DocScrutinizer | ok, then you need a *really* experienced fab, which knows their business to get it right without much fiddling and try&error | 00:00 |
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DocScrutinizer | maybe even offers some guaranteed yield | 00:01 |
DocScrutinizer | (which they achieve by manual repair where needed) | 00:01 |
DocScrutinizer | I.E: a fab specialized on ultralow qty | 00:01 |
wpwrak | i think that's what they do, yes (small quantities) | 00:02 |
DocScrutinizer | you *might* be even better off with manual assembly | 00:02 |
wpwrak | they're in spain, not china ;) | 00:02 |
DocScrutinizer | hmm, then no manual asly | 00:03 |
wpwrak | ;-) | 00:03 |
wpwrak | maybe in a few years, after the european south's economy has been bombed back to medieval standards, ... | 00:03 |
DocScrutinizer | the Spanish are too expensive and not as myopic as the Chinese | 00:03 |
DocScrutinizer | duh, almost exactly my wording of a few hours ago | 00:04 |
DocScrutinizer | I actually said "Greece getting economy-bombed back into ~1920" | 00:05 |
DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-17 16:04:25] <DocScrutinizer> not all of a joke, when you look at Greece getting economy-bombed back to ~1920 | 00:06 |
DocScrutinizer | they'll still miss that special chinese affinity to microscopic things | 00:07 |
DocScrutinizer | Spanish mentality is more like the russian "let's build everything like it was a tank" | 00:09 |
wpwrak | oh, the myopia will develop naturally - helps with finding food :) | 00:10 |
wpwrak | the russian approach isn't too bad, all things considered | 00:10 |
DocScrutinizer | sure, but incompatible to SMT | 00:10 |
wpwrak | nanotanks ;-) | 00:12 |
DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:12 |
DocScrutinizer | me counters with "Ecranoplan" | 00:14 |
wpwrak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekranoplan ? cool stuff | 00:16 |
DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan | 00:18 |
wpwrak | yeah, nice little vehicle ;-) | 00:20 |
wpwrak | "The Ecranoplane combines the two most dangerous phases of aviation, i.e takeoff and landing, into one continuous event, dispensing with the safe altitude phase completely." | 00:39 |
unclouded | hey xiangfu, could I please have a new project on projects.qi-hardware.com? | 03:10 |
xiangfu | as long as it's about copyleft hardware. :) | 03:11 |
unclouded | of course! :) | 03:12 |
xiangfu | what name you want? | 03:12 |
unclouded | man-tiny, please | 03:12 |
xiangfu | shot name | 03:12 |
xiangfu | ok | 03:12 |
xiangfu | unclouded: what is your username in projects.qi-hardware.com? | 03:17 |
xiangfu | oh it's 'unclouded' found it | 03:17 |
unclouded | that's right. only just found it myself | 03:18 |
xiangfu | unclouded: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/man-tiny/ | 03:18 |
unclouded | great stuff. thanks very much | 03:18 |
wpwrak | "... he was a tiny man, the girls said ..." ;-) | 03:18 |
unclouded | ;-) | 03:20 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc: some initial test process documentation (still very incomplete) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d0ab9d9 | 03:21 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb: separated flashing from testing; added enumeration and ID test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/32744af | 03:21 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/Common (expect, expect_re): allow multiple arguments (for options) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c2163a6 | 03:21 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/flow.fig: draw feedback (information vs. physical items) dashed http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b9a3054 | 03:21 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/atnet.c (atnet_set_clkm): corrected return code (1 means success here) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b24a189 | 03:21 |
qi-bot | [commit] Neil Stockbridge: There is now a ( very simple) man page viewer that supports MANPATH http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e15a705 | 04:26 |
qi-bot | [commit] Neil Stockbridge: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5d8d83a | 04:26 |
unclouded | I was having trouble with the busybox man, so that man-tiny package is a simple man page viewer that finds the man page ( supporting a MANPATH with many entries unlike the busybox one) and then hands off the rendering to mandoc ( already part of the release image) and less ( not more) | 04:30 |
unclouded | can we drop new .ipk files in to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/ at any time or should they really be part of the latest release? | 04:44 |
