| wolfspraul | wpwrak_: you can try it out http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/wolfgang/kicad_patches/ | 02:49 |
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| wolfspraul | with pcbnew --help you see an overview | 02:49 |
| yizhang | anyone knows where is user's manual for sdcv - console dictionary? | 03:58 |
| yizhang | any doc will help | 03:59 |
| yizhang | after i get in, i am stock :( | 03:59 |
| yizhang | stuck | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Doc would love to help :-D | 04:00 |
| yizhang | DocScrutinizer: at least Doc made me laugh :D | 04:01 |
| kyak | yizhang: what kind of user manual do you expect? just type in! | 04:16 |
| yizhang | kyak: actually i only want to know some controls | 04:17 |
| yizhang | for example: to press which key to exit program | 04:17 |
| kyak | ctrl+c, obviously | 04:17 |
| yizhang | kyak: oh, thanks. we have use all sorts of key combinations for exiting the program | 04:19 |
| yizhang | kyak: have tried ctrl + q, esc, ctrl + esc | 04:19 |
| yizhang | just not ctrl+c | 04:19 |
| yizhang | bad luck | 04:19 |
| yizhang | kyak: thanks | 04:20 |
| yizhang | for next program, i have one more to try ;) | 04:20 |
| kyak | i guess i misjudged again what "common knowledge" is... | 04:20 |
| yizhang | or, know less is better than know more ... | 04:21 |
| kyak | that's a questionable statement | 04:22 |
| yizhang | ctrl+d also works :) | 04:24 |
| kyak | good, you've discovered EOF! | 04:27 |
| yizhang | i found that ctrl+d is to go back to gmenu2x | 04:30 |
| kristianpaul | yizhang: http://kristianpaul.org/~paul/tmp/sdcv.1 | 07:27 |
| kristianpaul | yizhang: Hello btw :-) | 07:28 |
| kristianpaul | Thats sdcv manpage, i guess open wrt ignores all documentation when building | 07:28 |
| kristianpaul | I hope it help you | 07:28 |
| wolfspraul | yes openwrt removes/ignores documentation, that's a bit of a problem on an offline/keyboard/screen device like the NanoNote | 07:29 |
| yizhang | kristianpaul: ah, thanks, let me check it out | 07:29 |
| kristianpaul | yizhang: if you open it with vim (with :sintax on) will help too, as is a bit confusing read manpages sintax at first try (at least for me) | 07:32 |
| kristianpaul | Finally my tuner arrives, http://www.mtmscientific.com/tuner.html, this will be first contact with HAM radion before and save me money tryin to buy a USRP ;-) (wich i dont *fully* understand how it works) | 07:39 |
| kristianpaul | s/radion/radio | 07:39 |
| wpwrak_ | kristianpaul: the price is much nicer than the usrp's :) | 08:17 |
| kristianpaul | wpwrak_: and i can listen satellite telemetry i think, :-) wich is what i wanted in short term | 08:18 |
| kristianpaul | wpwrak_: how was fireworks yday? | 08:19 |
| wolfspraul | wpwrak_: hey good morning! :-) I finished my first round of kicad hacking | 08:20 |
| wolfspraul | now awaiting your feedback... (not urgent, take your time) | 08:20 |
| wolfspraul | my rough plan is like this, let me know what you think... | 08:20 |
| wolfspraul | first I wait and see whether it works for you, and whether you want changes | 08:20 |
| wolfspraul | if you feel it's ok, maybe we can move kicad-patches to eda-tools, then I can directly commit there | 08:21 |
| wpwrak_ | kristianpaul: the party was nicely wild. everybody got wasted :) the ignition of the fireworks failed mysteriously. haven't analyzed yet why. so we set them off manually after all. some 800 explosions in total :) | 08:21 |
| wolfspraul | if you uptick the kicad version, I suggest you just comment out those patches, and I will maintain them | 08:21 |
| wolfspraul | oh wow! :-) | 08:21 |
| wolfspraul | ok let me finish the grand plan first. maybe in my next round of updates (after your feedback), I will already cleanup a bit more, make it more KiCad-style etc. | 08:22 |
