#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2011-05-31

DocScrutinizer DocScrutinizer qi-bot that's been nice now 01:01 nightwalk 01:02 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: using color font http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b068aa0 01:05 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/42902ec 01:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6f6b4da 01:21 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf update to release_2011-05-28 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/de3017a 01:34 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf update to release_2011-05-28 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a64e41e 01:34 TZ=GMT-5 shoudl be right (for me america/bogota) 01:39 time.h.. 01:45 "TZ=PST8PDT" 0_o 01:46 I'm in "CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0" 01:49 what? 01:50 how i do get that from my system?.. 01:50 i just dont get all this rules.. 01:50 http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/OSGPS_chapter_6.pdf 01:51 ^ 01:51 I think I got the syntax either from the man page or from the POSIX spec 01:51 shit UTC-5 01:51 hmm 01:51 "M3.5.0" is the last Sunday of March, which is the start of summer time here 01:52 there is no summer here, i live in buga, colombia 01:52 it should simple set timing on this lands near to ecuador.. 01:52 it's weird that east is minus, usually this time zone is referred to as GMT+1 (winter) or GMT+2 (summer) 01:52 I think you only need the name and the GMT offset then 01:52 but "GMT-5" would define a new time zone named "GMT" which is 5 hours *ahead* of real GMT 01:53 i was using GMT-5 but wikipedia saids (UTC-5) 01:53 :/ 01:53 GMT and UTC are more or less the same 01:54 GMT is *not* the time in Greenich 01:54 that confused me for years 01:54 :o 01:54 anyway, for TZ if you are in GMT-5 you should specify +5 01:55 well i'll follow you, i dot get all this TZ rules.. 01:55 but osgps FAQ said i _must_ sure of my TX, so i want to be sure before jump to something else 01:56 s/TX/TZ 01:56 I think it should be like this: "TZ=COT+5" 01:59 why (+)? i tought we are behing of Greenich.. 02:06 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=453 02:07 and yes COT looks good 02:07 taipe is CST+13 02:07 ah. 02:07 wpwrak: What is your TZ? :-) 02:07 ART-3 ? 02:08 so what matters is offset it seems 02:09 kristianpaul: Hi have you saw my message about ramdisk? 02:10 xiangfu: that i should have 92Mb of heap, so some sort of that in the rtems file system? 02:10 yup, just dint tried copy all dat, let me bring the mm1 02:11 kristianpaul: for some reason the TZ format has the +/- direction opposite of everything else 02:11 sebastien think the 'ramdisk' is using the HEAP. so ramdisk is about ~92MB 02:11 kristianpaul: you can try to copy ~90M file to milkymist one :D 02:12 i think i already filled up /ramdisk one day playing with dd 02:13 also look this http://paste.debian.net/118458/ 02:13 i'll try again 02:13 minute 02:13 http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/file-system/rfs-20110315.tar.bz2 02:15 xiangfu: http://paste.debian.net/118459/ i already asked on #rtems just dint time yet to diguest all information 02:17 "The IMFS uses what ever heap space it can get" 02:17 /ramdisk uses IMFS 02:19 he rtems just crashed when trying to write 40Mb on /ramdisk :p 02:21 :P 02:23 phew flash is so slow.. and just writing 16Mb. 02:34 at 629.1 kB/s use network socket is not bad idea.. 02:48 xiangfu: osc in milkymist allow to send raw data from board  or just push? 02:49 hmm almost forgot, NFS ! 02:59 this outfit has similar goals vs. qi-hardware, but ARM focused. http://www.microbuilder.eu/home/About.aspx 03:17 if it's "ARM focused", it already cannot have 'similar goals' 03:22 either or. ARM is making proprietary licensed digital ICs. If that's not part of copyleft hardware there is no need for copyleft hardware. 03:23 is microbuilder's stuff freely licensed? maybe I can add them to the planet... 