#qi-hardware IRC log for Friday, 2011-03-25

qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb.brd: updated USB-A-PLUG-SMT footprint (fped put the layers wrong) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/74706cf00:23
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: prettygerbv: instead of changing the background, change the drill color http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/ccd830100:28
wpwrakxiangfu: good morning ! yet another fped bug has died :)00:40
xiangfuwpwrak: I will update the fped package :)00:41
wpwrakxiangfu: thanks !00:42
xiangfuwpwrak: small question about "YAFFS/YAFFS2 " for using the yaffs system. we don't need to format the flash. like format ubi? right?00:44
xiangfuwpwrak: we can just using "mount -t yaffs /dev/mtdblock3 /mnt" then copy file to it. then everything is ok. right?00:45
qi-bot[commit] werner: fped: mechanical holes had incorrect layers http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/78e4ba000:47
wpwrakxiangfu: hmm, my memory is hazy on that one, but i think you're right. you would just erase the flash parition and then yaffs should figure out the rest.00:47
wpwrakxiangfu: i know for sure that jffs2 works like this00:47
xiangfuwpwrak: thanks00:47
qi-bot[commit] werner: fped: mechanical holes had incorrect layers http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/78e4ba000:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian package stuff http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/b6807a700:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: clean up the Build-Depends. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/e394af800:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: use the new version rules. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/b17ed1a00:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian/fped.manpages  for install manpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/b9a636900:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5982, enable dh_auto_test http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/17dc8ff00:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: use usual name for orig tarball top-level directory http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/069e82f00:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update take svn rev: 5983 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/a6d21bb00:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove the Build-Depends ttf-liberation http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/21f2ae200:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5986 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/5fa603800:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: override dh_auto_clean, use make spotless instread http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/5ac0cb500:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add ghostscript to Build-Depends http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/ced96bb00:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update the homepage to help webpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/4a6827400:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r5997 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/ceaa51900:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: debian package update to 5999 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/a49bbd200:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r6005 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/acccaee00:53
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r6006 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/6396ca800:54
xiangfuwpwrak: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/fped/downloads/  done :)00:58
wpwrakxiangfu: great. thanks !01:19
xiangfuwpwrak: is there a way to write file to yaffs2 partition without boot to Linux?02:15
xiangfuwpwrak: just like the 'usbboot' flash ubi file to nand flash?02:15
xiangfus/?/.02:15
kristianpaulxiangfu: hi02:55
kristianpaulxiangfu: i dunno, but can urjtag help you on that?02:55