| wpwrak_ | wolfspraul: (patches) great ! let me regain a bit more control of myself, then i'll have a peek | 08:22 |
| wolfspraul | then once it's a bit more stable, I will probably set it up on the server so that we can auto-generate a lot of files after commits | 08:22 |
| wolfspraul | oh sure :-) | 08:22 |
| wolfspraul | also at some point I can email the kicad list a bit see whether someone is interested | 08:23 |
| wolfspraul | but that's for later | 08:23 |
| wpwrak_ | wolfspraul: btw, maybe a "wolfgangmisc" project would be useful for hosting bits and pieces like this ? | 08:23 |
| wolfspraul | does this plan sound about right? | 08:23 |
| wolfspraul | that sounds like a junkyard | 08:23 |
| wolfspraul | it's a clean extension of kicad-patches, so I hope we can host your kicad patches and mine together? | 08:23 |
| wolfspraul | like I said I would just move them to eda-tools, sounds like the perfect place | 08:24 |
| wpwrak_ | (junkyard) yup, that's the idea. a junkyard is a clearly defined place where all the junk goes :) | 08:24 |
| wpwrak_ | yes, sounds good | 08:24 |
| wolfspraul | we will probably need to maintain kicad-patches for a while, if not for good | 08:24 |
| wpwrak_ | let's see what the powers that be think about them | 08:24 |
| wolfspraul | that's why I'd say eda-tools/kicad-patches | 08:24 |
| wolfspraul | oh it's not clean enough yet, see my plan above first I'm curious whether it works for you, then improve/polish, then use on the server | 08:25 |
| wpwrak_ | cool, you also bypassed the dialogs | 08:25 |
| wpwrak_ | (errors/warnings) | 08:25 |
| wolfspraul | I tried several things, getting the hang of it. | 08:26 |
| wolfspraul | like I said actually in many places they separate between gui and data nicely. | 08:26 |
| wolfspraul | so I would not submit the entire patch like it is, instead I would just point them to the patch, and then submit small improvements to make for a cleaner separation between GUI and data path inside the KiCad sources. | 08:27 |
| wolfspraul | that will help maintaining our cmdline patches. | 08:27 |
| wpwrak_ | sounds good, yes | 08:28 |
| wpwrak_ | just a moment ... need to reload dishwasher and get something caffeinated to drink ... | 08:28 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: added more spartan-6 documents to BOOKSHELF http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/394274a | 10:52 |
| lekernel | kristianpaul: you might be interested in this: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html | 11:03 |
| lekernel | a X server that sucks a little less than X.org... | 11:04 |
| lekernel | might work on the NN | 11:04 |
| lekernel | since most freet**d gui applications need a X server... | 11:05 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Andres Calderon: some PSU passive components values has been selected http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/a77e91e | 13:04 |
| andres-calderon | wolfspraul: nice commit. | 13:07 |
| kuribas | Hi, can I use the nanonote as a pda? | 13:14 |
| kuribas | Is there software that could be used or ported? | 13:15 |
| wolfspraul | andres-calderon: he, not much at all :-) | 13:21 |
| wolfspraul | I was traveling a bit and enjoyed the offlineness of dsv, but unfortunately I wanted to read more about the spartan-6 and couldn't... | 13:22 |
| wolfspraul | next time I have a few more docs now :-) | 13:22 |
| wolfspraul | andres-calderon: another thing, I've added a few command line options to pcbnew, you mentioned that you wanted to look into this as well, but I already got to it. | 13:23 |
| wolfspraul | once this is more stable (currently awaiting feedback from wpwrak_), I will bring it live on the qi server to automatically generate a bunch of files on commits | 13:23 |
