#qi-hardware IRC log for Friday, 2011-02-04

kyakhaven't seen xiangfu for a while.. i guess the holidays are being harsh on him :)00:41
kyakare there power users of git who are capable of bringing openwrt-xburst up to date with the latest upstream backfire?00:42
kyakthere is important backport by xMff that we need to merge into our branch..00:43
wolfspra1lkyak: yeah, I wanted to point that out to you, you probably mean the post about the iconv system they implemented?00:46
wolfspra1lit read just like what we needed...00:46
kyakyeah, that one00:46
kyakit is exactly what we needed and an awesome job by xMff00:46
wolfspra1las for upleveling openwrt-xburst, I suggest we wait for Xiangfu's return. He went to his hometown and his Internet connection may be sporadic for technical and social reasons :-)00:47
kyaksure, waiting for xiangfu00:47
wolfspra1lkyak: well without speaking for xMff, I think feedback from you and others also helped in coming up with such a great first (and final) shot at solving it.00:47
wolfspra1lso from me: thank you!00:47
wolfspra1lxiangfu will return to beijing on the 8th or so00:48
kyaki was moaning, mostly :)00:48
kyakwolfspra1l: btw, always wanted to ask - do you have some kind of office in Beijing, and full-tim employees there (xiangfu among them)?00:50
wolfspra1lhome office00:51
kyakah, so it is remote job00:52
wolfspra1lyes, I work with xiangfu (and pay him) for several years now00:52
wolfspra1loh sure, we are all remote00:52
wolfspra1lyou too, no? :-)00:52
kyaksure :)00:52
wolfspra1lremote is the new local00:52
kyakoh, i misunderstood - no, i'm working in the office :)00:52
wolfspra1lhe. you are old school :-)00:53
wolfspra1lI don't think I will ever incorporate a company in mainland China, with office etc.00:53
kyakcause you are not Chinese?00:53
wolfspra1lno, how should that be related?00:54
kyakdon't know, what else could it be?00:54
wolfspra1lno, the reason is that in my mind the purpose of incorporation and formalities is legal backing00:54
wolfspra1lyou become part of some legal system, accountability standards, etc.00:54
wolfspra1lwhich is a good thing00:55
wolfspra1lit increases transparency, makes the company more trustworthy for business partners, financing, etc.00:55
wolfspra1lbut those are all the things you can never ever get in mainland China :-)00:55
wolfspra1lGoogle learned it the hard way00:55
wolfspra1lthe bad decision they made cost them billions of USD00:55
wolfspra1l_never_ trust the current communist party chinese government. never never ever.00:56
wolfspra1lif you do, you will learn a hard lesson one day.00:56
kyaki guess the problem of Google was that they didn't obey the rules00:56
wolfspra1lpretty much all people with extensive China knowledge will tell you this, including Chinese of course :-)00:56
wolfspra1lno00:56
wolfspra1ltheir problem was that they physically operated servers in mainland China00:56
wolfspra1lthat was a dramatic mis-decision00:57
wolfspra1la company (incorporation) in mainland China is a totally worthless entity. it lives on the everyday good will of the hierarchy. it can be shutdown, sold, raided, chopped to pieces, restructured, merged, or whatever else at any minute. with the power of a few phone calls.00:58
kyakwhen Chinese government tells your company to do something, why not just do it?00:58
wolfspra1lif you know that, you can open a company here00:58
kyakGoogle tried to play against the rules00:58
wolfspra1lsure if you accept total 100% control over you00:59
wolfspra1lno way00:59
wolfspra1lthe Chinese constitution guarantees all sorts of things00:59
wolfspra1lbut it is all 100% meaningless00:59
kyakthereis a proverb in Rusisan - something like "When you go to Rome you must do as the Romans do."00:59
wolfspra1lif you can accept that, you can incorporate a business here00:59
wolfspra1lyes, but the chinese government is not the chinese people01:00
wolfspra1lyou have to pick sides01:00
kyaknot like " When you go to CHina you do as americans do"01:00
wolfspra1lwhen you go to china, do as the chinese do01:00
wolfspra1lor01:00
wolfspra1lwhen you go to china, do as the chinese government does01:00
kyakheh :)01:00
wolfspra1lthe chinese government is a bunch of criminals that through endless sophisticated tricks and subtleties manages to stay in power01:01
kyakthere is >2 billioons of Chinese.. do you think they dislike it that much?01:01
kyakif they did, they wouldn't have such government01:01
wolfspra1lahh01:01
wolfspra1l:-)01:01
wolfspra1lcome to China01:01
kyakbut like it, apparantly01:01
kyak*they like it01:02
wolfspra1lit's a perfect prison01:02
wolfspra1lanyway, no company for me here01:02
wolfspra1lmy company is in Hong Kong, which is still safe. who knows how long.01:02
kyakok, i have to trust you here.. never been there01:02
