tuxbrain | and it's over!!!! atben 100% yield , 135 bright and powerful tiny boards tested and filling my head with 2,4GHz waves!!! atusb not bad just 3 down so 117 totally operative (116 if the sugru thing fails) | 00:05 |
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wpwrak | whoohoo !! :) | 00:05 |
roh | nice. congrats. | 00:05 |
wpwrak | 100% yield for atben makes sense. it's quite simple and has no mechanical components at all. so the yield - if non-zero - should be very high | 00:07 |
wpwrak | atusb is more complex and has a mechanical component, hence more trouble | 00:08 |
roh | you mean the usb plug? | 00:08 |
tuxbrain | sugru:report, well now it pas the gpios but the spectrum still as low as before, I will test tomorrow night to see there is any improvement | 00:11 |
wpwrak | roh: yup. i was a bit worried about this one. it "snaps" in. far from ideal for SMT. | 00:11 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain: (sugru) good. so the surface has cured and is no longer conductive. but the core still is. it may still work. this kind of stuff usually cures at ~8 h/mm. | 00:13 |
tuxbrain | wpwrak: yeah, luckly the local smt fab are kind guys and had remove the anoying part of the panel, I'm sure in less considerated fabs, we will have a mess instad of a cool usb plug | 00:13 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain: you put about 2.5 mm. if we assume that the inside cures much more slowly, due to limited access to air, about 24 h would be the minimum until you can expect useful results | 00:14 |
tuxbrain | ok ok you know wait is not my strong point | 00:16 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain: (nice smt guys) weren't they in the loop when you discussed panelization with the PCB fab ? i thought they were. well, anyway the way the board was panelized, removing that part was easy. | 00:16 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain: (wait) it'll cure while you sleep ;-) | 00:16 |
tuxbrain | sleep? what's that? ah! the thing my family does when I'm working | 00:17 |
wpwrak | they must have enjoyed a few rather restful days :) | 00:18 |
tuxbrain | nah, my family also goes to the park while I'm working, my daughter goes to school while I'm working and my wife also enjoys tv while I'm working.... | 00:19 |
Action: tuxbrain feels soooo sad | 00:20 | |
wpwrak | so they figured out that it's a bad idea to try to sync with you ;-) | 00:20 |
wpwrak | why ? were you hoping for a few interesting failures to spend the rest of the night on analyzing ? ;-) | 00:21 |
tuxbrain | nah, this month is specially hard in workload (you also know some of the reasons) and I miss to spend time just sitting in the sofa or listening my daughter theories about live | 00:22 |
tuxbrain | with nothing else in the head | 00:23 |
tuxbrain | that's the worst part, even if I found 5mins to sit down, there is a lot of mess in the head | 00:23 |
tuxbrain | ok a lot money save on psiquiatrics thanks to IRC | 00:24 |
tuxbrain | I think the announce post will be rescheduled for tomorrow at some point, no enough stamina today | 00:25 |
tuxbrain | gonna sync with may family for 4 hours, tomorrow I need to look less an dungeon beast than I look now | 00:26 |
wpwrak | hehe ;-) | 00:26 |
wpwrak | the green PASS will haunt your dreams ;-) | 00:28 |
wpwrak | and the squiggly white snake in the red tunnel | 00:28 |
tuxbrain_PASS | aaaaargh no the dancing white line and the green dot!!! aaaaarg | 00:29 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain_PASS: for the next run, you should try the testing with psychedelic drugs. the repetitiveness and general strangeness of the setting ought to produce interesting effects ;-) | 00:30 |
tuxbrain_HxxHhzo | mmmm drugs.... so far in time and so ... not tuxbrain bad boy bad boy, not until june has pass by :P | 00:31 |
tuxbrain_HxxHhzo | PASS by | 00:31 |