| kuribas | How well does the nanonote run debian? | 13:24 |
| wolfspraul | which will in turn help projects like xue because we can review and comment faster | 13:24 |
| wolfspraul | kuribas: I'd say it's very limited. main problem is 32mb memory only. | 13:24 |
| wolfspraul | boot time is slow, I think 1-2 minutes. | 13:24 |
| kuribas | I see. | 13:24 |
| andres-calderon | wolfspraul: I saw the irc-log, is a great idea. | 13:24 |
| wolfspraul | you need a swap file on an external memory card for a lot of apps/actions. | 13:25 |
| wolfspraul | but it is possible :-) | 13:25 |
| wolfspraul | andres-calderon: yes sure. not just idea, we will bring it live, guaranteed :-) | 13:25 |
| kuribas | does openwrt have xorg? | 13:26 |
| wolfspraul | I see you are doing some more xue work - great! | 13:26 |
| wolfspraul | kuribas: openwrt does have xorg as a selectable option, but I think most all of us who use openwrt have never tried to build such an image. | 13:26 |
| wolfspraul | I believe openwrt has the full glibc as well, but all I know is people using uclibc | 13:26 |
| kuribas | Hm, jlime seems to be interesting, since it has a graphical interface. I wonder, could I use the nanonote as a pda (for appointments, etc...)? | 13:29 |
| wolfspraul | yes you can, although I cannot tell you from my own personal experience now which app really works well for that | 13:31 |
| wolfspraul | I use mine for note taking, playing music, and soon hopefully english-chinese dictionary if I can find one that has pinyin display... | 13:31 |
| andres-calderon | wolfspraul: I already selected a new regulators ICs. Still necessary to select the battery charger | 13:31 |
| wolfspraul | I wish I could use it for maps (openstreetmaps), but the client and ways to get maps to the device are not there yet | 13:32 |
| wolfspraul | then I would like to use it as a time tracker, I need to get a bit of discipline into my daily schedule :-) | 13:32 |
| wolfspraul | but no pim, sorry | 13:32 |
| kuribas | Something simple would do. On one of the screenshots there is a pim: http://www.jlime.com/wiki/documentation/user/nanonote/muffinman#sdl_on_framebuffer | 13:35 |
| kuribas | I might use this (a text based organiser): http://culot.org/calcurse/ | 13:46 |
| wolfspraul | I've heard that before, let me see whether it's included in the latest openwrt image... | 13:47 |
| wolfspraul | yes, it's in 12-14 | 13:48 |
| wolfspraul | yeah, just started and seems to work nice. well, there's an option for you... | 13:48 |
| kuribas | great :) | 13:54 |
| kuribas | Could I use a usb-mouse with the nanonote? | 14:33 |
| wolfspraul | no | 14:33 |
| wolfspraul | the usb port is client only, so you can only use it to connect to your notebook/desktop | 14:33 |
| kuribas | Is it limited by the hardware? | 14:34 |
| kuribas | Or the kernel? | 14:34 |
| wolfspraul | yes | 14:34 |
| wolfspraul | no, hardware. definitely. | 14:34 |
| kuribas | Ok, I see. | 14:34 |
| wolfspraul | no (sane) way to add USB host - many have tried :-) | 14:35 |
| Jay7 | hm.. I've thought NN have usb-host.. | 15:38 |
| wolfspraul | no, it doesn't | 15:38 |
| Jay7 | anyway, about using NN as PDA | 15:38 |
| Jay7 | some people are still using Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 (collie) as PDA | 15:38 |
| Jay7 | and Zaurus SL-C700/750 | 15:38 |
| Jay7 | pxa255/32Mb ram | 15:39 |
| Jay7 | but with keyboard and touchscreen | 15:39 |
| kuribas | How easy is it to type on the keyboard? I am also interested in playing interactive fiction (text adventures). I used to play them on my palm zire 21, which is broken now. But typing with the stylo is very slow. | 15:40 |
| kuribas | I wonder if typing on the NN is faster. | 15:40 |
| Jay7 | kuribas: keyboard quality is good imho | 15:40 |
| Jay7 | case is good even | 15:40 |