wolfspra1lI am sure it will improve.01:02
wolfspra1l(in China)01:02
kyaki hope not the Egypt way01:03
kyakactually, there are serious concerns in Russia about chinese expanding to Siberia01:04
wolfspra1lthey first have to digest tibet and inner mongolia, and fully destroy the old cultures there01:04
wolfspra1land xinjiang01:04
kyaknot in military way, but just crossing the border and starting to dig and plant there01:04
wolfspra1lchinese eat slowly01:04
wolfspra1lyes sure, of course they will do that01:04
kyakbtw, have you ever been to nothern Korea? i guess if you compared in to China, China would look like a democratic heaven :)01:05
wolfspra1lfrom what I hear it is already happening. there are border towns where the russian side is deserted, people leaving to Moscow or larger cities.01:06
wolfspra1land the Chinese side is bustling, booming, skyscrapers etc.01:06
wolfspra1lthey will just cross the river slowly :-)01:06
wolfspra1lone day you wake up and have 50 million Chinese living on Russian territory01:06
kyakyes, this is happening.. too few people in Russia to occupy such territory01:06
wolfspra1lno I have never been to North Korea01:07
wolfspra1land it is very hard to go there. I've heard the only travel agency to offer tours there is actually in ... Beijing! :-)01:07
wolfspra1lthe adventurer in me wanted to call them for a little holiday trip, but then I like my work too much I guess.01:07
kyakor your health :)01:08
wolfspra1lxiangfu is from that area (the chinese side of the border), and it's a brutal border. lots of smuggling, people getting hunted and killed like animals, etc.01:09
wolfspra1lI don't want to go there.01:09
wolfspra1lhave some work to do here...01:09
wolfspra1lI hope north and south korea reunite, and the people in the north finally can have a life.01:11
wolfspra1lI really like south korea, as mysterious as it is there.01:11
wpwrakwolfspra1l: i could imagine that visiting north korea is pretty safe for western foreigners. the travel agency probably calls ahead when they have one, so that the killing gets suspended for a day ;-)01:12
wpwrakso, d-day in egypt ...01:15
wolfspra1lit must be surreal from what I hear01:15
wolfspra1lyou can actually do golf tours etc.01:15
kyakwith all the crap going on now in middle east it's hard to imaging how the world's map will look like in 20 years01:15
wolfspra1lin a country where hospitals have no heating in winter01:16
wpwrakkyak: the continents will be pretty much where they are now :)01:16
kyakwpwrak: not if the 3rd world war happens!01:17
wpwrakwolfspra1l: parallel universes for tourists are actually a fairly common sight. if the locals look embarrassingly poor, just fence them out. they don't need beaches or golf courses anyway :)01:18
kyak"parallel universes" - like that! :)01:19
wpwrakkyak: even then :) but i don't see much of a risk for that01:19
wolfspra1lkyak: you understood my point about Google earlier, I assume. Just to clarify - Google picked the side of the Chinese government, they should have picked the side of the Chinese people.01:33
wolfspra1lyou say "break the rules", but what do you do if the Constitution says one thing, but in reality every day it's a totally different thing.01:33
wolfspra1lwhat would you do?01:33
wolfspra1lsue the government? you can try01:33
wolfspra1lyou will end like Liu Xiaobo01:33
kyakno, i would just live my damn life01:34
kyaktry to earn some money, raise children etc01:34
wolfspra1lmany brave people do that actually01:34
wolfspra1lGoogle is on the right side now, no matter how much their marketshare tanks and how much the govt shuffles to their accomplices at baidu etc.01:35
wolfspra1lbaidu will never ever defend the rights of anyone, other than their own bank account balance, of course :-)01:35
wolfspra1lwe talked about Google01:35
wolfspra1lthe situation is really difficult in China, because the government itself is the criminal01:35
wolfspra1lthey break the law every day01:35
wolfspra1lbut they insist that the law is upheld, of course01:35
wolfspra1lthey know how to stay in power :-)01:35
wolfspra1lyou have to pick. give in an start oppressing your neighbors, or become a dissident.01:36
wolfspra1lthere is no honesty here, it's the price the society pays for this sytem.01:36
wolfspra1lthat's why 99% of the elite, party elite, business elite, tries to send their kids to foreign countries for study01:36
wolfspra1lthey all know the price :-)01:36
kyaki sure understand what you are talking about.. i didn't live in USSR for too long, but my parents did. But the thing is, there are positive moments01:38
wolfspra1lso the question for a company like Google is not "do we follow the Chinese laws or not"01:39
wolfspra1lthat is a very superficial way to look at it, already the first mistake01:39
