#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2011-05-31

DocScrutinizerthat's been nice now01:01
DocScrutinizernightwalk01:02
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: using color font http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b068aa001:05
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/42902ec01:12
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6f6b4da01:21
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf update to release_2011-05-28 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/de3017a01:34
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf update to release_2011-05-28 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a64e41e01:34
kristianpaulTZ=GMT-5 shoudl be right (for me america/bogota)01:39
kristianpaultime.h..01:45
kristianpaul"TZ=PST8PDT" 0_o01:46
mthI'm in "CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0"01:49
kristianpaulwhat?01:50
kristianpaulhow i do get that from my system?..01:50
kristianpauli just dont get all this rules..01:50
kristianpaulhttp://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/OSGPS_chapter_6.pdf01:51
kristianpaul^01:51
mthI think I got the syntax either from the man page or from the POSIX spec01:51
kristianpaulshit UTC-5 01:51
kristianpaulhmm01:51
mth"M3.5.0" is the last Sunday of March, which is the start of summer time here01:52
kristianpaulthere is no summer here, i live in buga, colombia01:52
kristianpaulit should simple set timing on this lands near to ecuador..01:52
mthit's weird that east is minus, usually this time zone is referred to as GMT+1 (winter) or GMT+2 (summer)01:52
mthI think you only need the name and the GMT offset then01:52
mthbut "GMT-5" would define a new time zone named "GMT" which is 5 hours *ahead* of real GMT01:53
kristianpauli was using GMT-5 but wikipedia saids (UTC-5)01:53
kristianpaul:/01:53
mthGMT and UTC are more or less the same01:54
mthGMT is *not* the time in Greenich01:54
mththat confused me for years01:54
kristianpaul:o01:54
mthanyway, for TZ if you are in GMT-5 you should specify +501:55
kristianpaulwell i'll follow you, i dot get all this TZ rules..01:55
kristianpaulbut osgps FAQ said i _must_ sure of my TX, so i want to be sure before jump to something else01:56
kristianpauls/TX/TZ01:56
mthI think it should be like this: "TZ=COT+5"01:59
kristianpaulwhy (+)? i tought we are behing of Greenich..02:06
kristianpaulhttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=45302:07
kristianpauland yes COT looks good02:07
kristianpaultaipe is CST+1302:07
kristianpaulah.02:07
kristianpaulwpwrak: What is your TZ? :-)02:07
kristianpaulART-3 ?02:08
kristianpaulso what matters is offset it seems02:09
xiangfukristianpaul: Hi have you saw my message about ramdisk?02:10
kristianpaulxiangfu: that i should have 92Mb of heap, so some sort of that in the rtems file system?02:10
kristianpaulyup, just dint tried copy all dat, let me bring the mm102:11
mthkristianpaul: for some reason the TZ format has the +/- direction opposite of everything else02:11
xiangfusebastien think the 'ramdisk' is using the HEAP. so ramdisk is about ~92MB02:11
xiangfukristianpaul: you can try to copy ~90M file to milkymist one :D02:12
kristianpauli think i already filled up /ramdisk one day playing with dd02:13
kristianpaulalso look this http://paste.debian.net/118458/02:13
kristianpauli'll try again02:13
kristianpaulminute02:13
kristianpaulhttp://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/file-system/rfs-20110315.tar.bz202:15
kristianpaulxiangfu: http://paste.debian.net/118459/ i already asked on #rtems just dint time yet to diguest all information02:17
kristianpaul"The IMFS uses what ever heap space it can get"02:17
kristianpaul /ramdisk uses IMFS02:19
kristianpaulhe rtems just crashed when trying to write 40Mb on /ramdisk :p02:21
xiangfu:P02:23
kristianpaulphew flash is so slow.. and just writing 16Mb.02:34
kristianpaulat 629.1 kB/s use network socket is not bad idea..02:48