Action: wpwrak should add audio indications to the testing process | 00:32 | |
tuxbrain_HxxHhzo | metal please :) | 00:32 |
tuxbrain_HxxHhzo | good night dude | 00:32 |
Action: DocScrutinizer giggles | 00:44 | |
DocScrutinizer | http://r33b.net | 00:44 |
wpwrak | ;-) | 00:47 |
qi-bot | The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06132011-0721/ | 01:42 |
wolfspraul | tuxbrain_away: for my atben/atusb order, do you have some stuff you need to ship back to Taipei? Maybe some returned nanos, or even more important, the jtag-serial pods from your m1 and hopefully the ones you got from h:d? | 02:12 |
wolfspraul | I would like to combine it all into one shipment you can send with a good courier... | 02:13 |
wolfspraul | I'll send you a mail :-) | 02:13 |
toenail | Hi, I have an Intel d915pcy Motherboard, and the front panel (in particular: the Firewire por) is not working. I've downoaded the manual and connected everything correct. | 02:15 |
toenail | I've also check Intel's site for a 1394 driver, and nothing. I also, updated the Bios software,and yet, nothing | 02:16 |
DocScrutinizer | shouldn't the channel's /topic be a *bit* more specific, and also have some URL to a relevant website? | 03:18 |
wpwrak | larsc: hmm, does 6960c45fc0eefbd9ae025fe35121e7eb4efd2bfb (in jz-2.6.38) have any known issues besides what you fixed in 7968eee8c23b92d5a6b064dc020f7397e6016421 ? | 03:18 |
wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer: yes, good point! | 03:19 |
wpwrak | larsc: i seem to have a regression (USB doesn't enumerate anymore) that points to this. not entirely sure yet, though | 03:19 |
DocScrutinizer | I mean, freenode users picking channels from chanlist based on what's in the /topic | 03:22 |
DocScrutinizer | so a bit more descriptive topic wouldn't really hurt | 03:22 |
wolfspraul | we need a super short explanation what copyleft hw is | 03:23 |
wolfspraul | "copyleft hardware is built out of free knowledge"? | 03:23 |
wpwrak | how about "HHHH0HzH.HxHxHHHh.oHzHH0HH" ? at least tuxbrain will find it exceedingly descriptive ;-) | 03:24 |
DocScrutinizer | keep in mind that most IRC clients allow searching chanlist incl topics by regex | 03:25 |
DocScrutinizer | so a few buzzwords would help as well | 03:25 |
wolfspraul | sure, like I said let's find something and change it | 03:26 |
DocScrutinizer | "hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote and other community driven hw projects" | 03:26 |
wolfspraul | sure why not. I need to find out how to change the topic... | 03:29 |
wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer: don't you have those topic-changing superpowers already? | 03:29 |
DocScrutinizer | sure | 03:33 |
DocScrutinizer | toss a text to c&p ;-) | 03:33 |
DocScrutinizer | it's "your" chan | 03:34 |
mth | wpwrak: this might fix the USB problem: https://github.com/mthuurne/opendingux-kernel/commit/e6ec57a4 | 03:34 |
wpwrak | mth: thanks ! now .. how do i cherry-pick this one ... | 03:37 |
DocScrutinizer | where's he gone? | 03:37 |
wpwrak | ah, google knows. as usual ;-) | 03:37 |
DocScrutinizer | lost while searching how to change topic? | 03:38 |
wpwrak | except that there doesn't seem to be a way to pick from a repository without cloning it. grmbl ... | 03:39 |
mth | as a last resort, you could copy-paste the diff and apply it | 03:39 |
wpwrak | sigh | 03:39 |
mth | the web page seems to be designed with that in mind: it doesn't select the line numbers | 03:39 |
DocScrutinizer | wpwrak: URL for topic? | 03:39 |
mth | a download link for the patch would be more useful though | 03:40 |
mth | wpwrak: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/usb.patch | 03:41 |
wpwrak | mth: thanks a lot ! | 03:42 |
wpwrak | whee ! there we ride again ! | 03:49 |
wpwrak | mth: works great, thanks a lot ! | 03:49 |
DocScrutinizer | still waiting for suggestions/critics about chan topic :-) | 04:17 |
