| fusin | good morning qiots | 06:06 |
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| kristianpaul | morning fusin | 06:09 |
| kristianpaul | how do you get in to the "qiot" word btw? :-) | 06:10 |
| fusin | slowly, much to much to do ;) | 06:11 |
| fusin | mainly use gmu | 06:12 |
| kristianpaul | gmu is nice | 06:13 |
| fusin | yep, but to be honest, I think buying Ben was an error | 06:13 |
| fusin | (except of suporting the idea of course) | 06:13 |
| kristianpaul | yeah, why? | 06:14 |
| fusin | for end users it is better to use android phones and tablets | 06:14 |
| fusin | or good old psion S5 :D | 06:14 |
| kristianpaul | fusin: it depends of end-user requirements | 06:15 |
| fusin | i really miss a road-map, like pE the roadmap @ ReactOS | 06:15 |
| fusin | well, what is the goal of ben? | 06:15 |
| fusin | device that powers and size, i can only see as PIM-Device, and little 'GameBoy' tool | 06:16 |
| kristianpaul | i like carry music on it | 06:17 |
| fusin | no one would realy use it to programm or to make 'serious' wordprocessing or? | 06:17 |
| kristianpaul | also some comics ;-) | 06:17 |
| fusin | well, indeed, gmu is my main appliance atm. And Sokoban :D | 06:17 |
| kristianpaul | ah, thats good, i dont see the bad poing of buing the nanonote if you get fun that way | 06:18 |
| wolfspraul | fusin: it's rare that a Ben buyer comes here and says it was an error! | 06:18 |
| wolfspraul | although I would estimate at least 30% of our buyers will feel like that after a week maybe... | 06:18 |
| kristianpaul | takes notes is good, i cant imagine run a wordprocessing software even if the sytem could handle all the processing | 06:18 |
| wolfspraul | not that I am proud of selling to those guys, the lower that number the better | 06:18 |
| kristianpaul | until they found JLime ;-)) | 06:18 |
| wpwrak | wolfspraul: time to send the black ops ninjas ;-) | 06:19 |
| wolfspraul | if you compare with Android, or you think about 'end users', then of course I totally agree | 06:19 |
| fusin | perhaps i should try JLime, but I think the main goal is still full open-source, isn't it?? | 06:19 |
| wpwrak | fusin: jlime is fully open source | 06:20 |
| wolfspraul | yes try jlime, maybe you can try booting from sd first | 06:20 |
| fusin | wolfspraul: why should i think other way? isn't ben not meant to be used by 'End-Users'? | 06:20 |
| fusin | if not, why making a nice case? | 06:20 |
| fusin | for development a naked board, with all connectors accesible is more accurate.. | 06:20 |
| wolfspraul | it is [end-users], but today it needs to be an end user that cares a lot about free software | 06:21 |
| kristianpaul | i dont see comparison with android, remenbering this is a multipurpose OS | 06:21 |
| kristianpaul | remenber this little computer was a dictionary, now i can do more than that | 06:22 |
| fusin | kristianpaul: i not realy compare with Android, But from an End-Users view, i must. Coz what does interest an End user? the device has to do something well. For now, the only real usefull is Music-Player. For that money, there are cheaper players Outside. Ben will never be able to compete there. | 06:23 |
| fusin | I think there is a need to position Ben somewhere. Even if it is a 'niche' | 06:24 |
| kristianpaul | fusin: oh, sure i agree with turnkey solutions, something the ben is not now in the software side | 06:24 |
| fusin | i gues, making an good calculator, which run graphicaly could help | 06:27 |
| fusin | also a gui for DGClock which fits with the Gui from Gmenu. | 06:29 |
| fusin | stuff like that :D | 06:29 |
| kristianpaul | you really should try Jlime, | 06:30 |
| kristianpaul | from sd is nice, indeed | 06:30 |
| wolfspraul | fusin: I see you think in practial small steps (DGClock gui), that's good :-) | 06:31 |
| wolfspraul | practical | 06:31 |
| fusin | I will try someday, altough I didn't like it on my HP Jornada 568 :P | 06:31 |
