#qi-hardware IRC log for Tuesday, 2011-05-24

vladkorotnevhello everyone :P is there any program to listen to XM, IT, MOD and other module files for the Ben NanoNote?03:12
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: [nanonote-files] reflash_ben.sh: fix -d using correct path http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cb0fb3603:21
Last message repeated 1 time(s).03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gcc-mips: prepare for trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e12038a03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: alsa-lib: no need for this patch in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5d9fb4f03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ncursesw is perfectly fine in openwrt trunk, no need to override http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2a9d88c03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: triggersad is now happy again! http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a58784703:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: guile: fix compilation in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/bd0dd2e03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gnuplot-gfx: fix compilation issue in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/db5ca7603:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ben-cyrillic: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/94156cd03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: keymouse: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6c1f1bd03:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ks7010: support kernel > 2.6.35 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/da6e34603:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: busybox in trunk has changed some unicode options http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/11d443503:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: libpurple: initial port http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/57d4eb803:40
qi-bot[commit] kyak: centerim5: initial port http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e4daa3803:40
xiangfukyak, Hi03:41
xiangfukyak, will send you an email about the commit on openwrt-package trunk. 03:43
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: [nanonote-files] reflash_ben.sh: update version to 2011-05-22 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cdd70d203:47
xiangfuhttp://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-May/008060.html 04:44
xiangfuOpenWrt Release: for stable 2011-05-2204:44
larscwhitequark: not on the jz47xx branch05:11
qi-bot[commit] kyak: alsa-lib: no need for this patch in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/09d5d0206:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ncursesw is perfectly fine in openwrt trunk, no need to override http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1d1796506:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: triggersad is now happy again! http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ed4867906:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: guile: fix compilation in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ec6b1e706:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gnuplot-gfx: fix compilation issue in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/17d05bb06:08
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: mplayer_jz47xx: upgrade to 0.1.5 version that supports /proc/<pid>/pagemap http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/36bcb9e06:08
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: mplayer_jz47xx: fix md5-sum for updated version http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f342c3b06:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: update ffmpeg to a working git revision http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/71d83e906:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ben-cyrillic: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/38ada8f06:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: keymouse: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/3c53b0906:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ks7010: support kernel > 2.6.35 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/822e1e006:08
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: emacs: make programming language comments colored by default http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/32e4ab806:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config.full_system: disable busybox's strings, enable binutils and http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/05e950306:08
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cd2b5dc06:08
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2a5cc3106:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: busybox in trunk has changed some unicode options http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ef1173e06:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: libpurple: initial port http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0cde87606:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: centerim5: initial port http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d04c52906:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: Merge branch 'master' into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ad8ac9906:08