kristianpaulxiangfu: osc in milkymist allow to send raw data from board  or just push?02:49
kristianpaulhmm almost forgot, NFS !02:59
rjeffriesthis outfit has similar goals vs. qi-hardware, but ARM focused. http://www.microbuilder.eu/home/About.aspx03:17
wolfspraulif it's "ARM focused", it already cannot have 'similar goals'03:22
wolfsprauleither or. ARM is making proprietary licensed digital ICs. If that's not part of copyleft hardware there is no need for copyleft hardware.03:23
wolfspraulis microbuilder's stuff freely licensed? maybe I can add them to the planet...03:26
wolfspraul"PCB manufacturing -- even of prototypes -- isn't a business you really want to be in. It's very labour intensive, requires reasonably expensive equipment to produce repeatable results that correspond to modern fine-pitch parts, and involves a number of chemical processes."03:30
wolfspraultell that to Werner...03:30
wolfspraulwhat is the license of their content, cannot find anything other than (c) microbuilder ...03:30
wolfspraul"we do still use some commercial tools and software products simply because a little bit of money can sometimes go a long way in terms of productivity."03:31
kristianpaul"All information on this website is provided strictly for information and entertainment purposes only" 0_o03:31
wolfspraul... enough03:31
kristianpaulyeah :-)03:31
wolfspraulI wish there were something like fedex, but using cargo ships instead of airplanes03:33
rjeffrieswolfspraul they develop for ARM, Nanonote uses a proprietaty SOC from Ingenic. I was not promoting them, just mentioning that they have similar goals03:34
wolfspraulso I want very good service on the sending and receiving end, but I want to take out the expensive airlift in exchange for a much slower but cheaper sea voyage03:34
wolfspraulneed to look around a little...03:34
kristianpaulrjeffries: at least not same licesing goals..03:34
rjeffriessince you liked that one so much... ;)03:34
rjeffriesjust read this Engadget article which is interesting (to ME;) http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/29/linaro-and-samsung-roll-out-exynos-4210-based-origen-development/03:35
wolfspraulyou are free to think that microbuilder and qi share 'similar goals' :-)03:36
kristianpaulwolfspraul: cargo ships? how many devices are you going to ship?03:36
wolfspraulreminds me that I need to spend some more time on faq/about/roadmap/goals pages in the wiki...03:36
wolfspraulkristianpaul: nah, that's my point. I don't see cargo as 'thousands of something'03:36
wolfspraulI want to ship 1 Ben NanoNote :-)03:36
kristianpaulhum :-)03:37
wolfspraulbasically a new business. combine the speed and service level of fedex with cargo ships. why not?03:37
kristianpaulsurelly already exits.03:37
wolfspraulships nowadays means quite manual process on sending and receiving end03:37
kristianpauli was thinking in delivrer time03:37
wolfsprauland when you go fedex/dhl etc. it's always airlifted (mostly, they do some ground service in the us, but no ships I think)03:37
wolfspraulof course it will be slow03:38
wolfspraulbut another option, also much more eco friendly03:38
kristianpaulpre order mm1-rc3 now to get it on august ! ;)03:38
wolfspraulI just read an article today how the cargo ships are becoming slower now, because it's so much cheaper03:38
rjeffriesMicrobuilder license: This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. Use of this design should be attributed to: microBuilder.eu.03:38
wolfspraulnah it's not that much03:38
wolfspraula lot of the cargo ship delay is because of manual/slow processes on sending and receiving side03:38
wolfspraulrjeffries: url? is that for all content on their site?03:38
wolfspraulso the cargo ships typically do 22-23 knots right now, but some new ones being optimized for 17 knots now, maybe even less later03:39
wolfspraulsaves up to 60% energy costs03:39
rjeffriesthat was on a board design I was looking at. look, they have their heart in the right area. they are not competing with you.03:39