xiangfu | unclouded: we can not just 'drop' it to that folder, there are a package list under that URL | 04:48 |
xiangfu | Packages.gz. | 04:48 |
xiangfu | http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/Packages.gz | 04:48 |
xiangfu | we need update this Packages.gz. then opkg can found the new packages. | 04:49 |
unclouded | ah ok. I forgot about that. That's what opkg uses to decide which packages are available | 04:49 |
unclouded | presumably we'd rather not edit Packages.gz by hand for fear of making a mistake that renders the whole thing unusable? | 04:50 |
xiangfu | better using "make package/index" | 04:50 |
xiangfu | and also the packages better release with the images. then it will have same uClibc, Gcc etc. for less problem :) | 04:51 |
unclouded | that makes sense | 04:52 |
kyak | unclouded: for your problem with ../man3 you could use "UNPACK_CMD" in Makefile | 04:54 |
kyak | grep it in existing Makefiles, for exmaple | 04:54 |
kyak | PKG_UNPACK seems to work, too | 04:55 |
xiangfu | kyak: I saw your message about cronjob. will working on that after ~1 hours. I have to go offline for awhile, see you later. | 04:55 |
kyak | xiangfu: thanks :) | 04:55 |
xiangfu | kyak: thanks for feedback as always, (also the email) see you . | 04:55 |
kyak | xiangfu: always welcome! | 04:56 |
unclouded | kyak: thanks for the tip. I'll have a go at fixing the package later on | 05:57 |
qi-bot | [commit] Neil Stockbridge: The libsdl-doc-man Makefile is now more elegant http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/62d7bcd | 07:17 |
qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9b8498d | 07:32 |
qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: stardict enalbe man page search http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c911cb2 | 07:32 |
qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cd2b5dc | 07:32 |
xiangfu | kyak: Hi what is the better way for 'jobs in sequence'? | 07:38 |
xiangfu | put while() in one script file ? | 07:39 |
kyak | xiangfu: something like that, yes :) | 07:40 |
xiangfu | kyak: buildhost get error on libxfce4util, I just disable. we don't need xfce in nanonote. | 07:40 |
kyak | yep, this xfce is in xfce feed, that should be disabled | 07:40 |
kyak | only leave qipackages, packages and desktop | 07:41 |
qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2a5cc31 | 07:44 |
qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a4a100c | 07:45 |
xiangfu | kyak: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/bin/compile-openwrt.sh | 07:51 |
xiangfu | kyak: after the current full_system build finish, I will start this "compile-openwrt.sh" :) | 07:52 |
kyak | xiangfu: yeah, i think it's simple but effective :) | 07:54 |
kyak | then you need to run this cronjob only once.. | 07:54 |
xiangfu | kyak: then I would like start it manually :) | 07:55 |
kyak | would it run well detached from terminal? | 07:56 |
kyak | also, you need to remember to run it after reboot :) | 07:56 |
kyak | i think a cron job on boot would be better | 07:57 |
xiangfu | oh. that make sense. | 07:58 |
unclouded | can I get some space on http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/ to host some .ipk files before they make it in to the release? | 08:00 |
xiangfu | kyak: about "files/ directory in build script" | 08:01 |
xiangfu | kyak: I only can make sure. the the "files/" is at very last. | 08:01 |
xiangfu | kyak: the "define Package/nanonote-data-files/postinst" is for install new nanonte-data-files. for example. it can overwrite the files we want. | 08:02 |
kyak | xiangfu: i see.. i just don't have this files/ symlink in my build dir and didn't run into any issues yet | 08:02 |
xiangfu | kyak: but for the build progress. I don't understand what is the order of packages compile. so I just keep the 'files/' in openwrt root folder | 08:03 |
kyak | yo uare symlinking the same files you are copying later with nanonote-data-files | 08:03 |
xiangfu | kyak: oh. yes. | 08:03 |
xiangfu | seems all packages un 'qipackages' compiled at very last. | 08:04 |
xiangfu | also not many package overwrite '/etc/profile' ... :) | 08:04 |
xiangfu | s/un/under | 08:04 |
kyak | hm... | 08:04 |
xiangfu | kyak: one thing. I found 'opkg.conf' under target/xburst/base-files/ is overwrite by 'opkg' package. so I move it to 'files/' | 08:05 |
kyak | ok, so this is just the way for you to be double sure :) | 08:05 |
xiangfu | kyak: it's works fine before. | 08:05 |
kyak | ok, then i'll set up this symlink as well | 08:06 |
xiangfu | ping | 08:09 |
Last message repeated 1 time(s). | 08:10 | |
wolfspraul | xiangfu: you are there :-) | 08:10 |