| wolfspraul | interactive fiction, nice! | 15:41 |
| kuribas | Typing goes reasonably fast? (after a bit of practice) | 15:41 |
| Jay7 | but small screen, small ram and no any mouse-like input method killing it | 15:41 |
| kuribas | Jay7: you don't need that for int-fic. I am not sure about the ram though... | 15:42 |
| Jay7 | kuribas: well.. just typing english text is ok | 15:42 |
| wolfspraul | kuribas: oh it should be OK. Nick Montfort bought a NanoNote and I think he likes it :-) | 15:43 |
| wolfspraul | we tentatively agreed to bring some of his works (Curveship etc) to the Ben, but progress is slow... | 15:43 |
| wolfspraul | at least upon Nick's suggestion we added frotz, for example | 15:44 |
| wolfspraul | http://nickm.com/ | 15:44 |
| kuribas | nice :) | 15:44 |
| Action: Jay7 still dreaming about motherboard/screen replacement/upgrade toolkit for Zaurus C1000/C3x00 | 15:44 | |
| Jay7 | I've seen OpenMoko people was doing something like for Neo | 15:45 |
| valhalla | I've had a NanoNote for about 3-4 hours and the keyboard looks nice :) | 15:45 |
| Jay7 | valhalla: hello here too :) | 15:45 |
| Jay7 | NN's case and keyboard quality is very good really | 15:46 |
| wolfspraul | I agree, but hey, I manufacture the thing so that is the textbook definition of 'biased', I guess :-) | 15:46 |
| Jay7 | but not sure about capability to get multiple simultaneous keypresses | 15:47 |
| Jay7 | anyway, for MUD-like games it should be fine imho :) | 15:49 |
| kuribas | Wouldn't it be nice if the next version had a touchscreen? | 15:49 |
| Jay7 | then it should have bigger screen | 15:50 |
| Jay7 | *larger | 15:50 |
| Jay7 | then it should have more ram and faster SoC/CPU | 15:51 |
| Jay7 | then it will be expensive :) | 15:51 |
| kuribas | I see. What about support for an external mouse? | 15:51 |
| Jay7 | at least usb-host is must have | 15:52 |
| zear | nn's keyboard is of a good quality, i agree, but longer typing on it is not the one of best experiences :) | 15:52 |
| zear | try to play nethack or frotz games on it for a while ;) | 15:52 |
| kuribas | zear: Isn't it better than on palm or a tablet pc? | 15:53 |
| zear | kuribas, well, i have jornada 720 and it's keyboard is a million times better ;) | 15:53 |
| Jay7 | kuribas: btw, Zipit may be interesting for you | 15:54 |
| zear | nn is fine for typing a phrase or two, but longer typing on it results in fingertips pain ;) | 15:54 |
| Jay7 | or Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000/C3000/C3100/C3200 | 15:55 |
| wolfspraul | yes I agree. I could compare it to a blackberry keyboard, I think it's almost as good as that. | 15:55 |
| Jay7 | they have very good case and keyboard but hard to find this time imho | 15:55 |
| wolfspraul | when you guys talk about palm keyboard, what do you mean? the treo keyboard? or the foldable keyboards (stowaway and such)? | 15:56 |
| wolfspraul | the NanoNote keyboard is as good, or better, than a Treo keyboard, but by far not as convenient as a stowaway, for anything more then 1-2 phrases/sentences, as zear said | 15:57 |
| kuribas | I used my palm with the stylus only :) I guess it cannot be worse than that. | 15:57 |
| wolfspraul | he. hard to compare stylus to real keyboard. that's mostly a matter of preference then. | 15:57 |
| zear | kuribas, actually, i find it easier to type with on-screen-keyboard on my freerunner than with nn's keyboard | 15:58 |
| zear | easier and faster | 15:58 |
| zear | nn is just not made for fast typing | 15:58 |
| zear | you have to use your thumbs to type, etc | 15:58 |
| wolfspraul | agreed. like I said, compare to blackberry keyboard... | 15:59 |
| wolfspraul | I think you can get quite fast on a Ben, tactile feedback is good. but it's thumb hopping stuff... | 16:00 |