wolfspra1lthe question is "what do we do if the government forces us to break the law"01:39
wolfspra1lthat's a difficult one :-)01:39
wolfspra1lin Beijing, the day you decide to register as a human rights lawyer was the last normal day of your life01:40
wolfspra1lyou can, of course. and some do, they try to hold up the law, the Chinese constitution. very brave people indeed.01:41
wolfspra1lit's interesting for me to watch how the google marketshare in China is now crashing down01:42
wolfspra1lpretty amazing01:42
wolfspra1lat least they corrected their mistake after 4 years, not too late01:42
wpwrakwolfspra1l: (human rights lawyer) i guess the proper procedure would be to become a party member first and then get assigned an undercover task :)01:42
kyakyou are saying it like Google is so white and good01:43
wolfspra1lI am specifically talking about Google in China.01:43
wolfspra1lI am happy about the moves they did last year, that's all.01:44
wolfspra1lit was very difficult for them, it's not easy to say goodbye to billions of dollars.01:44
wolfspra1lfrom what you read there was major disagreement over this among the top-3, with supposedly sergey from russia taking the stance that google should not give in01:45
wolfspra1lthat's all just gossip of course, who knows01:45
wolfspra1lmaybe it also was a factor in eric schmidt stepping down now. they will certainly suffer more in China now.01:45
wolfspra1lbut they did the right move, imho01:45
wolfspra1lonce you are in bed with the wrong woman - get out! :-)01:46
wolfspraulkyak: don't worry this is probably the only point where I would defend Google :-)02:00
kyakok, i was starting to get worried :)02:00
kyakbtw, the last time i got angry at google is when i did some search, and it lead me to Amazon. i was never registered there, but google (who else?) somehow gave them my e-mail and first name. So Amazon welcomed me but my first..02:03
kyak..name, but it looked like they are not sure - there we "it's not you? Log out" links everywhere02:03
wolfsprauloh sure, it's horrible02:10
wolfspraulI really need to stop using Google mx and jabber, better do it earlier than later02:10
wolfspraulalso still a bit of google docs, but not much02:10
wolfspraulgoogle analytics is already replaced by piwik02:11
wolfspraulalso the search quality is so bad lately, I think those content farms with people writing tons of crap pages are taking over02:11
wolfsprauland google is not aggressively kicking them out because ... there are so many google ads on those sites :-)02:11
wolfspraulin parallel apple is building its pay content universe. oh well :-)02:12
wolfspraulfreedom is a bit chaotic sometimes, no? :_)02:12
wolfspraul:-)02:12
wolfspraulI still couldn't convince myself to regularly use Bing though, maybe I will at some point.02:13
wolfspraulif the google search quality goes down more. reminds me of the altavista days.02:13
kyakyeah, google is loosing positions in regional search here.. however i like gmail and their spam filters02:15
wpwrakapple are doing their best to teach the world a few lessons about freedom and principles :)02:20
Action: wpwrak <3 google search, <3 google's DNS02:21
wolfspraulwhat? don't understand02:21
wpwrak<3 = heart02:22
wolfspraulyou use google dns? do they offer dns for the world as well?02:22
wpwrak8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.402:22
wolfsprauland they officially say this is a free service for the world?02:23
wpwrakand unlike the other "free" DNS, they don't send you a spam IP when the resolution fails02:23
wpwrakyup02:23
wolfspraulwow nice, didn't know that one yet02:23
wpwrakhttp://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/02:24
wolfspraulthe IT guy used to hold the least desirable tech position in a company. somehow google made it popular to be the IT guy for the world :-)02:24
wpwrak;-))02:24
czrone might also say that google gets more information about people's browsing habits this way03:03
Action: czr uses 8.8.8.8 as well though03:03
zrafaI think that I found a bug for pipermail and mailman at openmoko.org :)03:40
zrafaI wrote this mail: http://pastebin.com/hk9n8FTu .. and some line starts with "From". The web archive just shows the body until that "From" line :) : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2011-February/064280.html03:41
zrafawpwrak: do you get the community mails from openmoko mailing list? I would like to know if the whole mail mine arrives, or just like web archives shows03:41
zrafaBTW, sorry for the off topic :P03:42
wolfspraulzrafa: pipermail has lots of bugs like that, it's pretty much unmaintained for 10 years or so07:21
wolfspraulI would switch to a replacement in a heartbeat, but haven't found anything good yet, that would justify the switching cost07:22