qi-bot | [commit] kyak: Revert "config.full_system: add liballegro stuff into image (=y>, not as module (=m)" http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/07fdef0 | 05:10 |
rjeffries | DocScrutinizer the chan topic reads fine IMO | 05:21 |
DocScrutinizer | rjeffries: OK | 05:23 |
kyak | tuxbrain_away: huh? 5 minutes ago AtBEN-AtUSB Combo was 59 EUR | 05:29 |
kyak | now it is 50 EUR | 05:29 |
kyak | should i wait another 5 minutes? :) | 05:30 |
kyak | ah, 5 minutes ago i wasn't registered.. That's interesting | 05:30 |
tuxbrain_away | with vat without vat :) | 05:30 |
tuxbrain_away | due you are from out side of EU vat doesn't apply :) | 05:31 |
tuxbrain_away | Rusian and Southamerican people please wait until this night I update the shippin cost to you via fedex | 05:32 |
kyak | good | 05:32 |
kyak | i'll be waiting impatiently | 05:32 |
kyak | i'll be saving 9 euro, this makes be wanna buy two :) | 05:33 |
kyak | tuxbrain_away: how many did you produce? | 05:33 |
kyak | wpwrak: can one atusb handle two atben's simultaneously? | 05:35 |
kyak | wpwrak: and, can two atben's communicate between each other? | 05:36 |
wpwrak | kyak: yes. yes. | 05:37 |
kyak | good, good :) | 05:38 |
wpwrak | kyak: i'm not even sure where the maxium size of a PAN is. could be ~2^16 nodes. or maybe ~2^64. | 05:39 |
wpwrak | kyak: in any case, there are not enough atben/atusb in the world to overflow even a single PAN ;-) | 05:40 |
wpwrak | not are there ben, for that matter. including the ones still in wolfgang's warehouse :) | 05:40 |
kyak | there is even not enough living things on Earth to overflow it :) | 05:43 |
kyak | browsing tuxbrain's shop, i stumbled upon EFIKA MX Smartbook. It's interesting | 05:44 |
xiangfu | just read one news about JZ4770: ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/2soc/4770/JZ4770_ds.pdf | 06:27 |
xiangfu | 1Ghz, 65nm | 06:28 |
wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer: cool, you already changed the topic it seems! | 06:30 |
wolfspraul | we can also shorten it and remove the relatively meaningless 'time is on our side' meme | 06:30 |
DocScrutinizer | wolfspraul: like that? | 06:45 |
wolfspraul | he | 06:45 |
wolfspraul | how about you? | 06:45 |
wolfspraul | also remove the 'welcome and please ask your question...'? | 06:45 |
wolfspraul | a bit cheesy maybe | 06:45 |
wolfspraul | yeah | 06:45 |
wolfspraul | what do you think? | 06:45 |
DocScrutinizer | I think it's ok, maybe missing buzzwords like milkymist? | 06:46 |
wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot! | 06:46 |
DocScrutinizer | no problem | 06:46 |
wolfspraul | there's actually the #milkymist channel as well | 06:46 |
DocScrutinizer | ok | 06:46 |
wolfspraul | the overlap (or non-overlap) between #qi-hardware and #milkymist is not 100% clea | 06:46 |
wolfspraul | clear | 06:46 |
wolfspraul | which is OK I think | 06:46 |
wolfspraul | #qi-hardware for me remains about copylef hardware, manufacturing, etc. | 06:47 |
wolfspraul | #milkymist is definitely about the SoC, and then about Flickernoise (there is no separate flickernoise channel) | 06:47 |
wolfspraul | it's also about Milkymist One, the video synthesizer, although somewhere there on the manufacturing side it starts to become part of the qi project :-) | 06:48 |
wolfspraul | bottom line: no need to mention milkymist in the topic | 06:48 |
wolfspraul | I think what you have now is perfect | 06:48 |
dvdk | currently writing a slashdot submission for atben/atusb | 07:05 |
dvdk | wondering, what's the driver status? still much work to do? | 07:05 |
dvdk | (6lopan kernel drivers) | 07:06 |
wolfspraul | dvdk: oh nice! crossing my fingers that you have some genius ideas for the headline :-) | 07:39 |
wolfspraul | without speaking for Werner, I think on the driver side there is still a lot to do | 07:39 |
