#qi-hardware IRC log for Sunday, 2011-03-06

kristianpaulwpwrak: When you sample something from the usrp, does it handles the i/q data as a complex variable? or just a 16bit integer interleaved?01:05
Action: kristianpaul having problems understandig/interpreting signed number representations in C01:06
wpwrakit sends pairs of q/i integers. each pair is a single complex number ;-)01:06
kristianpaulyeah sure.01:08
kristianpaulI'm just debugging something here so i can have this bit2bloatbyte util done, and _finally_ send 16 bit i/q samples for processing :/01:11
wpwrakwow :) shouldn't this be a ~10 minutes task ? :)01:13
kristianpaulwpwrak: I had to learn C in the process tought :(01:15
Action: kristianpaul feel bad about that01:16
wpwraktalk about a nice learning curve ;-)01:16
kristianpaulhi akiwiguy01:17
kristianpaulwpwrak: yeah, i learn a lot the last weeks :-)01:17
wpwrakkristianpaul: i can imagine ;-)01:27
rjeffriesas a point of reference and yes I am aware, this example is not free...04:06
rjeffriesLG Optimus V is sold by Virgin Mobile for $150 USD no contract required04:06
rjeffriesis a decent 3.2 inch Android gadget, good specs. best of all they offer a reasonable service plan for$25 a month04:07
rjeffriesinckudes unkimited data and 300 voice minutes. naturally has camera and wifi04:08
rjeffriessomeone will root it soon one assumes04:08
akiwiguyour Ben has no camera, no touchscreen, no built-in wifi, slower processor, less ram, etc. and we are selling it for $99usd, $51usd cheaper than that phone. guess what one most people will go for.04:13
larscthere wouldn't be enough nanonotes to supply "most people" anyway ;)04:16
wolfspraulakiwiguy: ok, go on. what's your conclusion from this analysis?04:17
akiwiguywell, its not _free_, so i still want a Ben.04:17
wolfspraulakiwiguy: btw, are you aware of the Milkymist/Milkymist One project?04:18
akiwiguyyes I am04:18
akiwiguyi am a lurker on the mailing list, i hear everything04:19
larscimo the nanonote is not a consumer product04:20
wolfspraulhe, good [hear everything]04:20
wolfspraullarsc: I would agree, although we could probably focus for example on a pure dictionary image now that would make it a 'consumer product', however that is defined04:21
wolfspraulthe 02-23 image is by far not competitive with electronic dictionaries, but if we would focus on that for a few months, we probably could pull off an image that would be competitive04:21
wolfsprauland then we could claim 'consumer product' status, because several tens of millions of electronic dictionaries are selling each year04:22
wolfspraulbut I'm not into claiming ownership of certain categories, so at least for myself, I won't prioritize like that and instead I will continue to prioritize what makes the Ben more fun and interesting to me, and watching it grow over the long term.04:23
wolfspraulas of today, even with 02-23 image, the Ben is definitely not a 'consumer product' (although I am not 100% sure on the definition of that, let's say something that can sell in 1 million or more units)04:25
akiwiguyhmm, is vim included in the latest image?04:30
wolfspraulif not that would be a big oversight - a 'dedicated vi device' is how we got our first press coverage :-)04:35
akiwiguywhen I get my Ben, i'm installing the todo.txt cli, and copying some music to it.04:46
akiwiguyI will be my music player, a replacement for my old Palm III, and my note taking device for school.04:46
akiwiguyAnd, if I manage to get a wifi card, my IRC client.04:47
akiwiguyand i'll disable gmenu2x as well04:47
akiwiguybecause it looks horrible and clunky from what i can see04:47
wolfspraulakiwiguy: one by one, keep us posted about your Ben experience, it sounds like you are on a good path.04:52
wolfspraulPalm III, eh?04:52
wolfspraulman this is long ago04:52
wolfspraulis it still working?04:52
akiwiguystopped working a couple of months ago04:52
wolfspraulnot bad04:52
akiwiguyBrought it second-hand off TradeMe.04:53
wolfspraulI developed (proprietary) software that was shipped on most Palms for a number of years04:53
akiwiguy(the New Zealand equivalent of ebay, if you're wondering)04:53
wolfspraulI forgot whether we already worked on the Palm III, that's really a long time ago04:53
wolfspraulPalm V we did04:53