kristianpauloh china, seems here they have plans to build a small city in the north of the country (affortunatly i live in the south)07:45
kristianpaulkyak: work at office? i must travel office all days by 2 hrs :/07:45
kristianpaulthen move from a place to other, is good you met people and the city a bit more that others, but of course consume energy that been in office all day :(07:46
kyakkristianpaul: only 2 hours? you are lucky, it takes me 2 hours just to get to the office07:46
kristianpaulwow07:47
LunohoDwolfspraul: could you give me the url of that chinese company, which can reverse-engineer hardware boards?07:47
kristianpauli'll stop complaining :-)07:47
kyakkristianpaul: actually, on the 29th od December it took me 4.5 hours to get back home. heavy traffic in Moscow07:48
kristianpauland you live just Moscow !!07:48
kristianpauli live in a town 70km away from capital of my province07:49
kristianpaultoo much cars i guess07:49
kristianpaulpublic massive transportation is good for somethings i guess07:49
LunohoDkyak: use the metro, Luke!07:49
wolfspraulLunohoD: that sounds very broad, not sure what you want exactly.07:53
wolfspraulI had good experience with ma-tek.com, which is in Taiwan not China.07:53
wolfspraulheadquartered in Taiwan, they have offices in China too.07:53
LunohoDyes, this is what I need07:56
LunohoDthanks07:56
wpwrakzrafa: ("community") i have about 37 mails dated feb 01 or later08:17
wpwrakzrafa: 3908:36
rohwolfspraul: your cases are done11:25
steve|muh.. what crap is that.. you only can install the Xilinx ISE Webpack if you enable that spyware feature? "Enable WebTalk to send software, IP and device usage statistics to Xilinx (Always enabled for WebPack license)11:38
wolfspraulroh: just noticed today that your case already made it into wikipedia :-)11:40
wolfspraulhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware11:40
wolfspraulno idea who uploaded this, but someone already did in December!11:40
rohwolfspraul: hrhr11:42
kristianpaulsteve|m: http://lekernel.net/blog/?p=102312:04
steve|mkristianpaul: oh, neat.. thanks for the hint12:05
kristianpaulsteve|m: got a MM1 ?12:10
steve|mkristianpaul: no, but want to start playing with FPGAs.. I have a openbench logic sniffer which I want to use as cheap experimenting platform12:12
kristianpaulsteve|m: nice12:14
kristianpaulsteve|m: about the openbench, does it worth to buy?12:15
kristianpaulI wonder how usefull is his java-based GUI..12:15
kristianpauls/GUI/Client12:15
steve|mkristianpaul: it works quite well.. there is another java gui which is better than the original imho, and unfinished sigrok support12:16
kristianpaulah yes i remenber12:16
kristianpaul(sigrok) gui still odd for me, but protocol decode part is promissing12:18
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: atusb-pgm: leave CLK unused (reserved for boards needing an external clock) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/ecd9f4a15:59
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: uart/avrdude: moved avrdude.conf.in change for UART to separate patch http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/902494216:00
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: uart/avrdude: added patch for pin assignment of the ATUSB-pgm adapter http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/155763016:00
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: uart/avrdude: various corrections http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/9778f3f16:00
qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: nanonote-atusb.patch (avrdude.conf.in): reassign pins for latest atusb-pgm http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/375208a16:00
Action: wpwrak hates computers16:00
wpwrakalmost a whole day spent on chasing a bloody -1 that was missing :-(16:01
mstevenscomputers suck16:02
mstevenslet's all get jobs in sales16:02
wpwrakbetter finances. you do well, you get a bonus. you screw up and bring the world on the edge of collapse, you get a bonus as well.16:05
kristianpaul(finances) :-S16:07
Action: mstevens spent most of the last two days doing "why does apache segfault sometimes?"16:07
kristianpaulroh: had you quote the mm1 case in ponoko?16:22
lekernelwhat for?16:26
kristianpauli dont have a mm1 case16:27
lekernelso, you can get one from roh16:27
kristianpaulsure16:27
lekernelwhy go through ponoko?16:27
lekernelthey're expensive and they don't support our project16:27
rohis crap16:28
kristianpaullase cuter price?16:28
kristianpaulah expensive..16:28
kristianpauloh better you warned16:28
kristianpaulok16:28
rohah. and they dont have the right materials16:30
kristianpaulroh: you still having the wooden case?16:32
rohi dont have a complete kit around right now. but i can make some16:35