rjeffrieshttp://www.microbuilder.eu/Projects/LPC1114ReferenceDesign.aspx03:39
wolfspraulthat's actually cool. We can offset some of the slowness with better digital logistics, just start a 'stream' :-)03:40
wolfspraulyou should think a bit more about 'competing' in free projects03:40
wolfspraulif there is a free project, it helps me03:40
wolfspraulI can copy/paste03:40
wolfspraulplease compete with me03:40
wolfspraulwell, you tried with UBB :-)03:40
wolfspraulno, microbuilder is disappointing to me03:40
rjeffriesit is a free project they admit to using some proprietary tools03:41
wolfspraulthey need a bigger vision, bigger goals03:41
wolfspraulproprietary tools will hold us down03:41
wolfspraulthey need to be replaced with free tools, for economic reasons (which you don't understand because you do so little manufacturing)03:41
rjeffrieseverybody does not have to shar your exact vision03:41
wolfspraulproprietary digital ICs need to be replaced as well03:41
wolfspraulahh03:41
wolfspraulare you saying now there are 'similar goals' or not? :-)03:41
rjeffriesben used proprietary tools. give me a break03:41
wolfspraulyou said 'similar goals', now you say "do not need to share exact vision"03:42
wolfspraulkristianpaul: so let's see. let's say 20,000 km long distance voyage.03:42
rjeffriesall I am saying is that particular outfit is running a little business that may be helpful to their customers, they sahre some DNAm yes. ;)03:42
wolfspraulyes some pieces are nice!03:42
wolfspraulbut just not very ambitious I think, don't you agree?03:43
wolfspraulI can include their blog in the planet, that's a start so we can learn about what's going on there03:43
rjeffriesso we ag ree: there is one and only one Wolfgang Spraul. Is that a bug, or a feature> <smile>03:43
rjeffriesthey are biting off a small bite I agree but also feel it is useful03:43
kristianpaulwolfspraul: if it arrives safe as with fedex, but i dont pay all tha money, plus i may save also in taxes, is an excenlent choice !03:44
wolfspraulthe cc-by-sa is for the reference design03:44
rjeffriesthis page si interesting http://www.microbuilder.eu/home.aspx03:44
wolfspraulI'm wondering about the license for tutorials, videos etc. they mention03:44
wolfspraulkristianpaul: yes exactly03:44
wolfspraulwait lemme do some math :-) (I'm learning from Werner)03:45
rjeffriessorry, here is correct URL http://riftlabs.com/2010/11/tools-for-the-lean-hardware-start-up/03:45
kristianpaulactually i was told once, some people here  buy cars from panama and send it to colombia/buenaventura port using cargo chips.. so may be this is not so uncomon.03:45
kristianpaulbut ben still not as big as car ;)03:45
kristianpauli saw all days, since child those containers saying china shipping :-)03:46
rjeffriesthe idea of a lean mean highly automated cargo ship service is interesting. but I think it already exists, no?03:46
kristianpauli think main issue will be pickup your stuff03:47
rjeffriesthe modulo is 20 ft or 40 ft container. then there is a labrith of guys who consolidate less than container loads into containers03:47
wolfspraul1 knot = 1.852 km/hr, 17 knot = 31.484 km/h, 20.000 km / 31.484 = 635.24 hours = 26.4 days03:47
kristianpaulwell, may not since child, but before 2000 for sure :-)03:48
wolfspraulairplane will do the same thing let's say in 24 hours03:48
wolfspraulso that's 25 days slower03:48
wolfspraulso what03:48
kristianpaulhey, that 25 days toook a USPS first class mail order to delivre here03:48
wolfspraulbut yes, I need the kidn of service level fedex/ups/dhl have for me on the sending, receiving, customs agent, etc. end03:48
kristianpaulfrom usa03:49
wolfspraulnot faxes to container terminal office and so on03:49
kristianpaulthats another good point..03:49
wolfspraulif it's just an option "+25 days, -50 USD", that'd be cool03:49
rjeffriesthere is an opportunity in that space for sure03:49
wpwrakkristianpaul: my TZ is just ART :) (3 hours behind UTC)06:04