wolfspraulwhen it stopped working a few months ago, what broke/failed?04:55
wolfspraulwas it sudden failure, or slowly?04:55
akiwiguyi accidentally shorted the battery contacts04:55
akiwiguythats what blew it up04:55
wolfspraulthat's a sad end04:55
akiwiguyif i didnt do that, it would still be in use heaps today04:55
akiwiguyi used it for my to-do list, and tetris, mainly04:56
wolfspraulthe Ben will not be able to match it in usability right now, I think04:56
wolfspraulthe way Palm implemented the super-fast bootup time by keeping part of the memory powered in 'off' mode was great.04:57
wolfspraulthat truly 'instant' on alone is a big win for the Palm, compared to Ben04:57
wolfspraulthen they used execute-in-place from the flash, etc.04:57
akiwiguyjust keep it in suspend mode04:58
wolfspraulcan't easily beat that system04:58
wolfspraulok I talk about what we really have today, say with the 02-23 image, not what is theoretically possible04:58
wolfspraulsuspend works, but04:58
akiwiguyit crashes after a few hours04:58
wolfspraula) it is not well integrated into the image, I think you need to manually enter it on the command line04:58
wolfspraulb) correct. I hear that it crashes after x minutes/hours04:58
wolfspraulc) we don't know (or maybe just me) how fast the battery will run down in suspend mode04:59
akiwiguyhow long does the Ben take to boot? ~20 seconds?04:59
wolfspraulbottom line: in today's reality, suspend doesn't work for an 'end user', I think most of Ben users will always do a full boot/shutdown.04:59
wolfspraulyes, about 20 seconds04:59
akiwiguywell, thats acceptable05:00
akiwiguyi dont mind waiting for it to boot up05:00
wolfspraulmaybe we can bring that down, Lars did some great improvements recently, but we will most likely eat them up by mounting more of the NAND space05:00
wolfspraulthen we can look at some other big parts of the equation, like openwrt boot scripts, even some slowness in u-boot or very early power-on05:00
wolfspraulthe proprietary dictionary software we are replacing boots into a fully usable state in about 4 seconds05:01
akiwiguywhy does mounting more of the NAND slow bootup?05:01
akiwiguydoes it force an fsck or something?05:01
wolfspraulbecause of filesystem/nand behavior05:01
wolfspraulit's all just a matter of optimizations, no theoretical limits05:02
wolfspraulnot that many developers are on similar embedded systems and care about nand/ecc/filesystem speed optimizations, or they are not willing to do ugly hacks to ship a particular product, which is what will typically happen at a 'normal' manufacturer05:02
wolfsprauldevices on the market have 16 gb, 32 gb and more, bootup faster, and somehow make the space accessible. don't know how they achieve this in detail, but they do.05:03
akiwiguyan iPad with 16gb of flash boots up in ~10 seconds to a fully usable state05:05
wolfspraulI can imagine.05:08
Action: kristianpaul still having a booting palm m10105:11
akiwiguyRight, I've got to go. Bye everyone05:12
Action: kristianpaul begin to like more pointers, oh memory ! :-)05:47
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update package revision to 25513, xfce: using nls.mk http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8dbb66907:19
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system disable some demo and examples http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/88c5d4907:19
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst, add ubifs support http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3b49a0507:19
qi-bot[commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: Restore sdio fix for the spectec wlan card http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ce33cfd07:19
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: disable CONFIG_ALL, add Tile and gottet http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1c6527807:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config.full_system: add supertux, terminus-font http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7497bd307:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config.full_system: build gcc-mips, make, binutils as modules. Remove http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/636ce1a07:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config.full_system: remove "=m" packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a6cf3ff07:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: don't include ghostscript and fbgs into rootfs, build as modules http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d2893bf07:19