wolfspraul | to get all this clean and into kernel.org, I think that's a whole new effort, maybe comparable in size to where Werner and Tuxbrain got things today | 07:41 |
wolfspraul | Stefan Schmidt has signaled some support, which is encouraging. So maybe the Slashdot headline should be a call for participation? | 07:41 |
wolfspraul | but what's the catchiest way to describe why this is important... | 07:41 |
wolfspraul | 802.15.4? 6LoWPAN? why? | 07:42 |
dvdk | http://slashdot.org/submission/1648862/A-Free-and-Open-Replacement-for-Wireless-LAN | 07:51 |
dvdk | wolfspraul: sorry didn't catch your reply until it was submitted | 07:52 |
dvdk | anybody with slashdot accounts wish to mod it up? | 07:52 |
dvdk | but going into sw details would have been to verbose for a slashdot story anyways. | 07:53 |
wolfspraul | your headline gives a nice reason already | 07:53 |
dvdk | (low attention span of slashdot readers :) | 07:53 |
dvdk | the ben-wpan wiki page is pretty large. hopefully it can survive the slashdot effect | 07:54 |
dvdk | ouch. should have linked to a perma-link (i.e. dated version) of the page. | 07:54 |
dvdk | well, let's see how it goes. | 07:55 |
wolfspraul | I clicked on '+' - does this help? | 07:56 |
wolfspraul | 'replacement' is good, a bit radical like 'abuse' last time... | 07:56 |
wolfspraul | I somehow can't see any effect of me clicking on '+', even though I'm logged in with my account. | 07:57 |
dvdk | wolfspraul: the only effect is, that the '+' gets marked for you | 07:59 |
dvdk | maybe sd editors are going to see the number of '+' counts (but nobody else sees them) | 07:59 |
wolfspraul | ah I see | 08:01 |
dvdk | you prefer radical ? "Qi-hardware tries to killing propritary wlan" :) | 08:01 |
wolfspraul | well then | 08:01 |
wolfspraul | no no | 08:01 |
wolfspraul | :-) | 08:01 |
dvdk | *to kill | 08:01 |
wolfspraul | hold that back for later, ok? | 08:01 |
dvdk | always a question of audience, isn't it :) | 08:02 |
roh | hihi | 08:04 |
wolfspraul | hi | 08:06 |
DocScrutinizer | sold OM's bq27k kernel module to meego-arm | 09:44 |
DocScrutinizer | it's a pity how few of that stuff gone upstream. The effect is now other really crappy shit is occupying that niche | 09:45 |
DocScrutinizer | which basically means the good OM stuff will never aver make it upstream now | 09:45 |
DocScrutinizer | and eventually this will bite our ass for the local build, when crap comes back downstream and collides | 09:47 |
Action: DocScrutinizer curses OE | 09:48 | |
whitequark | the downstream of crap... | 09:52 |
wpwrak | (keeping a low profile) "revolutionary WPAN frees universe from the shackles of the Wifi-industrial complex, heralds new golden age" | 10:11 |
wpwrak | wolfspraul: (sw) yes, still a lot to do | 10:12 |
wpwrak | (checking the article ...) | 10:13 |
wpwrak | djvdk: "compatability" .. intentional ? someone once suggested "combatablity", because it's always a fight :) | 10:14 |
wpwrak | a number of capitalization errors, e.g., it'e 6LoWPAN. also, the capitalization of atben/atusb should be just that. (hmm, but i see where you got the bad precedent from :-( ) | 10:15 |
wpwrak | hmm, would have been good to wait a bit with the announcement until after cleaning up the (very messy) wiki page ... | 10:19 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain_away: and you didn't update the commercial description. ("24 kB used") | 10:19 |
dvdk | wpwrak: next time we should edit /. submission as a wiki page like community news :) | 10:23 |
dvdk | wrt spelling: just used copy-pasted, yeah 6LowPAN is a my mistake | 10:23 |
wpwrak | dvdk: yes, or at least have a quick review cycle | 10:23 |
dvdk | i thought: why review, if we can just re-submit over and over again? :) | 10:24 |
dvdk | everybod his/her own version of the story | 10:24 |
wpwrak | ;-)) | 10:24 |
wpwrak | oh dear ;-) | 10:24 |