| kyak | fusin: you just haven't found your use for Ben (yet) | 06:31 |
| wolfspraul | one thing to keep in mind is that the current Android and iDevice mania is sucking up a lot of available software development time | 06:31 |
| fusin | kyak: right, but i fully support the idea behind :-D | 06:32 |
| wolfspraul | my feeling is there are maybe a few hundred free software devs left worldwide working on non-Android/non-iphone mobile software | 06:32 |
| wolfspraul | (I'm exaggerating, just to make my point) | 06:32 |
| wolfspraul | so there are many cute little clients one _could_ write for the Ben | 06:32 |
| wolfspraul | in sdl, in qt, in ncurses even | 06:32 |
| wolfspraul | we have a bunch of interesting scripting languages | 06:32 |
| kristianpaul | android hit something that for mobile i *think* is important, having a SDK is esential | 06:33 |
| kristianpaul | UI unification. | 06:33 |
| wolfspraul | but progress is very very slow because like I said for mobile devices with small screens, everybody and their grandmother are on Android or iPhone/iPad right now | 06:33 |
| kristianpaul | etc.. | 06:33 |
| wolfspraul | oh I'm not worried at all about this, I'm just describing how I see things | 06:33 |
| fusin | wolfspraul: yep, I agree, and this brings up my second wish: where should a newbie start? there's no place with FAQ and or How To install and start develop for Ben. | 06:33 |
| kristianpaul | sure, i can imagine you dont :-) | 06:33 |
| wolfspraul | and why 'little' things like a dictionary app, an openstreetmap client, some music browsers and download clients for popular free music sites etc. are so slow coming together | 06:34 |
| fusin | Maybe a dedicated Forum, and a Site with background info for the newbies? | 06:34 |
| wolfspraul | the only thing I can do is to focus my extremely limited resources on the kernel, the build system, even u-boot | 06:35 |
| wolfspraul | and endure the laughs about application failure compared to Android or iAnything | 06:35 |
| fusin | kristianpaul: right: UI unification is important. Why have SDL/QT etc. Use one of them, but then everywhere. | 06:35 |
| wolfspraul | eventually (tm) we have the right mix and it will take off... | 06:35 |
| fusin | in my eyes (it's not meant as flame) the port of 'sc' to Ben was only usefull for the programmer. It's only a proof that it can be done. No one really will ever use sc on ben, isn't it? | 06:38 |
| fusin | did even somebody use sc on linux??? ;) | 06:39 |
| kristianpaul | i did once | 06:40 |
| fusin | yeah, me too, on an old 386 in the beginning | 06:40 |
| kristianpaul | but dint find dec to binaty convertion | 06:40 |
| kristianpaul | binary* | 06:40 |
| fusin | once I had X11 running, i never used it seriously :D | 06:40 |
| kristianpaul | phew 20°C is getting "cold" here | 06:42 |
| fusin | maybe sounds crazy, but I compare Ben with good old C64. Alas I miss Basic :D | 06:42 |
| kyak | xMff: may i ask you to have a look at https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/9442, there is a patch that enables cxx bindings and makes installation of ncurses headers more correct | 07:52 |
| kyak_cim5 | writing it from centerim5/libpurple running on Ben :) | 07:55 |
| Action: Fusin never runs on Ben, I'm to heavy weight for that lill' case :D | 08:14 | |
| jirkab | fusin: I really use sc on Ben. And quite often (for trancking my expenses, for example) | 09:21 |
| dvdk | morning qiots :p | 10:49 |
| wolfspraul | morning :-) | 10:53 |
| Fusin | qiots is copylefted :P | 11:16 |
| wpwrak | wolfspraul: btw, do you know if getting slashdotted increased ben/ubb sales at tuxbrain ? | 12:12 |
| wpwrak | if not, i'll ask victor. he seems to be in a communicative mood ;-) | 12:20 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak: for sure that will increase ben sales at tuxbrain | 12:23 |