qi-bot[commit] kyak: Merge branch 'trunk' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages into trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1e52ad606:08
kyakxiangfu: hm, i don't understand.. after i did git pull, i got 21 commits ahead of trunk?...06:08
xiangfukyak, I rebase the trunk branch, for get some last commit from 'master'06:09
xiangfuI guess there is a 'git merge master' in your local git06:10
kyakxiangfu: what's the difference between rebasing and merging? I think the history is lost during rebase.. So we should merge06:10
kyakxiangfu: btw, i answered you e-mail06:10
xiangfurebaseing: is try to apply the pathes on top of another branch. if there are same commits like "nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless", will only have one after rebase.06:11
xiangfumerge will just mix them together for simple :)06:11
kyakdamn.. why it has to be so hard :)06:12
kyakanyway, i wonder why i do 'git co master' and see centerim5 package there06:13
kyakbut i don't see it here: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/06:13
xiangfukyak, maybe you run 'git merge trunk' under 'mater' branch06:14
kyakalso i wonder why the history is lost every time.. ]06:14
kyakxiangfu: no-no, it says "on branch master"06:14
kyakand no commits pending06:15
xiangfuthe history is changed after rebase. 06:16
kyaki think we should always avoid push -f06:16
kyakthis is what causing history lost.. am i right?06:16
xiangfuyes. 06:17
xiangfubut sometime we have to do that. :(, like rebase openwrt-xburst on top of last upstream backfire06:18
xiangfuthe only thing is after rebase we have to run 'git reset --hard origin/trunk' at local06:18
kyakwhy do we have to do that?06:18
xiangfukyak, or we will never find our commit again. 06:18
xiangfulike our commit will insterted to 100 openwrt upstream commit.06:19
kyakah ok..06:19
kyaksomething similar i did recently :))06:19
kyakresolved manually the conflict in sound.mk06:20
xiangfukyak, sorry, I have to rebase the 'trunk' branch again. there are some mess. :)06:20
kyakand the commit got inside another commit06:20
kyakxiangfu: yeah, please do what you have to do :)06:20
xiangfukyak, but after this time, I think we will never rebase 'trunk' again. :)06:20
kyakwhy not?06:20
kyaktrunk is still not the same as master06:21
xiangfuall master commits have included by trunk06:22
xiangfuand since we decide switch to 'trunk' we will never try to commit new thing to 'master' only fix last release bug I think06:22
kyakbut not all trunk commits are included in master06:22
kyakah, ok06:22
kyaki thought we are going to "overwrite" master with trunk06:23
xiangfu'trunk' will became 'master' in next few days :)06:23
xiangfurename them06:23
xiangfu'master' --> 'backfire'06:23
xiangfu'trunk' --> 'master'06:23
kyakthis makes sense06:23
xiangfusame with openwrt-xburst.git I think.06:23
kyakxiangfu: centerim5/libpurple commits must not get inside the master (i.e. backfire)06:24
xiangfuso we only rebase on top 'master', never merge 'trunk' back to 'master'06:24
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: [nanonote-files] reflash_ben.sh: update version to 2011-05-22 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cdd70d206:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gcc-mips: prepare for trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/83e109c06:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: alsa-lib: no need for this patch in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d9c332206:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ncursesw is perfectly fine in openwrt trunk, no need to override http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/60ae3de06:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: triggersad is now happy again! http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0f74ee406:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: guile: fix compilation in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e0bb18d06:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: gnuplot-gfx: fix compilation issue in trunk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a8ac0c606:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ben-cyrillic: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f54d4ad06:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: keymouse: fix keymap for VolUp/VolDown http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/539529706:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: ks7010: support kernel > 2.6.35 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/82df0af06:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: busybox in trunk has changed some unicode options http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/839aab906:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: libpurple: initial port http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4fd96bb06:25