kristianpaulxiangfu: wellcome back?03:01
xiangfukristianpaul: :)03:01
kristianpaulxiangfu: tha yaffs2 question is related to mm1?03:01
xiangfukristianpaul: yes.03:02
xiangfukristianpaul: I just think we should ship with a lot of patches. and some wallpapers :)03:02
kristianpaulindeed03:03
xiangfukristianpaul:  I am not sure if the fjmem can take care /dev/flash5.03:03
kristianpauli wonder03:03
xiangfufjmem.bit03:03
kristianpaulhad you tried just dump yaffs2 partition and write it again?03:03
kristianpauljust curios and i wonder if it will work..03:04
xiangfukristianpaul: I try dd in rtems. it's not like linux version dd.03:04
kristianpauloh no03:04
kristianpaulxiangfu: fiy03:06
kristianpaul20938:10:57 < mwalle> lekernel: do you have a mkyaffsimage tool?03:06
kristianpaul20941:10:59 < lekernel> there's no mkyaffsimage that works with in-band tags (used with nor flash)03:06
kristianpaul20943:11:00 < lekernel> the response from the yaffs developer was "put the files on a test device, then dump its flash to get the image" ...03:06
Action: kristianpaul loves his logs03:06
kristianpaulxiangfu: so you see the point about dump data now ;-)03:07
wolfspraulso that means one needs an m1 to build an image that is installable on another m103:09
wolfspraultrue?03:09
kristianpaulyeah03:10
wolfspraulor we don't build an image at all, and let a running rtems on the m1 write to nor?03:10
wolfspraulrather than trying to get support for in-band tags into mkyaffsimage (upstream or not)03:10
kristianpaulrtems is different from yaffs data partition03:10
wolfspraulmaybe easier to forget about mkyaffsimage and use the yaffs code in rtems for the same purpose?03:10
kristianpaulwell you can also use rtems for that03:11
wolfspraulyes sure, but I am thinking how we get the files to the m103:11
wolfspraulif via mkyaffsimage, sounds like it will be difficult :-)03:11
kristianpaulyes :/03:11
wolfspraulno buildhost, unless you attach a physical m1 to the buildhost (just kidding)03:11
wolfspraulbut we can go via rtems03:11
kristianpaulbut03:11
kristianpaulrtems need pull data from somwhere...03:12
wolfspraulsure03:12
kristianpaulethernet !03:12
kristianpaulbuggy ;)03:12
kristianpauli think fix memory card bugs will help03:12
wolfspraulwell. we fix them one by one.03:12
kristianpaulsure03:12
wolfspraulmemory card is fiddly (for installation)03:12
kristianpauljust wich one first? :-)03:12
wolfspraulof course memory card bugs also need to be fixed03:12
wolfspraulin the end installation/flashing/updating should work in many different ways03:13
wolfspraulbut I think xiangfu is just thinking about the first way now, the one that works right away03:13
kristianpauldump!03:13
wolfspraulI guess it involves an m1 to be used to create a nor-compatible image :-)03:13
wolfspraulyep03:13
wolfspraulxiangfu: there will be some manual steps in your process :-)03:13
xiangfuyes.03:14
wolfsprauland we know some more bug areas now: mkyaffsimage cannot create nor images. rtems cannot pull data via ethernet (buggy) or memory card (buggy)03:15
xiangfukristianpaul: can you point me some document how to dump the /dev/flash5 in rtems?03:15
xiangfukristianpaul: what is the bug of pull data from memory card?03:16
xiangfukristianpaul: now I put all those patches files in memory card. so far never meet a bug.03:16
xiangfu512MB sd card.03:16
kristianpaulxiangfu: you mean you memory card is working??03:16
kristianpauldamm, mine not..03:16
kristianpaulhow do you format it?03:17
xiangfukristianpaul: work just fine. 512MB sd card03:17
kristianpaulcan you try with 1Gb?03:17
xiangfukristianpaul: in linux using mkfs.vfat.03:17
kristianpaulsame here03:17
kristianpaulis odd, i think i tried also 32Mb and 512MB using the adapter wolfspraul gave me and no luck..03:17
kristianpauldamm03:17
xiangfukristianpaul: yes. but it's need some time. tonight maybe. I don't have 1GB card now.03:18
wolfspraulwhat is your problem exactly?03:18
kristianpaulnot even get recogniced..03:18
xiangfukristianpaul: I will try all the sd card I have. 8GB and 16GB etc..03:18