wpwrak(pcb manufacturing) grin :)06:08
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb-flash: show avrdude progress output http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/cbd0fe506:33
wpwrakwolfspraul: these are the other two major places that carried the /. story on ubb-vga: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/05/09/bitbang-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/07:15
wpwrakwolfspraul: http://hackaday.com/2011/05/10/bit-banging-vga-from-an-sd-card-slot/07:15
wpwrakwolfspraul: ah, and victor doesn't think tuxbrain got any extra sales due to /.07:16
wolfspraulthat's hardly imaginable, victor doesn't know :-)07:16
wolfspraulTuxbrain ordered another 30 from me just a day or two into the slashdot coverage07:17
wolfspraulok, I will add those 2 links then, phew07:18
wolfspraulbtw, you can check the news again, I think that's it07:18
wolfspraulI'm exhausted :-)07:18
wpwrakah, it's actually victor saying david doens't think there were no additional sales. well, maybe he just forgot ;)07:18
wpwrakquote victor: "I ask David and answer is no, some more visits and some mail from interested person, but sales continue quite the same."07:19
wolfspraulhttp://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-06-0107:19
larscwolfspraul: do you think it will be possible to setup a mailinglist for jz47xx kernel development on the qi-hardware server?07:19
wolfspraulsure of course07:19
wpwraklet me sneak in one more little item ...07:19
wolfspraulI've changed some of your pics for better ones, as you said07:19
wolfsprauladded a nice entry about azonenberg (maybe check that for factual correctness)07:19
wolfsprauladded jane's colemak thing07:20
wolfspraulben-wpan production07:20
wolfspraulreordered things a bit07:20
wolfspraullarsc: what name do you want?07:20
larscwolfspraul: jz47xx-kernel07:21
wolfspraulnot for 5x 6x? (just asking)07:22
larschm?07:23
wolfsprauloh07:24
wolfspraul:-)07:24
wolfspraultoo little sleep last night07:24
larscno problem07:24
miko_miranehi07:25
miko_miraneI have a DB9 6-button game controller from those DVD Players they sell in China.07:25
miko_miraneand I was planning to connect it to a PC07:25
miko_miranewhat software do I need? do I still need to add a few components?07:26
miko_miranehello?07:36
kyakmiko_mirane: wrong channel07:38
miko_miranewhere do I ask then?07:38
Action: miko_mirane apologizes07:38
wpwrakwolfspraul: the latest news item just made it to the qi-hw list :)07:41
wpwrak(reading through the june news now ...)07:44
wpwrakwolfspraul: "We decided to market Milkymist One as a video synthesizer, not interactive VJ station as planned before." - no rationale ? e.g., a link to a posting announcing the change, or maybe an IRC discussion ? or was this decided completely behind closed doors ?07:49
wpwrakwolfspraul: no photos from rejon's event in montreal ?07:51
wolfspraul[rejon's event] don't ask me07:52
wolfspraulI haven't seen any picture until today, no07:52
wolfspraul[behind closed doors], well that's a marketing change only (nothing changes on the technology), so by nature it's very subtle07:53
wpwrakrejon: ?07:53
wolfspraulthe genesis was that Sebastien had this realization when he wrote the Wikipedia article07:53
wolfspraulsomething struck him07:53
wolfspraul"hmm. maybe this _is_ a video synthesizer actually"07:53
wolfspraulmust have been something like that07:53
wolfspraulnot 'behind closed doors', but 'deep in his brain', yes07:53
wolfspraulthen I saw it, and I liked it, then I went to many other people to ask about their opinion, and all but one liked it better than 'interactive vj station'07:54
wpwrakheh ;-) but there must be *some* context, no ? even "this sounds better/clearer" would add a bit of rationale07:54
wolfspraulthis is about understanding07:54
wolfspraulit's very subtle07:54
wolfspraulgo to a strange, explain what m1 is07:55
wpwrakhah, who's the black sheep ? :)07:55
wolfspraulyou can try07:55
wolfspraulno there is no context07:55