03:26 "PCB manufacturing -- even of prototypes -- isn't a business you really want to be in. It's very labour intensive, requires reasonably expensive equipment to produce repeatable results that correspond to modern fine-pitch parts, and involves a number of chemical processes." 03:30 tell that to Werner... 03:30 what is the license of their content, cannot find anything other than (c) microbuilder ... 03:30 "we do still use some commercial tools and software products simply because a little bit of money can sometimes go a long way in terms of productivity." 03:31 "All information on this website is provided strictly for information and entertainment purposes only" 0_o 03:31 ... enough 03:31 yeah :-) 03:31 I wish there were something like fedex, but using cargo ships instead of airplanes 03:33 wolfspraul they develop for ARM, Nanonote uses a proprietaty SOC from Ingenic. I was not promoting them, just mentioning that they have similar goals 03:34 so I want very good service on the sending and receiving end, but I want to take out the expensive airlift in exchange for a much slower but cheaper sea voyage 03:34 need to look around a little... 03:34 rjeffries: at least not same licesing goals.. 03:34 since you liked that one so much... ;) 03:34 just read this Engadget article which is interesting (to ME;) http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/29/linaro-and-samsung-roll-out-exynos-4210-based-origen-development/ 03:35 you are free to think that microbuilder and qi share 'similar goals' :-) 03:36 wolfspraul: cargo ships? how many devices are you going to ship? 03:36 reminds me that I need to spend some more time on faq/about/roadmap/goals pages in the wiki... 03:36 kristianpaul: nah, that's my point. I don't see cargo as 'thousands of something' 03:36 I want to ship 1 Ben NanoNote :-) 03:36 hum :-) 03:37 basically a new business. combine the speed and service level of fedex with cargo ships. why not? 03:37 surelly already exits. 03:37 ships nowadays means quite manual process on sending and receiving end 03:37 i was thinking in delivrer time 03:37 and when you go fedex/dhl etc. it's always airlifted (mostly, they do some ground service in the us, but no ships I think) 03:37 of course it will be slow 03:38 but another option, also much more eco friendly 03:38 pre order mm1-rc3 now to get it on august ! ;) 03:38 I just read an article today how the cargo ships are becoming slower now, because it's so much cheaper 03:38 Microbuilder license: This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. Use of this design should be attributed to: microBuilder.eu. 03:38 nah it's not that much 03:38 a lot of the cargo ship delay is because of manual/slow processes on sending and receiving side 03:38 rjeffries: url? is that for all content on their site? 03:38 so the cargo ships typically do 22-23 knots right now, but some new ones being optimized for 17 knots now, maybe even less later 03:39 saves up to 60% energy costs 03:39 that was on a board design I was looking at. look, they have their heart in the right area. they are not competing with you. 03:39 http://www.microbuilder.eu/Projects/LPC1114ReferenceDesign.aspx 03:39 that's actually cool. We can offset some of the slowness with better digital logistics, just start a 'stream' :-) 03:40 you should think a bit more about 'competing' in free projects 03:40 if there is a free project, it helps me 03:40 I can copy/paste 03:40 please compete with me 03:40 well, you tried with UBB :-) 03:40 no, microbuilder is disappointing to me 03:40 it is a free project they admit to using some proprietary tools 03:41 they need a bigger vision, bigger goals 03:41 proprietary tools will hold us down 03:41 they need to be replaced with free tools, for economic reasons (which you don't understand because you do so little manufacturing) 03:41 everybody does not have to shar your exact vision 03:41 proprietary digital ICs need to be replaced as well 03:41 ahh 03:41 are you saying now there are 'similar goals' or not? :-) 03:41 ben used proprietary tools. give me a break 03:41 you said 'similar goals', now you say "do not need to share exact vision" 03:42 kristianpaul: so let's see. let's say 20,000 km long distance voyage. 