qi-bot[commit] kyak: centerim5: initial port http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/00d514606:25
xiangfukyak, last rebase done. you can 'git fetch -a && git reset --hard origin/trunk' under local trunk branch06:25
xiangfuthen run 'gitk' you will see all commits is on top of master06:25
kyakok, never merge, always rebase :)06:26
xiangfuthe merge is used like: there are three branch 'master' 'ben-naonote' 'ya-naonote', then we can merge 'ben-nanonote' under 'master', merge 'ya-nanonote' under 'master'06:28
xiangfubut our case is we have to rebase on top of openwrt upstream, also this rebase help us find the different with upstrem06:28
xiangfujust fyi, :)06:28
kyakyep, i got it.06:29
kyakjust i still don't understand why some files in web interface don't have history06:29
kyaksee ben_ru_uni.map06:29
kyakthis was changed recently06:29
kyakand it's date and history is empty06:30
xiangfuthe projects.qi-hardware.com using 'indefero' cache a lot, so we better check that again tomorrow :)06:30
xiangfuhmm.. there is no 'age' and 'message' on ben_ru_uni.map06:31
kyakand the same for some other files06:32
kyaki'd say that all commits to trunk don't have such history06:32
xiangfuseems it's 'indefero' cache problem. let's give 'indefero' 24 hours for caching :)06:33
kyakit's not caching, most commits are much more than 24 hrs old06:33
kyaklike that gcc-mips commit06:33
xiangfubut we just rebased. 06:33
kyakthis is tricky.. i thought the commit identifier is kept06:34
kyakok, let's see in some time :)06:34
xiangfukyak, if the last openwrt release don't have big bug/problem, we can switch to 'trunk' after that. 06:52
xiangfukyak, also we can think about Jlime/Openwrt dual boot, 06:53
xiangfuthink about nand partition, since we have fast mount time,06:53
xiangfuadd atben support06:54
kyaki'm using trunk for quite some time now, without apparent problems. Btw, plplot fails to build for some reason, i guess we could ask dvdk to have a look..07:00
kyakxiangfu: dual boot - i think it's working already by holding a button during power on. What more can we wish?07:00
kyaksome menu.. i'm not sure, it only waste precious seconds during bootup07:01
xiangfuyes. then the Jlime/Openwrt have to install in two partition.07:01
kyak2 Gb is not much at all :)07:01
xiangfuI don't have clear idea on dual boot. :(07:02
kyaktaking into account the growing number of uSD slot hacks07:02
kyaknot everyone would have spare uSD slot for jlime :)07:02
kyaki'm happy with the current partition layout07:03
kyakmore than 512 Mb for rootfs is good if you need to pre-install all the software. but in real life, one person doesn't need that much07:04
kyak512 Mb rootfs with around 150 Mb free space for installation of additional pacakges is good07:04
kyakhaving 2 Gb rootfs would make me hesitate to reflash07:05
kyakbecause i'm lazy to backup and then restor my user files after reflash07:05
xiangfuback/restore is bad. me either07:06
xiangfuI mean I also don't want to do backup/restore. 07:06
kyakhaving some space that can survive between reflashes is good.07:07
kyakfrankly, i wouldn't give another 512 Mb of NAND for the second OS.. 1.5 Gb of datafs is not that much at all07:09
kyakalso, i don't know who will be using both OSs actively at the same time07:09
kyaki.e. constantly switching between each other07:10
kyakanother OS that would be just a waste of space07:10
kyakfor someone using jlime, 512 Mb of openwrt (that he doesn't use or uses very rare) is a waste of NAND07:11
kyakand vice versa07:11
kyakand, having two OS's means doubling of support efforts07:12
xiangfuyes. 07:13
xiangfuthat's true07:14
lunavorax_frizzlHi all!08:14
xiangfulunavorax_frizzl, Hi08:16
kyakxiangfu: do i need to be root to run reflash_ben.sh?08:18
kyaki saw this requirement had been removed08:18
kyaki'm almost used to flashing Ben as root :) is it required?08:19
xiangfusince the xburst-tools have changed, as long as you have write access to ingenic usb device like:08:20
xiangfu/etc/udev/rules.d$ more 80-ben-nanonote.rules 08:20
xiangfuSUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="601a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="4740", MODE="0666"08:20
xiangfukyak, at before, we check 'root' under 'reflash_ben.sh' and 'usbboot', 08:20
xiangfubut using udev is better then just 'root'08:21
kyaki see that checking for root has been removed08:21
xiangfukyak, me too, before setup the udev :)08:21
kyaki'll setup udev :)08:21
kyakit was buggin me to run that as root, but not as much as to take measures :)08:22
kyakxiangfu: couple of days ago, i merged openwrt-trunk into qi-openwrt-trunk. Should i now rebase instead?08:29
xiangfuwhich repos? openwrt-xburst.git?08:29
kyakthere was only one conflict at that time.. i think it lead to creation of "double" merge08:29
kyakyeah, openwrt-xburst.git08:29
kyaki.e. our local change in sound.mk got merged with upstream change in another (third) commit08:30
kyakinstead of rebasing on top of that upstream change08:30
xiangfuyes. rebase is better for maintain our commits.08:34
xiangfuyou can use 'git rebase -i OPENWRT_TRUNK_BRANCH_NAME'08:34