wolfspraulI think this was a realization that struck sebastien when he wrote the wikipedia article07:55
wolfspraulprobably when looking up links into the encyclopedia etc.07:55
wolfspraulbut since then I tried, and trust me "video synthesizer" works much better with many people to explain what m1 does07:55
wolfsprauldefinitely far better than 'interactive vj station'07:56
wolfspraulwe can even say that and write "when writing the Wikipedia article, we realized that m1 is better described as a video synthesizer" :-)07:56
wolfspraulactually it may not have happened exactly when writing that article, need to ask sebastien07:57
wolfspraulbut the key thing for me is that most people that know the product now like it better, that's why we're moving with that now07:57
wpwrakno no, i get the "subtle" bit. but you make the change for a reason. e.g., because you expect it sounds better, because it conveys the message better, because you found that the other name was trademarked, that it sounds like a four-letter word in kuru, whatever07:57
wolfspraulbecause more people understand quicker what the product does07:57
wolfspraulor their second question goes in the right direction, after hearing 'video synthesizer', whereas it goes into all sorts of crazy directions after hearing 'interactive vj station'07:58
wpwrakgreat. that's the tiny piece of information missing in that news item07:58
qi-bot[commit] kyak: husky: a bunch of tools for Fidonet http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3798ea07:59
wolfspraulwhen we discussed this, xiangfu did a fun test. he googled for images with 'interactive vj station', and then 'video synthesizer'07:59
wolfspraulfor images, not for text07:59
wolfspraullet me try again now :-)08:00
wolfspraulyeah you can try and see yourself08:00
wpwrak"interactive vj station" seems pretty specific "milkymist one", nothing else :)08:01
wpwrakmaybe you should add some more controls for version 2: http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/buchla/b200_2a.jpg08:02
wpwraka 747 is nothing compared to that ;-)08:02
xiangfu:D08:03
xiangfu(compare to the price) milkymist one is nothing ;-)08:07
wpwrakhmm .... http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/fair_cvi/fair_cvi.htm08:08
wpwrak"The Fairlight CVI premiered in 1984/85, for around $6,500 USD"08:08
wolfspraulok I added some extra text about video synthesizer (first entry)08:08
wpwraksure, there's a bit of a price difference, but ...08:08
wpwrakgreat. not sure the "second question" bit is useful, though. assumes a more specific context.08:10
wpwraknow, if there just was one with-camera effect as colorful as Torridtales3, Drunkenboat, Balkacid, or even Pshroomery, ...08:13
wpwrakthe current stuff still has the aesthetics of a blurry thorax x-ray :-(08:15
wpwraknitpicking: 4'' wafer  or  4" wafer  ?08:16
wpwraknitpicking: student from X or student at X ?08:16
wpwrakhmm, i wonder whether the link to http://lists.milkymist.org/pipermail/devel-milkymist.org/2011-May/001516.html shouldn't also mention that the real information is in the attachment link, not the mail itself08:20
wpwrakthe collage of ubb-vga pix sums it up prettily :) a bit space-grabbing, but nice :)08:22
whitequarkmaybe then just link to attachment?08:22
wpwrakyeah, i would probably do that. sebastien's mail adds nearly zero context08:23
wpwrakwolfspraul: since you mention the MM1 wikipedia page, maybe also mention that kristianpaul has resurrected the Ben NanoNote page as well ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_NanoNote08:27
wpwraklooks good. since there's already so much stuff, maybe it would even be better to keep the ben-wpan production testing stuff for the july editition08:30
larscwolfspraul: thanks08:36
wpwrakwolfspraul: would inclusion of VP8 support in mplayer also be newsworthy ? http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-April/007814.html08:36
wolfspraulI can work it into that mplayer item08:37