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: config.full_system: fix name of gnuplot package (was renamed a long time ago) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e206b9907:19
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add zgv, MPlayer, brainless http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/74e06ac07:19
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove custum banner, focus on 100% upstream, http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4e1515407:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config.full_system: add setterm http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c6edd1a07:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: config.full_system: include GNU tar http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8d348cd07:19
qi-bot[commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: [package] ks7010: Remove debug printks http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/390578e07:19
qi-bot[commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: [xburst] jz_mmc: Drop warning about spares irqs. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4dd279907:19
qi-bot[commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: [xburst] Improve mounttime. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/169e66107:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: have sound modules built in kernel http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1a8f93507:19
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: reflash_ben.sh, new option b k r, reboot device after reflash http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bb07d2607:19
qi-bot[commit] kyak: add sound options to default config, so that it won't popup http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9af7e9807:19
wpwrakakiwiguy: (kill gmenu2x) sounds like a good move ;-)08:04
wpwrakakiwiguy: (love the ben despite its shortcomings) even better :)08:05
wpwrakin my view, then ben is a foot in the door. its successor could be an open door. the next device after than could be entry into whatever is behind the door. and maybe the 4th would actually take possession of the place.08:06
kyakwpwrak: hm, sounds like a four-step world plan! :)08:49
kyak*world domination08:49
kyakdvdk: http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/DropbearPublicKeyAuthenticationHowto10:18
kyakshould help you with the public key auth10:18
kyakfor sftp, you could install openssh-sftp-server10:18
dvdkmaybe openssh-sftp-server should be included by default?  using gnome vfs for mounting is just very practical10:19
dvdkah, ok.  have to put authorized_keys to /etc/dropbear10:20
dvdkkyak: cool, works.  thanks10:21
kyakdvdk: my guess is that openssh-sftp-server would install only one binary sftp-server, which will be used by dropbear to server sftp requests10:22
dvdkkyak: yes, certainly.  rsync does it that way, too.10:23
kyakbtw, i prefer typing scp commands on Ben, rather then on PC :)10:23
kyakof course, in a ssh session10:23
kyak(including openssh-sftp-server by default) - why not?10:26
kyaki think we also need to include coreutils-sleep (busybox's sleep only knows integer sleep values) and use more functional procps (replacing busybox's crippled ps, top etc)10:29
kyaki already included gnu tar some ago, cause busybox's tar fails on some files10:30
kyakand really one thing that bugs me in ash is a lack of reverse-i-search (ctrl+r)10:32
kyakbut bash consumes at least twice as much memory as ash, so there is no option to replace ash :)10:33
virichow much is that?10:33
virichere I run bash with glibc, and it takes a VSIZE of ~4MB :)10:33
viricI wondered how much was due to glibc10:33
Jay7kyak: did you compared dash/zsh?10:34
virickyak: and the reverse search is up to readline, I think. Not bash.10:34
kyakviric: RSS is 512/984 (ash/bash), VSZ is 1636/203610:35
viricok, bash+glibc doubles that10:35
kyakviric: how to enable it in ash then?10:35
