#qi-hardware IRC log for Friday, 2010-12-10

qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: setfont2: remove autostart by it's package http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5adb5f300:41
kyakkristianpaul: yes, the error in gettext01:14
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: files: disable atd, telnet, led in nanonote http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/20637c401:44
qi-bot[commit] werner: The box coordinates were not properly initialized in gui_draw_pad_text http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/177fe9c02:51
qi-bot[commit] werner: - test/tsort: "Aborted" doesn't get reported on all platforms, so we just http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/0bfba1202:51
qi-bot[commit] werner: The box coordinates were not properly initialized in gui_draw_pad_text http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/177fe9c02:55
qi-bot[commit] werner: - test/tsort: "Aborted" doesn't get reported on all platforms, so we just http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/0bfba1202:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian package stuff http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/680e64d02:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: clean up the Build-Depends. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/28af3a502:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: use the new version rules. http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/911f66a02:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add debian/fped.manpages  for install manpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/d75afd902:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5982, enable dh_auto_test http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/6ebf43a02:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: use usual name for orig tarball top-level directory http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/9d2da9f02:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update take svn rev: 5983 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/e1a04fa02:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: remove the Build-Depends ttf-liberation http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/d1ec14002:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to svn rev 5986 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/badfbe002:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: override dh_auto_clean, use make spotless instread http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/df1b45e02:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: add ghostscript to Build-Depends http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/edf47c502:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update the homepage to help webpage http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/8821d9602:55
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: update to r5997 http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/8b8041002:55
kyakxiangfu: regarding gettext, this patch http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/160-uclibc.patch seems to make it work for me..02:56
kyakkristianpaul: could help you, too02:57
xiangfukyak: there is another one. which is the same :) http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/tmp/200-fix-localename.c:2619-error.patch02:58
xiangfukyak: I have reported a bug in openwrt.org : https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/841302:59
kyakxiangfu: this is great, thanks :)03:01
zrafawolfspraul: all: please.. use the current nn to make a simple game console (without qwerty keyboard).. just few buttons around screen as gamepad. I will buy one.. So... when will it be ready? I want to compete against pandora/other closed hw fans08:03
zrafakristianpaul : you are the guy.. :) I need a gamepad on top of the current qwerty screen... I can donate ... beer?08:09
wpwrak_zrafa: how about a different keyboard layout ? more "game-friendly" ? :)08:11
wpwrak_zrafa: your options are: 1) put different functions to keys, 2) not place keys where there currently are some, e.g., the function keys, 3) make keys span more than one button position, 4) write/paint whatever you want on it.08:13
wpwrak_zrafa: what you'd have to do is make the buttons, then glue them together with a sheet of silicone08:14
zrafawpwrak_: it is hard.. it should have really strong buttons for gamers .. remember that gamers often : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMnN17tQ_-008:14
wpwrak_zrafa: good. so wolfgang sells more bens :)08:15
zrafawpwrak_: haha :D08:15
wpwrak_zrafa: you could perhaps add a nice analog joystick :)08:16
zrafawpwrak_: I would like yes :).. we need 8 keys for games.. like super nintendo game pad had08:19
wpwrak_well, you could make a game controller. and design a little board for the uSD slot that communicates with it08:21
wpwrak_kinda like the "serial port" idea tuxbrain brought up some time ago08:21
kristianpaul(ame controller. and design a little board for the uSD slot that communicates with it) sounds reasonable, *but* it suguest the screen may be separate from new game controller, so it dint look good considering its resolution and ben portability (you want hold it meanwhile playing)08:44
kristianpaulkyak: (patch)good, so i just need copy it on openwrt-xburst/feeds/packages/libs/gettext/patches/ and  make again?08:50
kyakkristianpaul: yes09:09
zrafakristianpaul: then that brings me to the original idea.. a gamepad on qwerty keyboard.. like this : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Gamepad_%28NeoPlay%2909:39
qi-bot[commit] Xiangfu Liu: mathomatic: add DEPENDS libncurses http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6b6a19409:39
zrafatuxbrain: we need your serial port idea09:40