xiangfuthen it will bring a text for you to edit. decide which commit you want.08:35
kyakyep, it brings the text08:35
kyaki want all of them :)08:35
kyaknot sure if this one "pick a85f9e8 trunk: build sound modules in kernel"08:35
kyakwill rebase without conflicts08:35
xiangfujust save and exit. see if there is conflicts?08:36
xiangfuif no. then everything is find. if there is we have to manually fix the conflict. 08:36
kyakCould not apply a85f9e8... trunk: build sound modules in kernel08:37
kyakjust like i said08:37
kyakafter i fix the conflict. How should i proceed?08:37
kyakadd/rm this file, or git rebase --continue ?08:37
xiangfu'git rebase --continue'08:37
xiangfuyou can run 'git mergetools'08:38
xiangfusorry, 'git mergetool'08:38
kyakone minute..08:38
kyakCould not apply 21fdcfd... package/kernel: Remove all 2.4 definitions08:47
kyakbut files require merging.. wtf?08:47
kyak*no files08:48
xiangfuthis commit is from upstream? 08:49
xiangfusorry. should be from ours.08:49
xiangfuwhere is this commit from ? are you sure you have correct branch? current branch and which branch you are rebase on?08:51
kyakthat commit is from upstream08:53
kyaki know how it got there..08:54
kyakthat' because of merging..08:54
kyakfixing it now..08:55
qi-bot[commit] jow: [package] iw: fix calculation of fractional multicast rates like 5.5Mbps due to wrong operator precedence http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/030f9c108:57
qi-bot[commit] jow: [package] ncurses: enable C++ bindings (#9442) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bfa121a08:57
qi-bot[commit] jow: [netfilter] package u32 match and TEE target, patches by Maxim Uvarov http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/36715e608:57
qi-bot[commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b1a720008:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/402a51708:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/807cc4b08:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5f6350708:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu:  Add-gfortran-compiler-support-to-the-toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/eaaf0bd08:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2703fe008:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed0869908:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8d8571608:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/21c637108:57
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1502cdd08:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/89bf2df08:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c27e04308:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c1d7c8108:57
qi-bot[commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/328d74a08:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0432ba508:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/80fdec508:57
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/920e58508:57
kyakxiangfu: now everything should be as expected.. Could you double check?08:58
kyakour commits to trunk nice and clean on top of the latest trunk08:58
xiangfugreat. one small things is you can just remove the top three commits.09:03
xiangfusince it'a add and delete the same file. 09:03
xiangfukyak, sorry. the top two commits. not three. 09:04
kyakheh, right :)09:05
kyakhooks/post-update: line 24: echo: write error: Broken pipe09:09
kyakbut anyway, git reset --hard HEAD~2; git push -f origin trunk is done09:10
xiangfukyak, great you have merged 'fix typo from the previous commit' to the correct commits :)09:11
kyakyeah, that i did, too :)09:11
kyakthat was embarassing typo :) now noone knows it has ever been09:12
xiangfuhmm.. I can not 'git fetch -a', it show there is no update in git server.09:13
xiangfucan you push again 09:13
kyakone sec09:14
kyak$ git push origin trunk09:14
kyakEverything up-to-date09:14
xiangfuwait, it's working now.09:15
kyakgit show-branch openwrt trunk (openwrt is the name of remote openwrt branch) shows 15 commits in trunk09:15
xiangfukyak, works just fine.09:17
kyakgit log -p ^openwrt trunk <- create cumulative patch from openwrt-trunk to qi-openwrt-trunk :)09:21
kyaksuch a beast...09:22
xiangfuyou want git diff openwrt ?09:23
kyakheh, another way to do it :)09:24
kyakgit has too much to offer09:24
xiangfuone big patch :)09:25
xiangfugit format-patch -15 :) is better 09:25
kyakdifferent commands can be used to achieve the same goal,, perhaps it's not very good09:25
lunavorax_frizzlAnyone here knows a good DOS disassembler ?10:20
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: bin/fk: little helper script to flash the kernel via SSH or usbboot http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/387e6dd13:35
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: bin/ben, bin/jlime: helper scripts for network setup and SSH login http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/6aace9513:36
lunavorax_frizzlOh I never realized how much space Xorg was using in RAM13:42
DocScrutinizernt exactly xorg but probably all the apps allocating rather large canvas aka webpages aka oversized scrollable windows14:09
DocScrutinizerwhich are usually larger than the framebuffer for the screen's real resolution14:11