virickyak: is ash linked with gnu readline?10:35
kyakviric: ash is a symlinks to /bin/busybox, and there is no link to readline10:36
dvdkcool, mplayer is now drawing y,u,v to physical memory.  now i only need to tell the IPU to blit that stuff to the screen.10:36
viricbusybox has its own short readline implementation10:36
kyakJay7: nope. Don't what to use "another shell"10:37
virickyak: maybe you can enable a better readline in busybox10:37
kyakviric: i noticed that ash respects soem readline settings, so yes it does10:37
virickyak: I wonder how much of the bash vsize is 'anonymous memory'10:37
virickyak: so, code pages not counted.10:37
kyakviric: good idea. maybe ash can use fully functional readline10:38
kyakviric: how do i check?10:38
viricin the busybox build...10:38
kyaki mean, the amount of "anonymous memory" :)10:39
viric/proc/pid/maps has something about that10:39
viricbut it requires some processing I think10:39
viricI once had a script that processed those10:39
kyakviric: why don't you use uclibc anyway?10:40
viricI have some pieces that don't build fine with uclibc, iirc.10:40
viricglibc works straight away, and I did not get short on memory for what I run in the ben, still10:40
kyaki see!10:42
kyakdvdk: have you commited the patches by xMff already? i'm running a clean build after today's merging with upstream backfire, and it fails on gforth -\10:44
dvdkbuild for me last time i checked10:45
virickyak: I'm one of those not running the openwrt :)10:45
dvdkthink i committed.  only minimal patch anyways10:45
dvdkcan you send the log?10:45
kyakviric: sure, i rememeber :)10:45
kyakdvdk: one moment10:47
kyakdvdk: yes, it built fine last time i checked, too. But we had a big update today due to merge of latest backfire into our branch10:48
viricanyone good in gcc?10:48
viricI want to know in gcc what can be setting the preprocessor variable LARGEFILE64_SOURCE10:48
dvdkhmm, trying to update myself.  good opportunity to have a long break (during recompile :)10:48
dvdkbinary compatability still in place?10:49
kyakdvdk: very strange. It failed on "make". Then i ran make package/gforth/{clean,compile} V=99 > ~/10:51
kyaktmp/gforth.log 2>&110:51
kyakto reproduce the problem. And it build fine!10:51
dvdkmaybe an unset dependency causes the problem, so at the second attempt the lib was in place?10:52
dvdkdo i need to make clean?  or just make world?10:52
kyaki'm running make in a single thread, so all dependecies should be satisfied one by one...10:52
kyaki built is from scratch, just in case10:53
dvdkonly if DEPENDS line correctly set in gforth/Makefile10:53
kyakthis was the error during "make"10:54
kyaki wouldn't say this is a descriptive error :)10:55
kyakand also doesn't look like a reproducible.. perhaps you will stumble upon it during your build10:55
dvdknope, i see no proper error in your log.10:56
dvdkerror was in engine/prim-fast.i, however no output for that target10:56
kyakas you can see, "make[4]: `kernel/version.fs' is up to date." i.e. i ran make V=99 the second time, to see the error.10:57
kyakThen i decided to giev you the complete log, and the error is gone :)10:57
dvdkwell, waiting for recompile here.  let's see.10:58
dvdkok, i'm gone fore some time.10:58
viric-E -dD helped finding the largefile64_source11:00
kyakthe next fallout is libsdl_mixer11:13
kyak/usr/lib/libSDL.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format11:15
kyaknice, trying to use my host sdl11:15
xMfflibtool ftw!11:22
xMffis it autoreconfigured?11:22
kyakthough there is no according PKG_FIXUP11:23
kyakchecking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config11:24
kyakchecking for SDL - version >= 1.2.10... yes11:24
xMffcan you check the config.log ?11:25
kyakSDL_CONFIG=$sdl_exec_prefix/bin/sdl-config in configure11:26
kyaktrying to adjust sdl_exec_prefix accordingly...11:26
xMffI see11:27
xMff$ sdl-config --libs11:28
xMff-L/usr/lib -lSDL11:28
kyakxMff: i don't see that CONFIGURE_ARGS is actually passed to configure11:33
kyakCONFIGURE_ARGS += --with-sdl-exec-prefix="$(STAGING_DIR)/usr"11:33
kyakand there is no --with-sdl-exec-prefix to configure11:33
kyakoh no..wait a second//11:33
kyakxMff: http://pastebin.mandriva.com/2205311:40
kyakthis fixes it...11:40