wolfspraulwpwrak: yes, let's move ben-wpan production to the next one, I'll add an entry in 07-01 already08:39
wpwraki posted a few articles on testing tools back in april. but they also pop up on the "proper" documentation i just announced (well, except the "snake" game ;-), so they "migrate" implicitly08:42
wolfspraulthe mplayer item already mentions 'webm formats'08:42
wolfspraulthat's enough I think08:42
wpwrakah, VP8 \in WebM, i see. perfect then08:43
wpwrakubb-vga /. still needs the DP and hackaday links08:44
wpwrakwolfspraul: btw, did you notice that i parked the raw material from the dirtpan video on download ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/tmp/raw/08:48
wpwrakwolfspraul: the original recording is some 320 MB, so in case you run out of disk space ... :)08:49
wolfsprauldidn't notice but it points to your scripts which in turn point to the raw stuff I think08:49
wpwrakyup, the README points to the raw material. just wanted to warn you about the little monster i dumped there08:50
qi-bot[commit] kyak: binkd: Fidonet mailer http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e7f7d8109:17
whitequarkcan anyone suggest a good WiFi UART module?09:55
whitequarkI'd use SDIO ones, but they are exceptionally hard to find, and few have drivers for linux apparently09:55
wpwrakdo you think such a beast even exists ? i've seen wifi-with-spi, but uart sounds uniquely rare09:57
whitequarkwpwrak: well, that's my only option10:05
whitequarkwhat do you think about http://www.datahunter.biz/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_70&products_id=188&zenid=133460206bd0b04188b06c1cb89beeba ?10:07
whitequarkcontrolled by AT commands, heh10:08
wpwrakthe whole concept seems dubious ;-)10:13
wpwrakfirst of all, does it HAVE to be wifi ? or would any other wireless do, too ? you can cobble together an atben-analogue for a few dollars. (just reuse the atben design)10:14
whitequarkwpwrak: I think I'll eventually replicate the atben (it is one-layer, right?), but that's not the case10:15
whitequarkthe whole point of the project is to connect to existing WiFi network10:15
whitequarkor maybe it's better to dump the idea and forget about that.10:18
larscuse a spi->usb adapter and a usb wifi stick10:24
larscand gpio-bit-bang the spi bus ;)10:25
whitequarklarsc: that's... beaverly.10:25
rohand power-wasting. usb is really bad when it comes to using energy10:54
rohcheck out some zydas based chipsets. i've seen some wifi sticks woith10:57
rohwith an 'wifi finder' included. the finder was a 8051 connected via serial or spi10:57
rohthe chipset can be used via usb, serial and spi10:57
wpwrakwhitequark: (atben) it's two layers. but still quite diy-able :)11:03
wpwraklarsc: in java ;-)11:03
whitequarkwpwrak: any vias?11:15
whitequarkroh: I've had a zd1211 dongle, but unfortunately it was fried out by reversed motherboard connector11:18
whitequarkso, are you saying that they have an usable UART interface?11:18
whitequark(my board does not have SPI and bitbang imho is not an options11:18
whitequark*option11:18
wpwrakwhitequark: 56 vias on atben (the exact number depends on the board geometry/size - most of them are for RF)11:21
rohwhitequark: i know they got 3 interfaces and afaik (from my head) it was usb spi and serial. also there were 'some' documents avail.11:22
rohbut its not really a 'mobile' chipset, so it still eats lots of power11:22
whitequarkwpwrak: oh... I won't be able to do that manually11:22
whitequarkroh: I don't need it to be mobile. the device is wall-powered11:23
rohatleast compared to 'for mobile phones'-chipsets11:23
rohwell, then go for the zydas11:23
rohatleast i would try that. these ready-made wifi embedded solutions are really expensive11:23
rohto be fair... maybe something like a openwrt-compatible wifi router is your solution. available from 25Euros its even comparedably cheap11:24
whitequarkroh: I need it to be quite compact. like a dongle.11:25
rohi see.11:25
whitequarkwell, thanks for the idea, I'll investigate it11:25