kristianpaulhow much this wood vesion will be?16:36
rohdunno.16:38
rohnot that much cheaper.16:39
rohsomething like 40E+tax or so?16:39
rohneed to go now. the bar is waiting16:40
kristianpaulgo16:40
kristianpaul:-)16:40
kristianpaulroh: you're not going to believe this, i quoted the m1 acrylic case with a local laser cutter suplier and the trought me a price of 12~ USD including acrylic !!!19:49
kristianpaulactually a sheet of 30 cms x 27 cms19:49
kristianpaulstill a minor detail about the labeling i hope that dint increase so much prices..19:50
kristianpauli still wonder19:50
kristianpaulcolombia is usually the best place to qoute stuff like this, but may things are changing and i dint notice..19:51
wpwrakkristianpaul: is or isn't ? :)19:53
kristianpauls/is/isn't19:54
wpwrakkristianpaul: besides, i'd love to see more local production of things. i really dislike that everyone seems to look at wolfgang if anything, however trivial, needs to get made. that's not the point of open hardware.19:54
kristianpaullookat  wolfgang for trivial things you mean?19:55
wpwrakkristianpaul: so if you can get roh's design locally produced, that would be excellent. not only would you get your case at a much lower cost, but it would also emphasize the whole point of this undertaking.19:56
kristianpaulactually now i'm curious about quouting bep-wpan related stuff with a local PCB suplier19:56
wpwrakkristianpaul: (trivial) hmm, let's take the most trivial of all, the universal breakout board. the first question is "wolfgang, how much would it be". come on. a piece of pcb :)19:56
kristianpaulyes, copyleft hardware is about you can do copyleft hardware using copyleft plans as well, isnt? :)19:57
kristianpaulwpwrak: ;)19:57
wpwrakthere are of course issues with producing things. particularly mechanical stuff can be tricky. file formats, tolerances, conventions for representing things, etc.19:58
kristianpaulyes, i remenber firsr SIE board were produced here in bogota.. all was delayed and moving from one suplier to other...19:59
kristianpaulfor a bare PCB i think it was ...19:59
wpwrakso it's important to understand these. if we don't, all we have is a set of products that can be made at exactly one place, but where all the pretty design files are incompatible with the rest of the world.19:59
kristianpaulmay be SMT but i'm not sure19:59
wpwrakor maybe they're not, but we'll never know.19:59
wpwrakmaybe SIE was too complicated. shouldn't be excessive, though.20:00
kristianpaul(are incompatible with the rest of the world.) good point20:00
kristianpaul2 layers seems not cause so much trouble but you already pointed the most common issues20:02
wpwrakis SIE only two layers ?20:02
kristianpaulsure20:02
kristianpaullet me confirm20:02
wpwrakoh. that should be easy then. DIY grade ;-)20:03
kristianpaulyeah !20:03
kristianpaulI have a friend in bogota same business as carlos but he started latelly he made a 6 layer board using a avr32, something kidn similar to gumstick20:04
kristianpaulHe ordered PCB from china i think, but solder all here20:04
kristianpaulit was SOOO messy and he wasted lots of time and money20:05
kristianpauli think from 10 PCB just 2 worked...20:05
wpwrak6 layers is where it begins to get difficult :)20:06
wpwrakwhere were the problems ? with the pcbs or the soldering ?20:07
kristianpauland the best parts all in Kicad !!20:07
kristianpaulSIE is 2 layers, i confirm20:07
kristianpaulwpwrak: i think mainly with avr chip20:07
wpwrakwhat was the problem with the avrs ?20:09
kristianpauli could not get it work with his modified oven so he finally found a small company in bogota that do SMT or some procedire with laser20:10
kristianpaulwpwrak: BGA packing20:10
kristianpaulpackage**20:10
kristianpaulwow atmel is really beating in touch technologies those days20:11
wpwrak(bga) ah yes, if you diy these, your yield goes down :)20:13
wpwrakthat is, unless you get yourself the right kind of rework capabilities. it won't be cheap, though.20:14
kristianpaulfreerunner how many layers is?20:24
kristianpaulthis guy is very smart i think now is trought making a radar  for selling to local army, mainly intended for ships20:30
steve|mkristianpaul: phones have 6-8 layers20:32
steve|mthe pirelli I grinded down had 820:32
kristianpaul8 !!20:33
kristianpaulthere is posible to have more layers?20:33
steve|mkristianpaul: (8 layers) convince yourself http://www.steve-m.de/pictures/pirelli_dpl10/ ;)20:34
steve|mhttp://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/10_Layer_Pcb.html20:34
kristianpauloh god (krishna?), rtems confirm my no end internal mind discussion abos tasks and threads... https://gist.github.com/81210620:35
steve|mHalogen Free Multi-layer PCB: 4 to 22 layers20:36
steve|muh.. 22 layers20:36