03:42 all I am saying is that particular outfit is running a little business that may be helpful to their customers, they sahre some DNAm yes. ;) 03:42 yes some pieces are nice! 03:42 but just not very ambitious I think, don't you agree? 03:43 I can include their blog in the planet, that's a start so we can learn about what's going on there 03:43 so we ag ree: there is one and only one Wolfgang Spraul. Is that a bug, or a feature> 03:43 they are biting off a small bite I agree but also feel it is useful 03:43 wolfspraul: if it arrives safe as with fedex, but i dont pay all tha money, plus i may save also in taxes, is an excenlent choice ! 03:44 the cc-by-sa is for the reference design 03:44 this page si interesting http://www.microbuilder.eu/home.aspx 03:44 I'm wondering about the license for tutorials, videos etc. they mention 03:44 kristianpaul: yes exactly 03:44 wait lemme do some math :-) (I'm learning from Werner) 03:45 sorry, here is correct URL http://riftlabs.com/2010/11/tools-for-the-lean-hardware-start-up/ 03:45 actually i was told once, some people here  buy cars from panama and send it to colombia/buenaventura port using cargo chips.. so may be this is not so uncomon. 03:45 but ben still not as big as car ;) 03:45 i saw all days, since child those containers saying china shipping :-) 03:46 the idea of a lean mean highly automated cargo ship service is interesting. but I think it already exists, no? 03:46 i think main issue will be pickup your stuff 03:47 the modulo is 20 ft or 40 ft container. then there is a labrith of guys who consolidate less than container loads into containers 03:47 1 knot = 1.852 km/hr, 17 knot = 31.484 km/h, 20.000 km / 31.484 = 635.24 hours = 26.4 days 03:47 well, may not since child, but before 2000 for sure :-) 03:48 airplane will do the same thing let's say in 24 hours 03:48 so that's 25 days slower 03:48 so what 03:48 hey, that 25 days toook a USPS first class mail order to delivre here 03:48 but yes, I need the kidn of service level fedex/ups/dhl have for me on the sending, receiving, customs agent, etc. end 03:48 from usa 03:49 not faxes to container terminal office and so on 03:49 thats another good point.. 03:49 if it's just an option "+25 days, -50 USD", that'd be cool 03:49 there is an opportunity in that space for sure 03:49 kristianpaul: my TZ is just ART :) (3 hours behind UTC) 06:04 (pcb manufacturing) grin :) 06:08 [commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb-flash: show avrdude progress output http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/cbd0fe5 06:33 wolfspraul: these are the other two major places that carried the /. story on ubb-vga: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/05/09/bitbang-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/ 07:15 wolfspraul: http://hackaday.com/2011/05/10/bit-banging-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/ 07:15 wolfspraul: ah, and victor doesn't think tuxbrain got any extra sales due to /. 07:16 that's hardly imaginable, victor doesn't know :-) 07:16 Tuxbrain ordered another 30 from me just a day or two into the slashdot coverage 07:17 ok, I will add those 2 links then, phew 07:18 btw, you can check the news again, I think that's it 07:18 I'm exhausted :-) 07:18 ah, it's actually victor saying david doens't think there were no additional sales. well, maybe he just forgot ;) 07:18 quote victor: "I ask David and answer is no, some more visits and some mail from interested person, but sales continue quite the same." 07:19 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-06-01 07:19 wolfspraul: do you think it will be possible to setup a mailinglist for jz47xx kernel development on the qi-hardware server? 07:19 sure of course 07:19 let me sneak in one more little item ... 07:19 I've changed some of your pics for better ones, as you said 07:19 added a nice entry about azonenberg (maybe check that for factual correctness) 07:19 added jane's colemak thing 07:20 ben-wpan production 07:20 reordered things a bit 07:20 larsc: what name do you want? 07:20 wolfspraul: jz47xx-kernel 07:21 not for 5x 6x? (just asking) 07:22 hm? 07:23 oh 07:24 :-) 07:24 too little sleep last night 07:24 no problem 07:24 hi 07:25 I have a DB9 6-button game controller from those DVD Players they sell in China. 