DocScrutinizer | ok, nm. bq27k driver is upstream, according to our kernel hacker larsc | 10:28 |
qi-bot | [commit] Benson Leung: gpio-charger: Add gpio_charger_resume http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/0b8eee2 | 12:07 |
qi-bot | [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: udc http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/ef7f1fc | 12:07 |
qi-bot | [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix compile error http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/1c110d7 | 12:07 |
qi-bot | [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: MIPS: JZ4740: USB: Fix packet read/write functions. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/29cacc9 | 12:07 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230: move register and protocol definitions to header file http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/b213088 | 12:07 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: at86rf230: remove irq_disabled flag and clean up IRQ freeing http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/41fca64 | 12:07 |
wolfspraul | dvdk: I stole your text http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/announce/2011-June/000006.html | 12:09 |
wolfspraul | unfortunately I forgot to fix the line wrappings, oh well :-) | 12:09 |
wolfspraul | the power of copy/paste got me | 12:09 |
dvdk | wolfspraul: at least you fixed all the typos :) | 12:10 |
wpwrak | wolfspraul: hmm, should mention that this is with EU taxes. abroad, these come off. (and local ones get added) | 12:11 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain_away: would be nice if your shop always mentioned what price it's showing (e.g., "with 18% IVA - click here for non-EU prices" or "without taxes - click here for EU prices") | 12:14 |
wolfspraul | wpwrak: yes but I just wanted to get the news out asap, and if price comes down, even better | 12:15 |
wolfspraul | I should have seen the line wraps at least... | 12:15 |
wpwrak | wolfspraul: Jane will like the long line ;-) | 12:16 |
kristianpaul | wow, that anoucement was fast :-) | 13:56 |
kristianpaul | wpwrak: dirtpan support comunication between one or more atben/atusb ? | 16:04 |
wpwrak | kristianpaul: at the moment, it doesnt' support atusb because the kernel doesn't. but once that it solved, it will, yes. | 16:06 |
wpwrak | kristianpaul: in fact, it will support communication between any pairs of IEEE 802.15.4 devices that have a kernel driver | 16:07 |
qi-bot | [commit] David Kühling: cmake.mk: fix bogus values for FIND_ROOT_PATH_MODE_*; kept plplot from compiling http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e1cbfbf | 16:07 |
kristianpaul | oh, thats even better :-) | 16:07 |
kristianpaul | wpwrak: u mean atusb support will be in linux upstream? | 16:08 |
kristianpaul | that will be awesome | 16:08 |
wpwrak | kristianpaul: i can't make such a promise. but i'm working on getting the driver ready for merging in richard's usb skeleton. | 16:10 |
kristianpaul | ok | 16:11 |
rjeffries | wpwrak what do you think of this tool, for the money? | 18:05 |
rjeffries | http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?p=12722 | 18:05 |
GNUtoo | rjeffries, what about the FLOSS one? | 18:21 |
GNUtoo | from seed studio | 18:21 |
rjeffries | are the specs similar? | 18:22 |
GNUtoo | no idea | 18:22 |
rjeffries | ok | 18:22 |
GNUtoo | ah I don't find it anymore | 18:24 |
GNUtoo | hmmm but they seem to have that: | 18:25 |
GNUtoo | http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/logic-shrimp-v1-logic-analyzer-p-803.html?cPath=174&zenid=3f92a73ccc125357243d98479c0e88bf | 18:25 |
GNUtoo | no idea about the specs | 18:25 |
samgee | I just read the AtBEN announcement. Awesome news. Big thank you to wpwrak, tuxbrain_away and anyone else who made (and is still making) it happen. I hope we can support this work in gNewSenses soon. | 18:40 |