vladkorotnevhello everyone :D 15:45
vladkorotnevI know it's a noob question, but how do I insert a microSD card into the ben nanonote?15:46
wpwrakvladkorotnev: so it arrived ? congratulations !15:50
wpwrakvladkorotnev: you insert the card with the contacts facing upward15:50
vladkorotnevwpwrak: thanks!15:50
vladkorotnevwpwrak: it tries to get back out :P15:50
wpwrakpush it in a little more. then it should lock (you can still pry it out, but it resists a little)15:51
vladkorotnevoh thanks, I got it15:52
vladkorotnevbut where's its mount point?15:53
wpwrakpuuh. not sure if there's any kind of automount. maybe you have to mount manually.15:56
ron_thinking about possible futre nanonote derivative, a question: changing toi a different LCD display module implies (??) a new lcm controller?  16:00
ron_from something I read here months ago, apparently the lcd controller was especially tough to crack (open up code). is that correct16:01
wpwrakron_: you mean the chip on the lcd module ? yes, there's a number of such chips and you can never quite tell which one they use16:02
wpwrakron_: this happened before i got involved, byt lcd controllers are generally a mess, so i wouldn't be surprised if it was a pain16:02
ron_wpwrak my real question is it practical to go to a new and larger display with higher resolution16:03
ron_i understrand that having more bits to move around is a challenge16:04
wpwrakroh: well, i wouldn't change the form factor of the nanonote much. but a slightly wider display should be possible16:04
ron_on the other hand 4760 will run about 2x faster16:05
ron_on the other hand the main attraction of Ben is it is very open. on a spec basis, it is very weak compared to many other portable devices that can be used with Linux. e.g. Palm Pre run a nice linux.16:08
wpwrakyeah, a new design would have a lot more memory bandwidth. maybe faster clock, sdr->ddr or even ddr2, a wider bus. you could drive a very large screen.16:09
wpwrakit specs are weak, but the price is low :) i think that's an interesting niche.16:09
kyakvladkorotnev: it arrived at the right time to give it a try to new testing image from xiangfu :)16:10
wpwrakron_: i would also hope that more opened design would be easier to adapt. e.g., you could make a laptop-sized variant with a moderate investment. still a few kbucks, but far less than what it would cost today.16:12
kristianpaulvalhalla: great it arrives indeed16:14
kristianpaulis gone..16:14
kristianpaulsorry valhalla 16:14
wpwrakron_: all we'd need to make this happen is a pot of gold. anyone stumbled upon one by chance ? :)16:15
wpwrakkristianpaul: the curse of auto-completion :)16:15
kristianpaulyeah.. :S16:16
Jay7wpwrak. ron_: I'll prefer case and keyboard like HP Jornada ;)16:37
Jay7interesting, is Pandora case schematics awailable?16:37
Jay7I mean OpenPandora16:38
qwebirc145hello how is the development going?16:41
valhallakristianpaul: np, the conversation looks interesting anyway :D16:42
valhallaJay7: no, the openpandora is not open as far as hardware is concerned16:43
Jay7valhalla: I mean case16:43
valhallaJay7: yes, case included16:44
Jay7bad OpenPandora, bad!16:44
valhallathey are dead scared of clones appearing before they have managed to finish builiding the preorders16:45
Jay7they are failed almost anything16:46
Jay7but they was one of pioneers16:46
valhallaexactly, when they started they were sort of "open enough for now"16:48
wpwrakwe have to keep raising the bar :) there's still a lot to do.16:49
valhallawell, the nanonote is also "open enough for now", since the SoC is still proprietary, only the "now" of the nanonote is later than  the "now" of pandora16:50
wpwrakthe nanonote also lacks open schematics that were used for production (the "real" schematics are in a proprietary format), an open layout, and an open case designs.16:51
wpwrakschematics and layout should be easy enough to "do right" in a future device. the case is harder.16:52
Jay7case design is very special thing..16:53
wpwrakwolfspraul: btw, someone asked for the ben layout a few days ago. have you ever released the gerbers ?16:55
wpwrakJay7: it's different from electronics. but hey, it should certainly be doable for a few lads with sharp wits and some CNC system (mill, printer, whatever) :-)16:55
wolfspraulwpwrak: the avt2 gerbers are published in both kicad and pads, I believe.16:57
wolfspraulthe other gerbers are irretrievable due to the process back then with multiple companies involved16:58
wpwrak(avt) cool. (others) :-(16:58
wolfspraulbut for all practical purposes the lb60 and avt2 gerbers are the same, it's only a technical problem16:58
wolfspraulThe ben gerbers are released as avt2, in both pads and kicad format.16:59
wolfspraulthat's the bottom line16:59
wolfspraulthe pads version is even production tested (the kicad version is not)17:00
wolfspraulthe naming of lb60 and avt2 was unfortunate17:01
wolfspraulnaming pcb revisions in open projects is a pain17:01
wpwrakhmm, where are they ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/hardware/qi_avt2/RC2/ only has schematics (as PDF)17:01
wpwrakah, v1.0 ! :)17:01