07:25 and I was planning to connect it to a PC 07:25 what software do I need? do I still need to add a few components? 07:26 hello? 07:36 miko_mirane: wrong channel 07:38 where do I ask then? 07:38 Action: miko_mirane apologizes 07:38 wolfspraul: the latest news item just made it to the qi-hw list :) 07:41 (reading through the june news now ...) 07:44 wolfspraul: "We decided to market Milkymist One as a video synthesizer, not interactive VJ station as planned before." - no rationale ? e.g., a link to a posting announcing the change, or maybe an IRC discussion ? or was this decided completely behind closed doors ? 07:49 wolfspraul: no photos from rejon's event in montreal ? 07:51 [rejon's event] don't ask me 07:52 I haven't seen any picture until today, no 07:52 [behind closed doors], well that's a marketing change only (nothing changes on the technology), so by nature it's very subtle 07:53 rejon: ? 07:53 the genesis was that Sebastien had this realization when he wrote the Wikipedia article 07:53 something struck him 07:53 "hmm. maybe this _is_ a video synthesizer actually" 07:53 must have been something like that 07:53 not 'behind closed doors', but 'deep in his brain', yes 07:53 then I saw it, and I liked it, then I went to many other people to ask about their opinion, and all but one liked it better than 'interactive vj station' 07:54 heh ;-) but there must be *some* context, no ? even "this sounds better/clearer" would add a bit of rationale 07:54 this is about understanding 07:54 it's very subtle 07:54 go to a strange, explain what m1 is 07:55 hah, who's the black sheep ? :) 07:55 you can try 07:55 no there is no context 07:55 I think this was a realization that struck sebastien when he wrote the wikipedia article 07:55 probably when looking up links into the encyclopedia etc. 07:55 but since then I tried, and trust me "video synthesizer" works much better with many people to explain what m1 does 07:55 definitely far better than 'interactive vj station' 07:56 we can even say that and write "when writing the Wikipedia article, we realized that m1 is better described as a video synthesizer" :-) 07:56 actually it may not have happened exactly when writing that article, need to ask sebastien 07:57 but the key thing for me is that most people that know the product now like it better, that's why we're moving with that now 07:57 no no, i get the "subtle" bit. but you make the change for a reason. e.g., because you expect it sounds better, because it conveys the message better, because you found that the other name was trademarked, that it sounds like a four-letter word in kuru, whatever 07:57 because more people understand quicker what the product does 07:57 or their second question goes in the right direction, after hearing 'video synthesizer', whereas it goes into all sorts of crazy directions after hearing 'interactive vj station' 07:58 great. that's the tiny piece of information missing in that news item 07:58 [commit] kyak: husky: a bunch of tools for Fidonet http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3798ea 07:59 when we discussed this, xiangfu did a fun test. he googled for images with 'interactive vj station', and then 'video synthesizer' 07:59 for images, not for text 07:59 let me try again now :-) 08:00 yeah you can try and see yourself 08:00 "interactive vj station" seems pretty specific "milkymist one", nothing else :) 08:01 maybe you should add some more controls for version 2: http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/buchla/b200_2a.jpg 08:02 a 747 is nothing compared to that ;-) 08:02 :D 08:03 (compare to the price) milkymist one is nothing ;-) 08:07 hmm .... http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/fair_cvi/fair_cvi.htm 08:08 "The Fairlight CVI premiered in 1984/85, for around $6,500 USD" 08:08 ok I added some extra text about video synthesizer (first entry) 08:08 sure, there's a bit of a price difference, but ... 