zrafafor that09:40
tuxbrainzrafa: I have to "suspend" a lot of I+D projects for a while , but sure you can go ahead and do one yourself :P10:04
zrafatuxbrain: no skills for hardware.. well, just a little learned from werner10:07
tuxbrainzrafa:me neither, so what is the problem? :P10:08
zrafatuxbrain: and no much free time.. let me finish jlime on qi servers first, because it is ready to use.. just need a little of tasks and docs10:08
tuxbrainzrafa: sure :)10:08
zrafatuxbrain: you have.. i read your blog10:09
zrafadont hide!10:09
wpwrak_zrafa: it's easy: at hw_skills(t = X) = 0. hw_skills(t = Y) = HUGE_VAL. for some Y > X.10:09
wpwrak_zrafa: but yes, i agree with your priorities. jlime first ;-))10:09
tuxbrainzrafa: jejeje I'm just good in make people thing I know about something you know, a marketing guy10:11
zrafatuxbrain: marketing is my second name10:15
virictuxbrain: you disappeared for some days, is it?10:22
tuxbrainI must too ;(10:28
tuxbrainbut I'm in listening mode10:29
zrafahttp://profusion.mobi/node/1111:20
wpwrak_zrafa: nice :) and indeed, no surprise either :)11:25
kristianpaul(x11 benchmark) i'm surprised11:49
lekernelkristianpaul: what x11 benchmark?11:55
lekernelah11:55
kristianpaulzrafa: buttons i may need source that first, what you think about this one http://ur1.ca/2k4vb ?11:56
lekernelwho cares about benchmarks. take Android, iOS, Mac OS X, and a typical Linux desktop. which ones provide the best and smoothest user experiences? which ones use X?11:59
zrafakristianpaul: I have no idea :) .. something like a good game pad has11:59
kristianpaulzrafa: no idea... me either i'm not gamer12:00
zrafalekernel: so your question is .. .. should I use linux, mac os or android?12:00
lekernelyeah, if you care about usability, maybe linux isn't the best choice12:01
lekernelif mac os was just proprietary and not so laden with DRM and other crap like iTunes, I'd seriously consider using it12:02
zrafalekernel: btw, did you really try android?.. it looks no so smooth12:03
lekernelyes, i did, it's 100x better than openmoko and the n800/n900 for example12:03
lekernelthough it's not as smooth as the iphone12:03
zrafalekernel: ah.. you mean some specific device.. no android alone.. for example android on freerunner is 100x slower than any other freerunner distro12:04
zrafamaybe 1000x slower12:04
lekernelbtw, I don't have an iphone because it's so full of restrictions, but at least I recognize it's really good from a technical and design point of view12:04
zrafaI need more 000s12:05
lekernelalso the speed of X isn't the only problem, programming it is just hell12:06
lekernelso it pushes programmers to write shitty toolkits12:07
lekernelXlib/xcb is ridiculous12:07
zrafaI miss C6412:08
kristianpaulahh those are simple buttons12:08
kristianpaulhmm interesting12:08
Action: lekernel dreams of a system based on GNU/Hurd-libre with pulseaudio and sound output on a remote machine (because your soundcard isn't supported by the Hurd), X.org, a free clone of CDE and Openmotif12:11
lekernelX.org using the vesa driver of course, because there's a BLOB otherwise!12:12
lekernel(note that the vesa driver uses ROMed blobs, but since they're in ROM, they don't matter)12:12
lekerneland, and iceweasel and gnash for the web, ofc12:13
wpwrak_meanwhile, the rest of us are happy and productive with slightly less extreme systems :)12:14
kristianpaulwhats the point with that? i miss the conversation12:14
kristianpaul:D12:14
kristianpaul(mac graphs sucess) si not that because the put a GPU in every device they sell?12:15
kristianpauls/siis12:15
kristianpaulthink, how new are gpu in PC market compated with apple one12:15
kristianpauljust my point of view12:15
lekernelno, that's because of the software and of the design12:16
lekernelthe gpu is a normal gpu, and the ops that iOS do are supported on the lowest-end GPUs12:16
lekerneleven the milkymist tmu could support a significant part of the iOS graphics acceleration12:16
viriclekernel: aren't Macintosh drawing on screen with postscript? That's the neXtStep style, isn't it?12:23
lekernelyes, Mac OS X does that12:24
lekerneland yes, that was inspired by nextstep12:25
lekernelthough they improved it a lot, while GNUstep barely evolved12:25
lekernelactually, I even considered using GNUstep for MM, but since the developers told me I had to use X and they won't support non-X systems, I gave up12:27
viricghostscript is also not the best at speed processing postscript :)12:28
kristianpaulis freebsd also planning to replace X as they plan with gcc? ;)12:29
lekernelthey're using cairo... but maybe there is still the ghostscript layer in the middle12:29
lekernelsince they told me that X is an absolute requirement, I didn't look much further12:29
virickristianpaul: I imagine they have troubles only with GPL code12:30
viricand for what I remember, X.org is not GPL licensed12:30
kristianpaulviric: me to just curios12:30
kristianpaulcurious*12:31
lekernelviric: maybe they also have trouble with supposedly-free GPL code that is harder to understand and modify than the average blob12:31
viriclekernel: :) I would not be surprised12:32
lekernelhttp://www.advogato.org/article/701.html12:32
viric... prevents us from emitting debug/intermediate files ...12:34
viricimpressive.12:34
viricNice link you gave!12:37
viricI'll bother some GNU folks with it.12:37
lekernelah, BTDT, their defense is "it's an old policy that's being changed, but it's (slowly) happening"12:38
lekernelbut given the fuss they make for simple changes like http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46692 or http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=46261, I guess it won't happen anytime soon12:40
kristianpaulget fancy is not good, indeed21:33
kristianpaulyou waste time with posible bugs when you dont need then ;)21:34
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