wpwrakdesign files for orcad and pads: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/hardware/qi_avt2/v1.0/17:03
wpwrakwolfspraul: (naming pcb revisions) hmm, what do you mean ?17:03
wolfspraulthe kicad run never made it though, so the kicad files are untested17:03
wolfspraulthose random numbers lb60 and avt2 are a bad idea17:04
wolfspraulit just doesn't work17:04
wpwrakah. well, they look "professional" :)17:05
wolfspraulthe best is to only have one file format (say kicad), to start in that file format from day 1, always stay in that file format17:05
wolfspraulany derivatives or generated files should be generated in a clean and reproducible process, from a known revision of the original open kicad files17:05
wolfsprauland all boards should be named after the product they are being part of, and then just a date code, or revision number17:06
wolfspraulthat's the theory17:06
wpwrakhmm yes, including the git revision would be an interesting idea17:06
wolfspraulin practice it's sometimes not like that :-)17:06
wpwrakwell, ben-wpan is pretty close. i still maintain my version number (basically a date code) manually, but besides that, everything originates from the kicad design files17:07
wpwrak(plus some auxiliary material for BOM, CNC, etc. but that's kinda unavoidable)17:08
DocScrutinizerPADS \o/ :-S17:55
Action: Jay7 is looking at google analytics for kexecboot.org site17:56
Jay7wpwrak: seems you made lot of traffic ;)17:56
Jay7I see interesting sources like acessa.me, google.com.pe17:57
Jay7location chart is interesting too.. Brazil, Pery, Colombia, Mexico, Argentina17:59
wpwrakJay7: (traffic) hm no, i just mentioned it on a forum in germany. don't think it spread far from there17:59
wpwrakJay7: maybe someone else discovered it independently ;-)17:59
Jay7well, may be :)17:59
Jay7btw, now USA visitors count is greater than Russia visitors count :)18:00
Jay7good sign18:00
Jay7USA is at 1st place now :)18:00
wpwrakwhee ! :)18:01
wpwrakif you translate the page to chinese, maybe even more people will come ;-)18:01
Jay7I don't speak chinese :(18:02
Jay7btw, some people from South Korea was here too18:02
Jay7and Japan18:02
wpwraknow you've earned global fame :)18:02
Jay7and India18:03
Jay7well.. I should commit something then :)18:03
kristianpaulbtw what happend with kexecboot and nanonote?18:03
Jay7almost nothing :)18:03
kristianpaulah :-)18:03
Jay7I have no time to find and fix kexec problem on NN18:03
Jay7and kexecboot is unusable w/o working kexec at this moment18:04
Jay7so work is kinda stalled18:04
kristianpauli hope your followers are not here18:04
Jay7I'll add support for switch_root and switch_root + losetup soon :)18:05
Jay7then kexecboot may be usable even w/o kexec :)18:05
kristianpaulmay be i'm blind, but any body case a link to source code here http://gnss-sdr.ru/index.php?blogid=2 ?18:07
kristianpauls/case/can see18:07
Jay7hehe.. glonass..18:07
kristianpaulJay7: over your sky ;)18:07
Jay7kristianpaul: http://gnss-sdr.com/sklad/GLON_SDR_scilab.rar18:08
Jay7scilab source code18:08
Jay7yeah.. windows users very like it here18:09
Jay7but migrating to 7zip slowly18:09
Jay7kicad sources18:10
kristianpaulphew how do i missed..18:10
Jay7kristianpaul: just click on every header and check articles18:12
Jay7there are some more links inside18:12
Jay7e.g. http://gnss-sdr.ru/sklad/gps-sdr.zip18:12
kristianpauldammit i tought was a single page..18:13
Action: kristianpaul feel about it18:13
kristianpaulthanks Jay7  :-)18:13
Jay7kristianpaul: np :)18:13
kristianpaulgreat there is code for the cpld.. :D18:14
Jay7kristianpaul: btw, have you tried gpredict?18:16
kristianpaulJay7: of course i used once a week, at least to try just "see" some sats for now :-) 18:17
Jay7kristianpaul: is it working? I mean that OE port18:18
kristianpaulahh OE, not tried 18:18
kristianpaulthat go after werner ubb-vga..18:18
Action: Jay7 still have lingot unpushed..18:18
kristianpaulurgh, the're using the cypress chip..18:20
kristianpaulor usrp legacy ;)18:20
methril_worknice GPS site20:00
methril_workok kristianpaul, sorry for the mistake ;)21:16
grunthushi, looking for some help with software USB-boot, for new Ben21:24
grunthusah, no, looks like I got 601a:4740 from lsusb now21:29
grunthusls /dev/bus/usb21:30
kristianpaulmethril_work: nha, just kidding, actuatully the blog is focus on glonass it seems, thats is gnss too21:51
grunthusHmmm. OK, reflash_ben.sh reported success, however the Ben will still not switch on for normal use? Any ideas anyone?22:10
grunthusErm, disregard. I got it via the reset switch!!22:11
DocScrutinizerroh: do you have a needlebed tester? (maybe a special tool for your CNC mill)23:13
Action: DocScrutinizer ponders to revamp an old 24pin impact printer, then feed the results to kicad to RE the schematics23:26
DocScrutinizerof the DUT23:26
DocScrutinizerHAH, (C): use a electroluminescent transparent layer of twice the PCB length and width, with the needle with RF in the center23:30
DocScrutinizeruse a second EL layer for PCB backside23:31
DocScrutinizer2 cameras23:31
DocScrutinizerwhere's the next patent lawyer?!23:31
DocScrutinizerNB I'm talking about blank PCB, not PCBA23:33
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