08:08 great. not sure the "second question" bit is useful, though. assumes a more specific context. 08:10 now, if there just was one with-camera effect as colorful as Torridtales3, Drunkenboat, Balkacid, or even Pshroomery, ... 08:13 the current stuff still has the aesthetics of a blurry thorax x-ray :-( 08:15 nitpicking: 4'' wafer or 4" wafer ? 08:16 nitpicking: student from X or student at X ? 08:16 hmm, i wonder whether the link to http://lists.milkymist.org/pipermail/devel-milkymist.org/2011-May/001516.html shouldn't also mention that the real information is in the attachment link, not the mail itself 08:20 the collage of ubb-vga pix sums it up prettily :) a bit space-grabbing, but nice :) 08:22 maybe then just link to attachment? 08:22 yeah, i would probably do that. sebastien's mail adds nearly zero context 08:23 wolfspraul: since you mention the MM1 wikipedia page, maybe also mention that kristianpaul has resurrected the Ben NanoNote page as well ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_NanoNote 08:27 looks good. since there's already so much stuff, maybe it would even be better to keep the ben-wpan production testing stuff for the july editition 08:30 wolfspraul: thanks 08:36 wolfspraul: would inclusion of VP8 support in mplayer also be newsworthy ? http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-April/007814.html 08:36 I can work it into that mplayer item 08:37 wpwrak: yes, let's move ben-wpan production to the next one, I'll add an entry in 07-01 already 08:39 i posted a few articles on testing tools back in april. but they also pop up on the "proper" documentation i just announced (well, except the "snake" game ;-), so they "migrate" implicitly 08:42 the mplayer item already mentions 'webm formats' 08:42 that's enough I think 08:42 ah, VP8 \in WebM, i see. perfect then 08:43 ubb-vga /. still needs the DP and hackaday links 08:44 wolfspraul: btw, did you notice that i parked the raw material from the dirtpan video on download ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/raw/ 08:48 wolfspraul: the original recording is some 320 MB, so in case you run out of disk space ... :) 08:49 didn't notice but it points to your scripts which in turn point to the raw stuff I think 08:49 yup, the README points to the raw material. just wanted to warn you about the little monster i dumped there 08:50 [commit] kyak: binkd: Fidonet mailer http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e7f7d81 09:17 can anyone suggest a good WiFi UART module? 09:55 I'd use SDIO ones, but they are exceptionally hard to find, and few have drivers for linux apparently 09:55 do you think such a beast even exists ? i've seen wifi-with-spi, but uart sounds uniquely rare 09:57 wpwrak: well, that's my only option 10:05 what do you think about http://www.datahunter.biz/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_70&products_id=188&zenid=133460206bd0b04188b06c1cb89beeba ? 10:07 controlled by AT commands, heh 10:08 the whole concept seems dubious ;-) 10:13 first of all, does it HAVE to be wifi ? or would any other wireless do, too ? you can cobble together an atben-analogue for a few dollars. (just reuse the atben design) 10:14 wpwrak: I think I'll eventually replicate the atben (it is one-layer, right?), but that's not the case 10:15 the whole point of the project is to connect to existing WiFi network 10:15 or maybe it's better to dump the idea and forget about that. 10:18 use a spi->usb adapter and a usb wifi stick 10:24 and gpio-bit-bang the spi bus ;) 10:25 larsc: that's... beaverly. 10:25 and power-wasting. usb is really bad when it comes to using energy 10:54 check out some zydas based chipsets. i've seen some wifi sticks woith 10:57 with an 'wifi finder' included. the finder was a 8051 connected via serial or spi 10:57 the chipset can be used via usb, serial and spi 10:57 whitequark: (atben) it's two layers. but still quite diy-able :) 11:03 larsc: in java ;-) 11:03 wpwrak: any vias? 11:15 roh: I've had a zd1211 dongle, but unfortunately it was fried out by reversed motherboard connector 11:18 so, are you saying that they have an usable UART interface? 