kristianpaulpirelli and sandpaper tecnique i remenber20:36
kristianpaulnice work btw20:36
kristianpaul22... :-|20:36
steve|mkristianpaul: yeah.. still need to do some writeup and post it on the ml (as I promised wolfgang)20:37
kristianpaulafter that 2 and 4 laters should be DIY ;-)20:37
kristianpaulsteve|m: will be great !20:37
kristianpaulsorry, i mean  4 and 6***20:38
kristianpaulsteve|m: are you rev eng pirelli schmatics using some OCR sofware from the pics you showed?20:43
steve|mkristianpaul: no.. guess this would't work really well.. I just loaded up all layers in GIMP and traced the stuff I needed20:47
steve|mmost of the schematics is the TI Calypso reference design anyway, but the special stuff like TSPACT wiring, jtag pinout etc. isn't20:48
steve|mplus tracing is quite fun.. like reading sourcecode is :)20:51
larscbut sometimes it hurts ;)20:53
kristianpaulsteve|m: i guess i gimp every layer have a separate color and transparencies? that should look very nice20:54
kristianpauls/i/in20:55
steve|mkristianpaul: colors don't work out that well.. I just fade between the layers.. if there's a via, I make a dot there, fade in the layer where the via ends and continue tracing there20:56
kristianpauli'll be waiting your mail :-)20:57
steve|mhehe.. actually I didn't even take pictures of the 'setup'..20:57
zrafajlime has a new mascost done by a user : www.ohnitsch.net/img/jlime_trans.png21:07
zrafanice21:07
kristianpaul:)21:11
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: Add gfortran compiler support to the toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f5119f522:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: configu.full_system: remove IB and Toolchain http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/06bb87e22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: using 'strip' instead of 'sstrip' http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f8ecc7022:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system, add math stuff and some new pakcages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/68cfe9122:20
qi-bot[commit] kyak: put qi openwrt-packages git on top in feed.conf http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/02b1b6422:20
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: use ccache also for C++ compilation http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f1339eb22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: enable the toolchain option for Octave and libgfortran http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bcd004722:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system-add-more-php5-modules.patch http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/651728122:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: add package sqlite2-cli http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/551af8f22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: feeds.conf add @revision to feeds.conf http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/986c01f22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: INSTALL_FGORTRAN needs those two options http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/869ccb422:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: add recently new packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6eb967d22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system remove sshfs, not working under dropbear ssh server http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/54d591522:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add vm.overcommit_memory = 1 sysctl.conf http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b6ebc5322:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: feeds.conf update packages revision to 25034 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ff0488b22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system include plplot-demo http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d48d84222:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: merge all_package and full_system to one http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/81f66cd22:20
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system, remove build uboot for avt2 n516 sakc http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/195062a22:20
qi-bot[commit] kyak: mplayer: use "tremor" as default audio codec http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fd199b222:20
qi-bot[commit] David Kühling: make libgfortran depend on @INSTALL_GFORTRAN toolchain option http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7acbfd122:20
wpwrakzrafa: very cute :)22:58
rjeffriesgood evening23:28
rjeffrieszrafa: +1 Jlime graphic is clever23:30
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