| wolfspraul | I had 10-15 I think, so from past data I'd say Tuxbrain maybe similar | 12:23 |
| wpwrak | ah, getting closer to cracking the next 100 then :) | 12:24 |
| wpwrak | the estimation time frame is about 1 week ? or is the sales tail longer ? | 12:29 |
| wpwrak | s/time frame/interval/ # better :) | 12:29 |
| Fusin | coffe time... | 12:29 |
| Fusin | s/coffe/coffee | 12:30 |
| wolfspraul | one week sounds about right, yes | 12:43 |
| vladkorotnev | hello everyone | 13:02 |
| kristianpaul | hi v | 13:17 |
| kristianpaul | vladkorotnev* | 13:18 |
| kristianpaul | Your nanonote finally arrive? | 13:18 |
| vladkorotnev | kristianpaul: hi | 13:18 |
| wolfspraul | vladkorotnev: hi | 13:18 |
| vladkorotnev | I am going to reboot once more, see ya soon :P | 13:19 |
| vladkorotnev | I'm here :P | 13:23 |
| wpwrak | xiangfu: hmm, didn't you make an avrdude package once ? i found this one: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/avrdude_5.8-1_xburst.ipk | 13:34 |
| wpwrak | xiangfu: but that's an old version, without all the ben-specific changes | 13:34 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: the 'latest' packages is release with last release 2011-02-23. | 13:35 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: the avrdude with ben-specific will release in next packages. | 13:36 |
| xiangfu | there is one in my temp folder: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/packages/avrdude_5.10-2_xburst.ipk | 13:36 |
| wpwrak | ah, i see. thanks ! lemme check it ... | 13:36 |
| wolfspraul | vladkorotnev: did you get your NanoNote yet? | 13:37 |
| vladkorotnev | wolfspraul: not yet :( | 13:38 |
| wolfspraul | ok, no surprise, that shipping method is a bit slow - be patient | 13:38 |
| wpwrak | wolfspraul: turtle express parcels ? ;-) | 13:40 |
| vladkorotnev | wpwrak: It's on Russian customs. So the speed will always be the same :P | 13:41 |
| wpwrak | vladkorotnev: oh, customs ... :( | 13:41 |
| wpwrak | the scourge of the globalized consumer | 13:43 |
| kristianpaul | ERROR:Map:258 - A problem was encountered attempting to get the license for this architecture. arghh! | 13:45 |
| wpwrak | xiangfu: works ! :) | 13:54 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: avrdude: remove BROKEN http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/bfff7c1 | 14:00 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: just check if buildhost create the avrdude package. I found I forget remove the BROKEN. | 14:01 |
| Fusin | oh | 17:10 |
| vladkorotnev | hello everyone :P | 17:41 |
| lunavorax_mini | I'm getting very non-confident about all of this smartphones and tablet sutffs | 20:31 |
| lunavorax_mini | What bothers me is Android and closed Firmware stuff | 20:32 |
| GNUtoo | lunavorax_mini, what do you mean by firmware? Android or the firmwares it contains like its wifi card firmware | 20:35 |
| lunavorax_mini | Sorry yes I got all mixed up. | 20:36 |
| lunavorax_mini | I mean that when I see a smartphone, I see a computer. And what I also see is that I can't load the OS I want in it but Android and often the outdated version the manufacturer built for it. | 20:37 |
| GNUtoo | lunavorax_mini, are you aware of replicant? | 20:46 |
| lunavorax_mini | GNUtoo, no | 20:47 |
| GNUtoo | it's a 100% free android, altough: | 20:47 |
| GNUtoo | *wifi and bluetooth depend on non-free firmware that are not redistributable | 20:47 |
| GNUtoo | *the supported phones are unfortunately possibly spied by the modem | 20:48 |
| lunavorax_mini | GNUtoo, http://replicant.us/ I suppose ? | 20:48 |
| GNUtoo | so we'll move to other phones I think | 20:48 |
| GNUtoo | yes | 20:48 |
| lunavorax_mini | Interesting, thanks for the link GNUtoo | 20:49 |
| lunavorax_mini | I made a talking about it at college | 20:49 |
| GNUtoo | ok, abuot smartphones freedom issues? | 20:49 |