kristianpaulxiangfu: (urjtag dump)  readmem03:20
kristianpaulxiangfu: ah rtems..03:20
kristianpaulxiangfu: hmm, dunno03:21
kristianpaulxiangfu: just write to memory?03:21
kristianpaulxiangfu: can you share a  mm1 boot log with your 512mb card inserted?03:23
xiangfukristianpaul: sure.03:23
xiangfukristianpaul: wait one moment.03:23
kristianpaulxiangfu: that fat partition is like /dev/sdc1 not just /dev/sdc right?03:25
xiangfukristianpaul: yes.03:25
xiangfukristianpaul: have you run 'fdisk' before 'mkfs.vfat'03:26
kristianpaulany special recomendation with fdisk?03:26
xiangfuI just delete all partition in memory card. then create one new partition. that's all.03:27
xiangfukristianpaul: the boot log: http://pastebin.com/GEtR1gfD03:27
kristianpaul#03:28
kristianpaulE: No FAT partition was found ?03:29
kristianpaulhow do you used rtems to write memory card, you did already isnt?03:29
xiangfukristianpaul: for now I just using 'mkdir'03:30
kristianpaulfrokm wich dir?03:30
kristianpaulfrom*03:30
xiangfuping03:30
kristianpaulpong03:31
xiangfu/memcard03:32
kristianpaulhmm03:33
kristianpauland you verified and in your pc tha data on the memory appear isnt?03:33
xiangfuwait one memont03:33
xiangfuI can not write. only read.03:33
kristianpaulsorry for ask all this i just want sure03:34
kristianpaulhmm03:34
kristianpaulwell may be re-mount03:34
xiangfusorry. I test mkdir in //flash03:34
xiangfuok. start now.03:34
xiangfu[/] # mount /dev/memcard1 /memcard -t dosfs03:37
xiangfumounted /dev/memcard1 -> /memcard03:37
xiangfu[/] # cd /memcard03:37
xiangfu[/memcard] # mkdir a03:37
xiangfukristianpaul: http://pastebin.com/pqeNg6JL03:37
kristianpaulmy boot log btw http://paste.debian.net/111923/03:37
kristianpauloh good!03:38
xiangfuthe first 'ls' show the 'a' but then it  disappear.03:38
kristianpaulhmm03:38
xiangfuyou have the "E: Unable to initialize memory card driver"03:39
xiangfuI don't have that error in my boot log03:40
kristianpaulthats a nokia 1Gb memory card03:40
kristianpauli found a 512Mb03:40
kristianpauli'll try03:40
kristianpaulaw: i feel a bit loose the memory card on the mm1 8:10 card holder03:43
kristianpauli guess is okay..03:43
awyou means J19?03:44
kristianpaulsame issue with the 512Mb.. xiangfu03:44
kristianpaulYes Sr !03:44
awwe apology that for that J19. a normal process the J19 should not be loosen.03:45
kristianpaulxiangfu: so you are the lucky man also probably boot rtems from the memory card03:45
kristianpaulis not SO loos but once locket it can touch the card and it loose/move a bit..03:45
kristianpauls/loos/loose03:46
kristianpauls/it/i03:46
awbut during rc2, there's a rework on replaced R147, R150, R149 area, so operator used air soldering method, so a heated air goes to blow J19.03:47
kristianpaulhmm03:47
kristianpaulaw: you understand my point is about the mechanical part that holds memory on the J19?03:47
kristianpaul(just to confirm)03:47
awso there's some mechanical weaken could be there.03:48
kristianpaul:(03:48
kristianpaulokay i'll ad a little paper and see if improves03:48
kristianpaulbut that rework you mentioned is very interesting to know, of course i dont find it related with my issue yet..03:49
awtoday I just rescued one board 0x1e which has never passed rc2. guess what caused? I don't know exactly03:50
kristianpaulaw: do you have at hand the link for the bitstream for making production tests?03:51
awthe one is always got high current around 0.65A without porting any s/w.03:51
awyou means 'bit stream' file ?03:51
kristianpaulyes03:51
xiangfukristianpaul: (jtag readmem): http://pastebin.com/94DpzesN03:52
kristianpauli want run that factory test before go sleep :-)03:52
awum... i have it but that one is built by lekernel03:52
awyou want to run factory test or bitstream?03:53
kristianpaulokay i'll buit  here03:53
kristianpaultest03:53
kristianpauls/buit/build03:53
awhttp://www.milkymist.org/test_tool/03:53
awthis is auto test program.03:53
kristianpaulyes that one !03:54
kristianpaultks03:54
awdo you know how to use it?03:54
kristianpaulyeah, i hope so, i read the pdf once and i'm aware flterm need to be used03:55