wpwrakwhitequark: (doing it manually) i did. but it's less painful with a cnc drill, agrees :)11:25
wpwraks/agrees/agreed/11:25
whitequarkwpwrak: I'm going to make a CNC machine (they are waaaaay too expensive to buy)11:26
whitequarkone guy says he can do all the mechanic parts for ~$30011:26
whitequarkusing printers/plotters/whatever11:27
rohhm. our ball-screws were more expensive than that11:27
whitequarkahem. ball-screws? what's that?11:28
wpwrakyeah, for USD 300 it may be a fragile thing11:28
rohbut i also never experienced backlash11:28
rohwhitequark: its a way to move the axis, while having no backlash11:28
whitequarkroh: yes, already found on wiki11:28
rohbackslash11:29
rohirgh http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelgewindetrieb11:29
whitequarkwpwrak: I won't afford to buy for more than $600 anyway11:30
rohtry getting used machines from people who care11:30
rohhq tools like such machines are ok to reuse and refurbish11:31
whitequarkit's hard to find anyone like that in russia11:31
rohsure? especially them should have shitloads of still working equipment around (mostly because it wasnt built to break)11:32
rohwell.. our mill iss from china11:32
whitequarkI wasn't been able to find11:33
roha copycat of a german mill from 15 years ago.11:33
whitequarkhow expensive it was?11:33
rohabout 3.200E or so?11:33
rohbut including cnc electronics, drivers, big steppers etc.11:33
whitequarkuh, that's surely a lot11:34
rohif you dont need to mill steel, something much less sturdy is making more sense. (and is faster)11:34
whitequark130k roubles...11:34
rohneed to run. bbl11:35
whitequarkok bye11:36
wpwrakwhitequark: roh's mill is a bit of a monster. you should be able to find a decent tabletop model that can even do soft metals. for less than USD 200011:42
wpwrakfor reference, my MDX-15 has a list price of USD 314511:44
whitequarkwpwrak: I'm somewhat like a student. that's still a lot for me11:51
rohre12:44
dvdkhi,15:01
dvdkhave local changes for openwrt-packages.git.  how do i commit now that everything went to 'trunk'?15:01
kristianpaulhello15:01
dvdk'git checkout origin/trunk' then commit?15:01
kristianpaulit seems15:01
dvdklet's try...15:01
kristianpauljust make sure you're update with trunk first :-)15:01
dvdkseems i need to stash first15:02
dvdki hate it: ONFLICT (delete/modify): liballegro/Makefile deleted in Updated upstream and modified in Stashed changes. Version Stashed changes of liballegro/Makefile left in tree15:02
dvdkmaybe i can commit anyway15:03
kristianpauli dont see stahs pratice with good eyes..15:03
kristianpaulbut i'm still too ignorant about git land :-)15:03
dvdkme to15:04
dvdks/to/too15:04
kristianpaulnow i see why patches still rule ;)15:04
wpwrakyeah, when juggling changes, i often  git diff >file; then revert, stash, or such, then re-apply the patch or parts of it15:06
dvdkhmm, now i cannot push15:06
dvdki also cannot pull15:07
dvdkYou are not currently on a branch, so I cannot use any15:07
dvdk'branch.<branchname>.merge' in your configuration file.15:07
dvdkgit branch says15:07
dvdk* (no branch)15:07
dvdk  master15:07
kristianpaulhum15:07
dvdkthat's why i asked.  i guess 'git checkout' was the wrong route?15:07
kristianpaulgit remote?15:07
dvdksame thing has happened to me before15:07
dvdkwhat's git remote?15:07
kristianpaulshow remote branaches or something remote :)15:08
kristianpaulbranches*15:08
kristianpaulit just will show15:08
dvdkgit remote says 'origin'15:08
kristianpaulgit branch -a ?15:09
dvdkyes works15:09
dvdkso i should do 'get checkout remotes/origin/trunk'?15:09
kristianpaulis the remote trunk there?15:09
kristianpauli think15:09
dvdkgit branch still says 'no branch'15:10
dvdkhow do i track the remote stuff in a local branch? is that what's missing?15:10
kristianpauljust do git checkout trunk15:11
dvdkit says 'Branch trunk set up to track remote branch trunk from origin.15:11
dvdk'15:11
dvdksounds good15:11
dvdkgit pull says 'up to date'15:12