| lunavorax_mini | I came to the conclusion that smartphones where "locked ready-to-throw-away computers" which is really sad | 20:50 |
| GNUtoo | not all phones are locked | 20:50 |
| GNUtoo | for instance: | 20:50 |
| lunavorax_mini | Not all phones of course but a lot of them are. | 20:50 |
| GNUtoo | *ADP1,nexus one, nexus S, palm pre, nokia N900 etc.... | 20:50 |
| GNUtoo | a lot are unlocked in fact, not the majority of them tough | 20:51 |
| Action: Fusin just finished installing LMDE on my tiny eeePC 901 | 21:16 | |
| Fusin | *sh*t* wrong channel :) | 21:17 |
| lunavorax_mini | Hum ok GNUtoo | 21:17 |
| Fusin | hrhr | 21:18 |
| lunavorax_mini | Anyway, I don't have a smartphone... Not even a cellphone in fact :P | 21:18 |
| GNUtoo | lunavorax_mini, that's better | 21:18 |
| GNUtoo | lunavorax_mini, smartphones are spying devices | 21:18 |
| GNUtoo | even if you have a 100% free distro on it | 21:18 |
| lunavorax_mini | I do believe so | 21:19 |
| lunavorax_mini | They sure are attractive but everytime I always got to the conclusion "I'll have to switch to buy a faster one day to to use the latest apps" | 21:20 |
| lunavorax_mini | And then I dust off my old iTouch 2G and see all the "cool" apps in store... | 21:21 |
| lunavorax_mini | And, oh well, just shut it off again for the next 6months :) | 21:21 |
| Fusin | sell it before you earn no more money for it :P | 21:22 |
| Fusin | buy an additional ben from the earned money :D | 21:22 |
| lunavorax_mini | Fusin, at the beginning I bought it to develop on it... one day... maybe... | 21:23 |
| Fusin | develop for apple hardware?? | 21:23 |
| Fusin | only usefull if hardware is not newer than AppleII :D | 21:23 |
| lunavorax_mini | So far that was the best touchscreen device on the market imho. Maybe Android devices does good or better now. | 21:24 |
| lunavorax_mini | Yeah I should buy an Apple II on day also to see why people say it's so awesome. | 21:24 |
| GNUtoo | lunavorax_mini, better buying a non phone device | 21:26 |
| Fusin | I buyed an Apple II gs lately, and I love it | 21:27 |
| GNUtoo | but apple devices are spying too | 21:27 |
| lunavorax_mini | GNUtoo, That's what I was going to precise | 21:27 |
| lunavorax_mini | GNUtoo, also yeah | 21:27 |
| lunavorax_mini | Fusin, gotta find a good emulator first to try it then I'll buy one maybe. | 21:28 |
| lunavorax_mini | Fusin, for now I'm focused on receiving my first C64 from UK. | 21:28 |
| GNUtoo | maybe the pandora would be great if you remove the 3d and make your own image and don't use pnds | 21:28 |
| lunavorax_mini | pnds ? | 21:29 |
| GNUtoo | pandora packagews | 21:29 |
| GNUtoo | *packages | 21:29 |
| GNUtoo | usually they come without source | 21:29 |
| GNUtoo | or with a link to the source | 21:29 |
| lunavorax_mini | Whatever, I try to avoid using vapor-hardware... whoops, what did I said ? ;) | 21:29 |
| GNUtoo | it's real but hard to get | 21:30 |
| GNUtoo | I saw real people with real pandoras | 21:30 |
| GNUtoo | but it was just an examples | 21:30 |
| lunavorax_mini | That's what I meant indeed. | 21:30 |
| GNUtoo | there is the nanote too | 21:30 |
| GNUtoo | but you have wpan and no wifi | 21:30 |
| lunavorax_mini | I have my Ben for now it's cool. | 21:30 |
| lunavorax_mini | I'll make some stuff this summer if I don't get lazy. | 21:30 |
| GNUtoo | altough with people like werner, you have it pushed to its limits | 21:30 |
| GNUtoo | *wpan | 21:31 |
| GNUtoo | *vga adapter | 21:31 |
| GNUtoo | etc.... | 21:31 |
| GNUtoo | it just lacks wifi | 21:31 |
| lunavorax_mini | Yeah, I'll never be gratefull enough about what Werner have done so far. | 21:31 |
| lunavorax_mini | It's ok, I don't miss wifi. | 21:31 |
| lunavorax_mini | USB-Ethernet is ok, and mini-sd card slot for storage is too. | 21:32 |
| lunavorax_mini | Bed time ! | 21:32 |
| lunavorax_mini | See ya :) | 21:32 |
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