awpress middle button after typing "flterm ........."03:55
kristianpaulyou mean "power-on-lik"  button?03:55
awthen serial condole have outputs then immediately type 'ESC" key03:55
awpress SW203:56
kristianpaulserialboot from bios, yes03:56
awthen type 'serialboot' under bios, yes03:56
kristianpaulaw: figure 1 should look like in pdf?..04:01
kristianpaulcause the right/bottom figure is not the same.04:01
kristianpauljaa!!!!04:02
kristianpaul*** Running tests in category: Memory card04:02
kristianpaulCard initialization:                                                     [  FAILED  ]04:02
kristianpaulBlock read:                                                              [  FAILED  ]04:02
kristianpaul:'(04:03
kristianpaulokay i have _a_ problem here04:03
kristianpaulaw: can you point me the TP fot the memory card?04:06
awTest points for memory card?04:07
kristianpaulif there are..04:07
awTP16-DAT2, TP17-DAT3/CD, TP18-CMD, TP19-CLK, TP20-DAT0, TP21-DAT104:08
awhttp://www.milkymist.org/mmone/rc2_schematics.pdf04:09
kristianpaul;))04:09
awbefore you got fail, have you done for somethings about memory card?04:10
kristianpaulwell. not, i just put a memory card there04:11
kristianpaulalso used the usd-like to sd-like adapter04:12
kristianpaulbut same problem..04:12
kristianpaulwell i'll try tomorrow with the scope and see what could be wrong..04:16
kristianpaulthanks aw04:16
kristianpaulxiangfu: are you sure of those values?04:17
awkristianpaul, you're welcome, bbl04:17
kristianpaulxiangfu: eadmem 0 0x02920000 memory1_dump04:18
kristianpaulis a full dump04:18
kristianpaulnot your case but..04:18
kristianpaulgn8 !04:18
wpwrakxiangfu: (write to yaff2) hmm, if you just have a partition image, the same mechanisms should work. doesn't really matter what kind of file system you have inside.05:13
wpwrakah, i see the issue has already ben discussed05:14
kyakxiangfu: hi06:50
kyakxiangfu: do you have an idea why there is xfce related stuff in config.full_system?06:51
kyakspecifically, libxfconf and libxfce4util06:53
kyakwhich pull some other xfce related stuff06:53
kyaksome of which, in turn, fails to compile06:53
kyakbut most importantly, this doesn't work on Ben06:53
kyakxiangfu: in fact, i would disable xfce (and efl) feeds for good07:06
kyakthey all require X support07:06
xiangfukyak: don't know. yes. that is what I thinkg. just disable xfce.07:16
xiangfuI think those four feeds:07:16
xiangfusrc-svn phone svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/phone07:16
xiangfusrc-svn efl svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/efl07:16
xiangfusrc-svn desktop svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/desktop07:16
xiangfusrc-svn xfce svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/xfce07:16
kyakhm, are yo usure about desktop?07:17
xiangfunot sure. maybe <5 packages.07:17
xiangfuI mean those four feeds are for the openwrt freerunner image.07:17
kyaknot sure about libglade07:19
kyakwhich is in desktop07:19
kyaki'll try building without these four07:21
kyaklet'ss see how it works07:22
xiangfuthe 'tangogps' is under the 'desktop'07:22
kyakis it working?07:22
xiangfukyak: report error since there is no GPS in nanonote.07:23
xiangfu~17 package in desktop. 4 apps. : http://pastebin.com/akhwXAPB07:23
xiangfutangogps needs the gpsd: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/packages/gpsd_2.94-2_xburst.ipk07:24
xiangfugpsd needs get GPS from /dev/ttyS0.07:24
kyakok.. perhaps we could leave the desktop feed07:24
kyakbut xfce, efl and phoen are just useless and space consuming07:25
xiangfukyak: I just send out some patches email to openwrt. and CC to you :)07:34
xiangfukyak: all small fixed.07:35
xiangfufor trunk.07:35
kyakcool, i can see :)07:35
kyakxiangfu: i hope it won't be a problem for them to accept these and following patches, because all of them are in xburst/07:40
xiangfukyak: yes.07:40
tuxbrainxiangfu: I have succesfully set up a qt-creator build enviroment (finally) but I have to copy the following libs copy(link) the folloing libs  libdl.so.0 librt.so.0 and ld-uClibc.so.0 from08:38