dvdkgit push says 'error: failed to push some refs to 'git@projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages.git'15:12
kristianpaulgit push origin trunk?15:12
dvdkit says 'everything up to date'15:12
dvdkwhich is a lie i guess15:13
dvdkah, maybe i just lost all my local changes?15:13
kristianpaulbut you made changes in other branch15:13
dvdkyes lost all my changes15:13
kristianpaulor they are stashed sowmehre..15:13
dvdkbecause i wasn't on a branch?15:13
dvdkno problem, have the file still open in emacs.  let's just save :)15:13
kristianpaulbut git dont let you change branch until commit or stash i think15:14
kristianpaulokay, thats better !15:14
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: liballegro: fix fbdev driver, also package examples http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2e457ea15:14
dvdk:)15:15
dvdkkristianpaul: thanks for helping15:15
kristianpaulbp15:15
kristianpaulnp*15:15
kristianpaulwpwrak: indeed git diff is a must all time for me15:16
kristianpaulwhen you make chahngesin other branch i think yoj commit then checkout trunk and merge then comiit and psuh15:19
kristianpaulhttp://mimiandeunice.com/2011/05/31/locked-up-technology15:24
kristianpaul1he 2i 3just 3discover 4colors 5!!15:48
larscoh noez!15:48
wpwrakdvdk: git hardly ever truly loses anything. but it can hide things really well ;-)16:06
wpwrakkristianpaul: how pretty ! good boy. here's a rainbow-flavoured candy for you ;-)16:08
kristianpaullol16:11
kristianpaul(hide) a 'git show hiden' is wellcome16:12
dvdkhey, the freshmeat release announcement triggered an article in linux-magazine.de :)16:14
dvdkhttp://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Neue-Nanonote-Firmware-verbessert-Booten-und-Video16:14
dvdkso this is what freshmeat is good for :)16:14
dvdks/linux-magazine.de/linux-magazin.de16:15
kristianpaulnice, more werner fans comings ;)16:16
dvdksame story on http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Nanonote-Firmware-bootet-schneller16:16
dvdkwolfspraul: ^ might want to link that from the wiki16:17
fusin_hi vladko17:14
vladkorotnevfusin_:hi17:14
vladkorotnevbtw, my name is Vlad :P17:14
Fusintwas da wrong fusin :P17:14
Action: Fusin is the only one Fusin ;)17:14
vladkorotnevFusin: lol17:14
Action: kristianpaul wonder if there is a K&R for sockets18:09
larsckristianpaul: beej's guide to network programming18:15
kristianpaulyeah,checking it right now :-)18:16
kyaki think it's called "unix network programming" (http://www.unpbook.com/)18:18
Action: kristianpaul likes the idea if X25 sockets ;)18:26
kristianpauls/if/of18:26
vladkorotnevhello everyone again18:32
vladkorotnevhow do I create an openwrt package?18:33
vladkorotnevanybody here?18:38
rjeffrieswpwrak possible application of your UBB VGA. ;) http://hackaday.com/2011/05/31/vga-testers-for-the-children/18:43
vladkorotnevcould anyone please help me make a openWRT package?18:57
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: liballegro: enable alsa audio driver http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/584535719:08
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: liballegro: enable alsa sound driver http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c4a2c8219:16
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: Merge branch 'trunk' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c3be89f19:16
qi-bot[commit] Ayla: Moved all the data files (translations, skins...) to the "data" folder. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/47a4e5c23:12
qi-bot[commit] Ayla: Moved the pandora's "input.conf" file lying in the top directory to the pandora/data directory, replacing the previous (obsolete) one. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/34af93823:12
qi-bot[commit] Ayla: The ./configure will now accept the --enable-platform switch. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b646c3323:12
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