11:18 (my board does not have SPI and bitbang imho is not an options 11:18 *option 11:18 whitequark: 56 vias on atben (the exact number depends on the board geometry/size - most of them are for RF) 11:21 whitequark: i know they got 3 interfaces and afaik (from my head) it was usb spi and serial. also there were 'some' documents avail. 11:22 but its not really a 'mobile' chipset, so it still eats lots of power 11:22 wpwrak: oh... I won't be able to do that manually 11:22 roh: I don't need it to be mobile. the device is wall-powered 11:23 atleast compared to 'for mobile phones'-chipsets 11:23 well, then go for the zydas 11:23 atleast i would try that. these ready-made wifi embedded solutions are really expensive 11:23 to be fair... maybe something like a openwrt-compatible wifi router is your solution. available from 25Euros its even comparedably cheap 11:24 roh: I need it to be quite compact. like a dongle. 11:25 i see. 11:25 well, thanks for the idea, I'll investigate it 11:25 whitequark: (doing it manually) i did. but it's less painful with a cnc drill, agrees :) 11:25 s/agrees/agreed/ 11:25 wpwrak: I'm going to make a CNC machine (they are waaaaay too expensive to buy) 11:26 one guy says he can do all the mechanic parts for ~$300 11:26 using printers/plotters/whatever 11:27 hm. our ball-screws were more expensive than that 11:27 ahem. ball-screws? what's that? 11:28 yeah, for USD 300 it may be a fragile thing 11:28 but i also never experienced backlash 11:28 whitequark: its a way to move the axis, while having no backlash 11:28 roh: yes, already found on wiki 11:28 backslash 11:29 irgh http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelgewindetrieb 11:29 wpwrak: I won't afford to buy for more than \$600 anyway 11:30 try getting used machines from people who care 11:30 hq tools like such machines are ok to reuse and refurbish 11:31 it's hard to find anyone like that in russia 11:31 sure? especially them should have shitloads of still working equipment around (mostly because it wasnt built to break) 11:32 well.. our mill iss from china 11:32 I wasn't been able to find 11:33 a copycat of a german mill from 15 years ago. 11:33 how expensive it was? 11:33 about 3.200E or so? 11:33 but including cnc electronics, drivers, big steppers etc. 11:33 uh, that's surely a lot 11:34 if you dont need to mill steel, something much less sturdy is making more sense. (and is faster) 11:34 130k roubles... 11:34 need to run. bbl 11:35 ok bye 11:36 whitequark: roh's mill is a bit of a monster. you should be able to find a decent tabletop model that can even do soft metals. for less than USD 2000 11:42 for reference, my MDX-15 has a list price of USD 3145 11:44 wpwrak: I'm somewhat like a student. that's still a lot for me 11:51 re 12:44 hi, 15:01 have local changes for openwrt-packages.git.  how do i commit now that everything went to 'trunk'? 15:01 hello 15:01 'git checkout origin/trunk' then commit? 15:01 it seems 15:01 let's try... 15:01 just make sure you're update with trunk first :-) 15:01 seems i need to stash first 15:02 i hate it: ONFLICT (delete/modify): liballegro/Makefile deleted in Updated upstream and modified in Stashed changes. Version Stashed changes of liballegro/Makefile left in tree 15:02 maybe i can commit anyway 15:03 i dont see stahs pratice with good eyes.. 15:03 but i'm still too ignorant about git land :-) 15:03 me to 15:04 s/to/too 15:04 now i see why patches still rule ;) 15:04 yeah, when juggling changes, i often  git diff >file; then revert, stash, or such, then re-apply the patch or parts of it 15:06 hmm, now i cannot push 15:06 i also cannot pull 15:07 You are not currently on a branch, so I cannot use any 15:07 'branch..merge' in your configuration file. 15:07 git branch says 15:07 * (no branch) 15:07 master 15:07 hum 15:07 that's why i asked.  i guess 'git checkout' was the wrong route? 15:07 git remote? 15:07 same thing has happened to me before 15:07 what's git remote? 