tuxbrain$basepath/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/root-xburst/usr/lib/gcc/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/4.3.3/08:38
tuxbrain to08:38
tuxbrain $basepathr/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib08:38
tuxbrainTo make ld find them, I wanna make a tutorial to on how to setup qt-creator to develops apps for NN but this is a ugly hack, do you know how can be fixed in the origin?08:38
tuxbrainI'm using the SDK08:39
xiangfutuxbrain: oh. the SDK have on issue.08:39
xiangfusome script will using the buildhost path. so you should make a symlink "/openwrt-xburst.full_system" to your SDK folder.08:40
tuxbrain?08:41
xiangfutuxbrain: see the "http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Porting_programs" the "2."08:41
xiangfutuxbrain: sorry. "/home/xiangfu/08:42
xiangfu<tuxbrain> I'm using the SDK08:42
xiangfu<xiangfu> tuxbrain: oh. the SDK have on issue.08:42
xiangfu<xiangfu> some script will using the buildhost path. so you should make a symlink "/openwrt-xburst.full_system" to your SDK folder.08:42
xiangfu<tuxbrain> ?08:42
xiangfusorry.08:42
xiangfu(whey you select it in xchat. by default it copy them)08:42
xiangfuthe symlinks should be at : "/home/xiangfu/openwrt-xburst.full_system"08:43
xiangfusince I using this folder in buildhost for compile SDK.08:43
tuxbrainok, but I'm not using the SDK building scripts now, I'm using qt-creator directly08:43
tuxbrainbut I take note of this when I try to build a proper package08:44
tuxbrainxianfu:when did you plan to make a new SDK release?08:45
tuxbrainxianfu-> xiangfu08:45
kyakwhen i adapted some qt apps for Ben screen (like qstardict) or created new (like Tile) i used qt-creator only to test it locally. Then i copied the source files to build environment and used the regular openwrt Makefile to build it for Ben08:45
tuxbrainkyak yes but I'm also setting up an automatic upload&run on NN script to launch from qt-creator so with one click you see the app pop up in NN :)08:48
kyaktuxbrain: this sounds cool :)08:48
tuxbrainput on this some electric guitar soundtrack and another cool video to upload :P08:49
kyakindeed~!08:49
tuxbrainbut I want to make the related tutorial as clean as posible, and that ugly cp libs arrangement is annoying me08:50
xiangfutuxbrain: those libs should be at : staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib/ of openwrt.08:51
xiangfutuxbrain, kyak: I never using qt-creator before. can we configure qt-creator search this folder?08:53
kyaki believe this path can be added to .pro file08:54
kyaki don't know if it's ugly :)08:54
tuxbraincan be added to the qmake.conf?08:54
tuxbrainhow to put two dirs on a -rpath-link08:55
tuxbrain?08:55
tuxbrainI have tried an I fail08:55
tuxbrainthis is my LD conf now, how I modified it?08:56
tuxbrainQMAKE_LFLAGS = -L/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib -L/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib -L/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib08:56
kyaktuxbrain: separate by colons08:57
kyak(-rpath-link)08:57
tuxbrainthat's what I tried08:58
tuxbrain-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib,/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib/08:58
tuxbrainand doesn't work08:58
tuxbrainlet me try again...08:58
tuxbrainsorry without final "/"08:59
kyakcomma is not a colon :)09:01
tuxbrainwhat is a colon?09:02
xiangfu;09:03
xiangfu:09:03
tuxbrain; or :09:04
tuxbrain?09:04
xiangfucolon is ":"  or you can add another -Wl,-rpath-link (I am not tried. should work form document)09:06
xiangfu-Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib09:08
xiangfu-Wl,-rpath-link=/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/lib:/opt/xburstSDK/staging_dir/target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.30.1/lib09:08
tuxbrainheeheheh my irc client replace :/ with it's emoticon :P09:09
tuxbrainyeah it works :)09:11
kyaki tried emoticons in IRC once (before i completely switched to irssi) and found them controversal to IRC spirit :)09:22
tuxbrainwhy ?09:23