| wolfspraul | we should include a little '2 fast fingers' game :-) | 16:00 |
| wolfspraul | like this, but for NanoNote... | 16:00 |
| wolfspraul | http://speedtest.10-fast-fingers.com/ | 16:00 |
| kuribas | The zipit seems limited. | 16:02 |
| ormris | Hello everyone! | 16:16 |
| ormris | Opkg can't seem to install packages. | 16:17 |
| ormris | I got it on the inet and opkg update works. | 16:17 |
| ormris | But it can't find any of the packages. | 16:17 |
| ormris | When I try to install them. | 16:18 |
| ormris | Even the snapshots file appears to have the right information. | 16:18 |
| Action: kristianpaul back | 16:47 | |
| valhalla | I have the nanowar edition, with jlime; it's missing jlime-pkg and opkg doesn't work, can I download it from here http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/misc/ and use it to get the package that contains it? | 16:58 |
| kristianpaul | valhalla: yup | 17:27 |
| kristianpaul | can you tell us more about (opkg doesn't work) | 17:27 |
| valhalla | which package is it? I tried a quick search but couldn't find it | 17:27 |
| kuribas | zear: Why do you think the zipit is easier to type on? It looks the same size to me... | 17:28 |
| valhalla | opkg gets killed by the OOM manager | 17:28 |
| valhalla | (when trying to install packages) | 17:28 |
| kristianpaul | oh sure | 17:28 |
| zear | kuribas, never had one, so can only guess. But it looks like it has one of that rubber pad thingies phones keyboards have | 17:28 |
| zear | so it should be far worse to type on | 17:29 |
| kristianpaul | valhalla: get this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/jlime/misc/jlime-pkg | 17:29 |
| kristianpaul | valhalla: you should not install package on jlime using opkg un less you make sure you have swap, if not jlime-plg come to rescue | 17:30 |
| kuribas | zear: Err, right. It was Jay7 who told me that :) | 17:30 |
| kristianpaul | get that file on the device | 17:30 |
| kristianpaul | ./jlime-pkg install foo | 17:30 |
| kristianpaul | will work | 17:30 |
| valhalla | kristianpaul: that's what I had found by googling :D I was wondering if there was a package that included that script | 17:30 |
| kristianpaul | but before, make sure you run opkg update | 17:30 |
| kristianpaul | valhalla: dunno | 17:30 |
| Jay7 | kuribas: imho both devices are very alike | 17:30 |
| Jay7 | kuribas: just choose one :) | 17:30 |
| kristianpaul | valhalla: but the script by itself is okay fot use, why you need a pacakge? | 17:31 |
| valhalla | kristianpaul: OCD, I guess :D | 17:31 |
| kuribas | Jay7: right. | 17:32 |
| kuribas | If I buy one, I'll port this game: http://vexed.sourceforge.net/ :-) | 17:33 |
| kristianpaul | (dreams with a frozzen bubble port) | 17:35 |
| kuribas | That's a nice game too. Too addicting though :) | 17:36 |
| valhalla | (btw, I've just written some 100 words on the NN keyboard as a test, and it seems to be working quite fine | 17:43 |
| kuribas | valhalla: I see, thanks. | 17:47 |
| kristianpaul | valhalla: good :-) | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | I enojoy write stuff on the nanonote when not have my laptop near | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | s/enojoy/enjoy | 17:57 |
| wpwrak_ | wolfgang: didn't have time to play with kicad yet, sorry. cleanup from yesterday's party is done. now off to the next one. busy time of the year :) | 18:38 |
| kristianpaul | http://pastie.org/1405804 | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | argg | 21:21 |
| kristianpaul | i need improve the simulation.. :/ | 21:35 |
| kristianpaul | argg cver lies me ! | 21:52 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-example-files: add track info to music file http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/83b8728 | 23:20 |
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