xiangfu | kyak: yes. for double sure. | 08:11 |
kyak | fidelio seems to play ping timeout on xiangfu all the time :) | 08:12 |
xiangfu | kyak: I will test your wiki code after buildhost finish the 'trunk' images. thanks again. | 08:15 |
kyak | np - hope it works for you :) | 08:16 |
kyak | i already gave up and waiting for ben-wpan release | 08:16 |
wpwrak | kyak: what have you given up on ? | 09:45 |
xiangfu | wpwrak: he mean given up on SDW-823 wifi card. | 09:47 |
kyak | wpwrak: yeah, that one | 10:13 |
kyak | not working for me, whatever i try | 10:13 |
wpwrak | kyak: yeah, i've been following that story here on IRC. tragic, tragic ... | 10:21 |
kyak | if it isn't tuxbrain himself! | 11:42 |
kyak | tuxbrain: hi :) | 11:42 |
tuxbrain | hi :) | 11:42 |
kyak | tuxbrain: can i order atben/usb soon? :) | 11:44 |
tuxbrain | yes :) no definitive date yet, I claiming for it | 11:47 |
kyak | have you decided the price already? | 11:47 |
tuxbrain | kyak I'm still calculating I will annouce once I make sure on the final date and costs | 11:57 |
kyak | ok, sure :) | 11:58 |
tuxbrain | I'm still pending to do the test with wpwrak's prototypes ... I have the feeling I arriving late to everywhere... | 12:00 |
DocScrutinizer | quite possibly the better alternative to c-ts sometimes: http://www.youtube.com/viralsilabs#p/u/0/QvrB8cufv80 | 12:40 |
DocScrutinizer | silabs has some cute chips | 12:42 |
whitequark | can anyone who knows linux kernel internals point me to a best way of solving the task: wait for irq and then memcpy a lot of data | 18:54 |
whitequark | I'm thinking about tasklets, but not sure if it's the right tool | 18:54 |
GNUtoo|laptop | wait for an irq is to be done in an interupt handler | 18:56 |
GNUtoo|laptop | the interupt handler has to be devided in 2 part | 18:56 |
GNUtoo|laptop | bottom half and top half | 18:56 |
GNUtoo|laptop | you can learn about that here: | 18:56 |
GNUtoo|laptop | http://free-electrons.com/doc/training/linux-kernel/slides.pdf | 18:57 |
GNUtoo|laptop | if I remember well the top half has to complete quickely | 18:58 |
GNUtoo|laptop | to ack the interrupt | 18:58 |
whitequark | GNUtoo|laptop: thanks for the link, I'll read it | 18:58 |
GNUtoo|laptop | and to schedule for a later run a task | 18:58 |
GNUtoo|laptop | that will memcpy your lot of data | 18:58 |
kristianpaul | copy where? | 19:06 |
kristianpaul | s/where/to | 19:06 |
whitequark | kristianpaul: from memory to memory, there is a memory-mapped device which appears as RAM block | 19:08 |
kristianpaul | hmm interesting | 19:09 |
kristianpaul | i never used memcpy before, but looks usefull | 19:09 |
kristianpaul | ramblock, oh | 19:09 |
kristianpaul | that sound familiar | 19:09 |
kristianpaul | whitequark: what platformit is? | 19:09 |
kristianpaul | platform* | 19:09 |
whitequark | kristianpaul: that's a HDTV webcam on AT91SAM9G, a russian opensource project | 19:10 |
kristianpaul | cool | 19:12 |
kristianpaul | hi heberth :-) | 19:15 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: more fault analysis, mainly clock frequency http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e86997e | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/: new helper function for daemonification http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/43f179d | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-proxy/atrf-proxy.c: new option -b to background/daemonize http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1bfe86a | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: added section separators; expanded setup section http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/f5b1693 | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/dirtpan/dirtpan.c: new option -b to background/daemonize http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/81a8e13 | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: split into one file per topic http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e11d7b1 | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: adjusted heading level and section separators of topic pages http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/3d2bed5 | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: added up/prev/next links to topic pages http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/430a296 | 19:50 |
qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-xmit/atrf-xmit.c (xfer_one, usage, main): new option -v (verbose) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/558017e | 19:50 |
Jay7 | whitequark: hm... where can I read about that "russian opensource project"? :) | 21:25 |
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