kyaknowadays some clients support avatars, i believe it's the same unecessary shit :)09:23
kyakcause IRC is cool as it is, all text09:23
kyakactually, i even switched to text emoticons in my IM clients09:24
kyakadd typing notification to IRC, video support, and then throw it away in trash together with other fancy IM protocols :)09:25
tuxbrainwho kicked me? :P09:26
kyakit's your client, it doesn't want you to hear th truth :)09:27
tuxbrainwell I must go to dentist ... (sigh), see ya later guys09:29
xiangfusee you09:29
kyakbb09:31
kristianpauloh sh1t :| https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/03/iranian-hackers-obtain-fraudulent-https12:53
wolfspraulkristianpaul: I think most browsers have a root certificate of the china whatever network organization as a 'trusted' certifier.12:56
GNUtooindeed that's a big concern12:56
GNUtooand it's nothing new12:56
GNUtoothat's in my top concerns of unfixed security problemns12:56
GNUtooother include:12:56
GNUtooldd on GNU/Linux12:56
wolfspraulthat borders on insanity, as I can guarantee you 100% that the Chinese governtment posesses the practical capability, and uses it in practical reality, to eavesdrop on sessions with certificates generated on the fly12:56
GNUtooand gnome's .desktop stuff12:56
wolfspraulif you think that is not happening, you are more than naive12:57
GNUtooindeed that's happening12:57
GNUtooldd is a script that can be abused to get arbitrary code execution with a crafted binary, nothing was done12:57
kyakGNUtoo: bash script can be written to execute the arbitrary code, too. Or did I misunderstand you?12:59
GNUtooyou mnissunderstood13:00
GNUtoosomeone gives you a crafted binary13:00
GNUtoolet's call it binary13:00
GNUtooyou do13:00
GNUtooldd ./binary13:00
GNUtooand it execute some code in binary13:01
kyakah ok13:01
kyaknot good at all13:01
GNUtoothe .desktop are also problematic13:01
kyakwhat's up with .desktop?13:01
GNUtoobasically let's say someone get user access to your computer13:01
GNUtoonot root13:01
GNUtoobut user13:01
kyakGNUtoo: is there a bug report/activity for ldd issue?13:01
GNUtoothen he replace some menu13:01
GNUtooyou can imagine the issue13:02
GNUtoobecause he could replace administrative stuff within the gnome menus13:02
GNUtooinstead of calling the normal program13:02
GNUtooit calls a different one13:02
GNUtooyou run it13:03
GNUtooyou see no difference13:03
GNUtooyou put your password13:03
GNUtooand boom he has your password and can become root13:03
kyakhm you are right.. But this is the only way for the user to overwrite systems menu himself?13:03
kyakhis ~/.local menu has more priority than system-wide13:04
kristianpaulgnome have many security issues, i discover the network manager cant detect changes between two access-point with same name (dunno if there is a bug for this)13:07
kyakyou shouldn't keep it to yourself :)13:07
kristianpaul:p13:08
GNUtooI know something even worse13:09
GNUtooand that could do huge damage13:09
GNUtoothe most dangerous command ever13:09
GNUtoois this channel logged?13:09
kristianpaulye13:09
kristianpauls13:09
kyakyes it are13:09
GNUtoook better not telling13:09
GNUtoobasically you tell that command to a newbie ubuntu user13:09
GNUtoohe will run it13:10
GNUtoofor rm -rf /* he won't13:10
GNUtoobut for this one he will13:10
GNUtooeven experienced people didn't know what the command did13:10
GNUtoo*really did13:10
kyakthere are numerous ways to obfuscate that rm -rf / :)13:10
GNUtoothat one is worse13:10
GNUtooif you really want to know PM me13:11
kyakcan you pm it?13:11
wpwrakrm -rf /  ... why ? just tried it and got no error13:11
GNUtooyes13:11
kristianpaulokay ,lets kick out here qi-bot ;)13:11
wpwrakthere are countless commands you can use to cause nasty damage. it's often sufficient to add some syntax error to config file to cripple a system for a newbie13:13
GNUtooI told to kyak and kristianpaul13:18
kyaknow we have the Sacred Knowledge ;)13:19
kristianpaul:p13:19
GNUtooScary too13:19
GNUtoothey can tell that the command is very dangerous....13:19
kyakanyone reading the log should now go and hide13:19
kristianpaulkyak: hahah ;)13:21