Jay7 | hm.. | 18:41 |
Jay7 | nice idea to use NN as wallet :) | 18:41 |
Jay7 | I'll prefer to have there OPIE/SKEY calculator and some secured storage | 18:42 |
Jay7 | and password generator (apg?) | 18:42 |
Jay7 | then we may position NN as banking e-token ;) | 18:43 |
Jay7 | connect it via USB, enter password and get access to your online banking :) | 18:43 |
Jay7 | $99 only :) | 18:43 |
Jay7 | iirc, e-tokens here are selled to customers about $50 | 18:44 |
Jay7 | comparable price :) | 18:44 |
DocScrutinizer | rjeffries: the ad gave me LULZ | 19:27 |
rjeffries | ok I do not know enough to judge | 19:27 |
DocScrutinizer | "gobbledigobble" "send it over!" "jokus pokus" "WUT??" | 19:27 |
kristianpaul | samgee: hey :-) | 19:28 |
kristianpaul | samgee: sure, i was about to point in gns, add support for atusb at least | 19:29 |
DocScrutinizer | rjeffries: I missed any pricetag for that 8ch-logprobe | 19:32 |
samgee | kristianpaul: it'd be nice if we could be early adopters for support, but probably not feasible in the short term. | 19:41 |
qwebirc625 | Hello! Does any of you know how could I get a nano-note here in Argentina? | 19:44 |
kristianpaul | well | 19:45 |
kristianpaul | may be wpwrak have some nanonote avaliable to sell? :-) | 19:46 |
kristianpaul | but in the wort case you have to order from sharism | 19:46 |
qwebirc625 | oh! Thanks a lot Kristian! | 20:09 |
qwebirc625 | great! | 20:09 |
qwebirc625 | (btw, Werner does not have any available to sell it :( ) | 20:09 |
qwebirc625 | then, Sharism | 20:10 |
wpwrak | (selling stuff) yup. argentine biz bureaucrazy is way too messy for me to get into. well, if there was demand for 1000+ units per month, maybe :) | 20:49 |
qi-bot | [commit] David Kühling: add icon and starter for ASE (aseprite) image/animation editor http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/31e1f3c | 21:13 |
qi-bot | [commit] David Kühling: ase: hack gui to emulate mouse via keyboard; change keymap to not interfere. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5c9e2b8 | 21:52 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain_away: any news on the sugru front ? pass or fail ? :) | 22:53 |
tuxbrain_away | I have let my already setup NN to victor to make pretty pics on NN , and I have other more urgent work to do than seting up a new NN to test the sugru thing, I will test as soon as my NN come back | 22:54 |
tuxbrain_away | pics on NN atben and atusb of course :) | 22:55 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain_away: (pis) great ! | 22:59 |
wpwrak | s/pis/piCs/ | 22:59 |
wpwrak | (pis being a particularly bad typo in spanish ;-) | 23:00 |
tuxbrain_away | yeah on first read before the typo correction I was thinking you where celebrating a great toilet achievement that want to share with me | 23:08 |
wpwrak | sometimes, right after them, the feel very much like worth celebrating. but no, i haven't thought of sharing my exploits on the throne here. maybe i should start a blog ;-) | 23:12 |
tuxbrain_away | nah a tweet or ident is just enough :P | 23:13 |
wpwrak | when did i go. how did it feel and sound. how was my weight difference. what had i eaten before. picture for premium subscribers. oh yes, i could see a nice business model ;-) | 23:13 |
wpwrak | you have to go with the times. nobody cares about technology these days. a quick fart joke, yes, that's more than enough intellectual challenge for a day ;-) | 23:15 |
tuxbrain_away | too much information dude (what is the emoticon for extremelly disgusting near to throw up) | 23:18 |
wpwrak | ;-)) | 23:33 |
tuxbrain_away | wpwrak: what was the aviable free mem? don't make me search on the list | 23:44 |
wpwrak | tuxbrain_away: alright, i searched it for you: http://pastebin.com/MnWG9Efw | 23:47 |
wpwrak | the relevant sentences are at the bottom :) | 23:48 |
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