kyakthis is openwrt feeds, so if you could commit it, would be great11:41
xMffon it11:41
kyakwaiting impatiently for tha pango build :)11:42
kyakxMff: thanks!11:42
kyakok, gcc-mips is the next one...11:50
xMffa well known error apparently11:55
xMffthere's an m4_copy_force()  :)11:56
xMffso I'd say  sed -i -e 's/m4_copy\(/m4_copy_force(/' configure.ac11:56
kyaki can't seem to find m4_copy at all!12:06
xMffwhats in configure.ac line 83 ?12:06
xMffok, acinclude.m4 line 4812:07
xMffwhats there?12:07
xMffac_defun ?12:07
xMffcan you paste it?12:07
xMffthe whole decl12:07
xMffline 5312:10
xMffchange it to m4_rename_force()12:10
kyakis there rename_force?12:10
kyakgood: )12:10
xMff"We yank the rug out from under the normal AC_* process by sneakily renaming the cache variable."12:13
xMffkyak: actually I think the rename call in line 60 is the culprit12:13
xMffbut jsut change both12:14
kyakyep, renamed both12:15
kyakso far so good12:15
xMffthats another reason why the autofail stuff is crap12:16
xMffone needs to fix random 3rdparty macros just to get the configure part running12:16
xMffmore time spent fixing the buildsystem than fixing the software12:16
xMffI recall some random package had a macro which sent m4 into an infinite loop...12:17
xMffvery nice for buildbots12:17
kyakhehe :)12:19
kyak../libmath/.libs/libmath.a(stubs.o): could not read symbols: Bad value12:24
xMffdo you pass $(FPIC) to the CFLAGS ?12:25
kyakadded it now12:26
kyakthe same error. though i see the -fPIC12:43
xMffbinutils fail?12:44
kyakno, they build fine12:46
wpwrakkyak: (world domination) aye ! :)12:47
xMffkyak: is there more context to this error?12:48
kyakxMff: one momet..12:49
kyakhave to run it again. But the error suggested to use -fPIC, just like you said12:50
kristianpaulwpwrak: Hey, Do you know something about rafa? i was told hi was moving away from buenos aires. but no news since some days ago..12:58
kyakxMff: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/gcc.log13:06
wpwrakkristianpaul: they already arrived and are working on getting back connectivity, which is not so easy in the distant deserts beyond the pampa :)13:06
wpwrakkristianpaul: we have a long weekend here, so he may not show up before wednesday or so13:08
kristianpaulwpwrak: ah, good to know :-)13:08
kyak/bin/sh ../libtool --tag CC --tag=CC --mode=link mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-gcc   -g -Os   -o libmath.la   stubs.lo  -lm13:10
kyakno fPIC there13:10
xMffkyak: exactly13:10
kyakit is passed down?13:10
kyak*is not13:10
xMffwell all stuff before and after has it13:10
xMffthe stub.o compile command is also way shorter than the rest13:11
xMffI think it ommits some vars there13:11
xMffyou need to check the generated Makefile13:11
kyaki have an idea13:12
kyakit is TARGET_CPPFLAGS :)13:12
kristianpaulOk, who is so nice guy to help develop this algorithm in C http://kristianpaul.org/~paul/tmp/acquisition_algorithm.png13:13
kyakxMff: since it's libstdc++-v3...13:13
kristianpaulI should not take more than some hours or even less for the expert ;-)13:13
xMffkyak: :)13:13
kristianpaulwolfspraul: look this logo is nice,isnt? http://pinguino.cc/img/logo-openhardware.png13:17
kyakwhat a stupid typo[5~13:29
kyakhave to recompile again13:29
wolfspraulkristianpaul: he, yes, not bad!13:30
wolfspraulalso it could be simplified even more to be more memorable13:30
wolfspraulthere is a problem with the analogy though - people will think open hardware is insecure ;-)13:31
wolfspraulit's very difficult conceptually to get across that open = secure13:31
wolfspraulso people will think 'with open hardware, I have no secrets', 'everybody can take my stuff', etc.13:32
mthkyak: CPPFLAGS is for the preprocessor, while -fPIC is a compiler option13:43
mthI guess you need either CFLAGS (plain C) or CXXFLAGS (C++)13:43
kyakmth: good point, however, in Makefile there are both $(CFLAGS) and $(CPPFLAGS) :http://pastebin.com/CjUCpMmp13:46
kyakbut no CXXFLAGS13:46
kyakit didn't work with TARGET_CPPFLAGS+=$(FPIC) anyway. trying with CXXFLAGS13:46
mthis the software in question written in plain C or C++?13:46
mth$(CC) would suggest plain C13:47
mth$(CXX) would be used for C++13:47
kyaki guess it's c++ cause it's libstdc++/libmath13:47
xMffkyak: it isn't13:47
mthso CFLAGS would be the right place to add -fPIC13:48