GNUtoonote that I found the command myself13:22
GNUtooI wasn't told by someone13:22
kristianpaulYou should file a bug or told doms distros to get a workaround i think13:23
kristianpaulat least to prevent13:23
GNUtoohmmm13:23
kristianpaul:-)13:24
GNUtoohow could that be prevented?13:24
GNUtooremoving the command is not an option since it's needed13:24
kristianpaula warning about what it should really do13:24
kristianpaulso user can regret before is late13:24
kristianpaulanyway :-)13:24
GNUtooit was not used in the wild13:24
GNUtooand I only told 4 people until now13:25
kristianpaulok13:25
GNUtooa university friend that is trusted, Cotulla kristianpaul  and kyak13:25
GNUtoono one of theses people really knew what the command did13:26
lars_what does the command do?13:26
GNUtooit's an equivalent of rm -rf /* under another name13:26
GNUtooand it's name has no indices on the fact that it rm -rf /*13:27
wpwrakdate >/dev/root? :)13:27
GNUtooworse13:27
wpwrakor, better: yes >/dev/root13:28
kyaki guess it's time we form the masonic lodge :)13:28
kyakonly 4 people!13:28
GNUtoolol13:28
kristianpaulxD13:28
GNUtooindeed it start to become out of control13:29
GNUtoomaybe I shouldn't have mentioned it13:29
GNUtoobecause everyone wants to know now13:29
kristianpaulyeap, but you DID ! :)13:29
kristianpaulrun way !13:29
kristianpaul:)13:29
GNUtoolol13:29
GNUtoosorry13:29
wpwraknow .. where's that bloody mkimage ... yet another great thing about getting rid if u-boot will be the elimination of that beast16:36
wpwraktuxbrain: any news about the data sheets ?16:40
wpwraklars_: what's the best way for working on the wpan extensions for the nanonote kernel ? make a branch on git://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git ? or keep it somewhere else ?16:48
wpwraklars_: i haven't worked with a public qit branch yet, so i don't know how high the risk of unintended consequences is :)16:49
kristianpaulwpwrak: you can clone it and make a wpwrak-branch later lars_ can safelly merge it..16:51
lars_wpwrak: since I can always reupload my local copy of the git tree in case you seriously messed something up, using a branch in qi-kernel.git should be fine16:53
wpwrakexcellent. let's keep all things in one place then. branch name ben-wpan ?16:54
Action: kristianpaul just give a small nock to his scope and the screen go on-line again16:56
lars_wpwrak: sounds good16:57
wpwrakkristianpaul: it's nice to see what you're doing, isn't it ? :)17:10
kristianpaulwpwrak: :)17:16
kristianpauli'm debuggin right now the memory card17:16
kristianpaulxiangfu's 512Mb card works17:16
kristianpaulmine not :/17:16
tuxbrainis gmenu2x killable? I try but it comes to live again and again19:26
xMffyou have to nuke it from /etc/inittab19:26
kristianpaulyeap :-)19:54
wpwraktuxbrain: no data sheets or at least a part number from the smt fab ?21:47
wpwraktuxbrain: and how did the visit to the master of torture go ? :)21:48
tuxbrainwpwrak: nothing dude :(, we must wait to the quote to see which refs they propose21:48
tuxbrainwpwrak: (MoT) nah he is a good artisan and I was listen good metal meanwhile , I was near to get asleep a lot of times :)21:50
wpwraktuxbrain: (torturer) so he gave you the good drugs :)21:53
tuxbrainhere in spain is not usual the dentist use drugs :) maybe some local anestesia, but no this time, just fix some little caries :)21:54
wpwraktuxbrain: (smt) grmbl. their response times suck a bit. well, maybe they didn't actually have the connector yet but just think they can find one that's 100% smt, and are searching now. that would explain why they didn't send the spec along right away.21:54
tuxbraintwo weeks ago he extract a teeth, and there yes he uses a loooot of local anestesia21:55
wpwraktuxbrain: (dentist without drugs) that's what you get for searching planes coming from south america :)21:55
wpwraktuxbrain: (i suppose the little incident with the medical plane from argentina caused some waves over there as well ?)21:56
tuxbrainwpwrak: (time suck) totally agree21:56
tuxbrainwpwrak: medical plane? what was that? any link?21:56