15:07 show remote branaches or something remote :) 15:08 branches* 15:08 it just will show 15:08 git remote says 'origin' 15:08 git branch -a ? 15:09 yes works 15:09 so i should do 'get checkout remotes/origin/trunk'? 15:09 is the remote trunk there? 15:09 i think 15:09 git branch still says 'no branch' 15:10 how do i track the remote stuff in a local branch? is that what's missing? 15:10 just do git checkout trunk 15:11 it says 'Branch trunk set up to track remote branch trunk from origin. 15:11 ' 15:11 sounds good 15:11 git pull says 'up to date' 15:12 git push says 'error: failed to push some refs to 'git@projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages.git' 15:12 git push origin trunk? 15:12 it says 'everything up to date' 15:12 which is a lie i guess 15:13 ah, maybe i just lost all my local changes? 15:13 but you made changes in other branch 15:13 yes lost all my changes 15:13 or they are stashed sowmehre.. 15:13 because i wasn't on a branch? 15:13 no problem, have the file still open in emacs.  let's just save :) 15:13 but git dont let you change branch until commit or stash i think 15:14 okay, thats better ! 15:14 [commit] David Kühling: liballegro: fix fbdev driver, also package examples http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2e457ea 15:14 :) 15:15 kristianpaul: thanks for helping 15:15 bp 15:15 np* 15:15 wpwrak: indeed git diff is a must all time for me 15:16 when you make chahngesin other branch i think yoj commit then checkout trunk and merge then comiit and psuh 15:19 http://mimiandeunice.com/2011/05/31/locked-up-technology 15:24 1he 2i 3just 3discover 4colors 5!! 15:48 oh noez! 15:48 dvdk: git hardly ever truly loses anything. but it can hide things really well ;-) 16:06 kristianpaul: how pretty ! good boy. here's a rainbow-flavoured candy for you ;-) 16:08 lol 16:11 (hide) a 'git show hiden' is wellcome 16:12 hey, the freshmeat release announcement triggered an article in linux-magazine.de :) 16:14 http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Neue-Nanonote-Firmware-verbessert-Booten-und-Video 16:14 so this is what freshmeat is good for :) 16:14 s/linux-magazine.de/linux-magazin.de 16:15 nice, more werner fans comings ;) 16:16 same story on http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Nanonote-Firmware-bootet-schneller 16:16 wolfspraul: ^ might want to link that from the wiki 16:17 hi vladko 17:14 fusin_:hi 17:14 btw, my name is Vlad :P 17:14 twas da wrong fusin :P 17:14 Action: Fusin is the only one Fusin ;) 17:14 Fusin: lol 17:14 Action: kristianpaul wonder if there is a K&R for sockets 18:09 kristianpaul: beej's guide to network programming 18:15 yeah,checking it right now :-) 18:16 i think it's called "unix network programming" (http://www.unpbook.com/) 18:18 Action: kristianpaul likes the idea if X25 sockets ;) 18:26 s/if/of 18:26 hello everyone again 18:32 how do I create an openwrt package? 18:33 anybody here? 18:38 wpwrak possible application of your UBB VGA. ;) http://hackaday.com/2011/05/31/vga-testers-for-the-children/ 18:43 could anyone please help me make a openWRT package? 18:57 [commit] David Kühling: liballegro: enable alsa audio driver http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5845357 19:08 [commit] David Kühling: liballegro: enable alsa sound driver http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c4a2c82 19:16 [commit] David Kühling: Merge branch 'trunk' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c3be89f 19:16 [commit] Ayla: Moved all the data files (translations, skins...) to the "data" folder. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/47a4e5c 23:12 [commit] Ayla: Moved the pandora's "input.conf" file lying in the top directory to the pandora/data directory, replacing the previous (obsolete) one. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/34af938 23:12 [commit] Ayla: The ./configure will now accept the --enable-platform switch. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b646c33 23:12 --- Wed Jun 1 2011 00:00

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