kyakok, it's already there. But doesn't work this way13:48
xMffkyak: I believe the stubs compilation is special13:48
xMffkyak: its the only one lacking the include paths for example13:49
kyakso should i patch the Makefile?13:49
xMffwell you should first check how it is called13:49
kyakok, i'll try to do that13:50
kristianpaul(insecure) good point :-)14:05
kristianpaulI think same question and answer from free software14:06
kristianpaulaudit good for secutiry, so the code is free and open14:06
kristianpaulbut yeah, long dicuss about that14:07
kristianpaulwpwrak: Reading our mail and checking the graphs right now, i noticed this small spikes, is that normal? what that means?14:08
kristianpaulFor me is not so good, but i just a poor opinion with no theoric base at all14:09
kristianpaulah well, comparing with this one http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/20110303/atben-20110219-5.png seems just manifests in the max wich is good i think14:10
kristianpaul"My test equipment is not calibrated, so some istortions will also come from there" I got my answer14:15
kristianpaul12Mb to 96MB, now imagine that when doing a bloating from a 30 second capture >:-)15:07
kristianpaulcan git status be sorted by date?. i did a lot of changes now i dont remenber wich go first, but i guess thats not important at the end15:20
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: Reorganizing some dump util location http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/10126aa15:23
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: New bit2bloatbyte util, so now data can be off-line processed as 16bi tI/Q http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/ac2867815:23
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: .gitignore tune and more repo cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/594ab6315:34
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: Some comments and explanations about bit2bloat tool added to notes http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/857135a15:34
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: Added comments for easy code reading http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/21c8dd415:34
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: Reorganizing some dump util location http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/10126aa15:37
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: New bit2bloatbyte util, so now data can be off-line processed as 16bi tI/Q http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/ac2867815:37
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: .gitignore tune and more repo cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/594ab6315:37
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: Some comments and explanations about bit2bloat tool added to notes http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/857135a15:37
qi-bot[commit] Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas: Added comments for easy code reading http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-gps-sdr/21c8dd415:37
kristianpaulhmm this bot should distinguish between branches15:42
wpwrakkristianpaul: (spikes) they shouldn't be there, but i don't know yet if they cause any real harm. i don't like them. will try to see if i can shrink them a little.16:15
wpwrakkristianpaul: (shrink) with that extra cap.16:16
wpwrakkristianpaul: some of them may also exist due to soldering problems. things like vias that don't connect properly or flux residues16:17
kristianpaulwpwrak: also how many reworks per board counts i think16:19
wpwrakkristianpaul: yeah, that too :) well, rework in this case usually meant to connect a via or to remove a solder bridge, so things converged16:20
Action: kristianpaul start reading about DMA18:53
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: usrp/sps/: use PATH instead of hard-coding relative paths in invocations http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/cb3e80f20:43
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: usrp/sps/Makefile: moved to 20110303 and adapted PATH http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/9100fdf20:43
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