wpwraktuxbrain: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1341741-preguntas-y-respuestas21:59
kristianpaulpuf 944gk :S22:02
tuxbrainhohohoho, well whatever this type of drug will be not very conveniet to apply to dentist patient... you better need one that relax , and this one is totally the opposite :)22:02
wpwraktuxbrain: yeah, seems that the ship with the opium made it through fine :)22:04
tuxbrainsure that meanwhile police was keeping the eye to that plane, a cargo ship was happilly discharging in the other side of the map let's say Galicia ... police happy due he catch some bad guys, narcos happy due his plan goes fine22:07
tuxbrainpeople at ibiza happy due the party will not stop22:07
kristianpaul:-|22:08
tuxbrainmothers of the dead boy by overdoze crying...22:09
tuxbrainand on and on and on22:09
tuxbrainlet's change topic I'm starting to distract from coding with sad thoughs22:10
kristianpaulso qt is taking fast developing on your side?22:10
Jay7hehe.. come here, my father is dentist :)22:14
wpwraktuxbrain: hmm, let's see if this is a happier topics: did you sell any of those ubb-arduino cable kits ?22:14
wpwrakJay7: i suppose the anesthetic of choice would be vokda in this case ? should also help with keeping things properly disinfected :)22:16
Jay7wpwrak: hammer :)22:16
Jay7better than vodka even ;)22:16
tuxbrainnot a killer sell but some about 20  in individual units and a pair of 10x bags , but we gain a lot of visibility, I will try to keep things hot that's why I'm developing Nanokoder, but I thing I will return to the original idea of doing a more specific arduino oriented thing than a general editor22:18
tuxbrainmaybe I rename it22:18
kristianpaulah, no more editor?22:19
kristianpaulor you mean arduino IDE :-)22:21
kristianpaulhttp://www.dynamics.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18&sid=9bd88414764ecbe69fa560ef5adcffaf22:23
kristianpaulI dont get it "the change has to be accounted for in software"22:23
kristianpaulbah, lets just inject some clock and see what happens..22:24
wpwrakJay7: (hammer) good old russian pragmatism ;-)22:31
Jay7wpwrak: yep! :)22:31
wpwraktuxbrain: 30 units sounds like a pretty good start for something like this22:32
wpwraktuxbrain: and how's UBB doing ? still selling after the first wave ?22:33
tuxbrainkristianpaul: (qt is taking fast devel) well fast is not the word, is my first contact with Qt world, I have spended a lot of time setting up things and understanding, thanks to the Nanomap creator that helps me in the setting up I achieve to have a very good developent enviroment setting up, also his Nanomap code is real clear and understandable to have and idea how things works,also some parts are totally reusable like the fileselector, or the batt22:34
tuxbrainery and time layer, so I think next moves will be more productive in development.22:34
wpwrakrjeffries_: (ITead) ah yes, minimum via hole size. that's what separates the boys from the men ;-)22:50
wpwrakrjeffries_: a 12 mil drill isn't too bad, though. e.g., i use a 13.5 mil drill. i give my vias a 30 mil copper diameter, so even 15 mil holes would be acceptable. (rule of thumb: via hole:via copper = 1:2 (for FR4 PCB material))22:55
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: mknnk, nnui: kernel build scripts http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/3b2b91623:24
kristianpaulwolfspraul: hi, morning23:44
kristianpaulwolfspraul: Are you aware of people related with digital signal processing at the qi list?23:45
kristianpauli was thinking drop some questions there about that topic.. :-)23:45
tuxbraincourious if I launch the qt app trhough ssh as command it' doesn't clean exit, but lauched thoug a console from NN or trhough ssh yes it does....23:46
kristianpaulhe23:46
tuxbrainif lauched as ssh commant it let beutifull grey screen23:47
tuxbrainand in fact it's still showing on ps23:47
wolfspraulkristianpaul: no you are the pioneer. There may be someone, or maybe not. Just email and see whether anybody replies.23:57
kristianpaulokay23:57
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