| kyak | viric: gdbserver is working here. kind of... i didn't try flashing the image to Ben, it's too big | 02:55 |
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| wolfspraul | kyak: why is it so big? | 03:24 |
| kyak | wolfspraul: it was not a minimal image, it has stardict + dependencies | 03:45 |
| kyak | but it's still bigger than usual, of course | 03:45 |
| kyak | it is not stripped | 03:45 |
| wolfspraul | roh: you there? about tolerances of the connectors on Milkymist One... | 06:41 |
| wolfspraul | the ones you need to watch out for are: DC jack, line-in/line-out, and vga | 06:41 |
| wolfspraul | in that order | 06:41 |
| wolfspraul | the DC jack is pretty bad, because there was a back and forth about which vendor etc. so the footprint and connector do not provide a very tight connection | 06:41 |
| wolfspraul | what you can try is on your mechanical sample, you unsolder the DC jack, then you see the tolerance yourself | 06:42 |
| wolfspraul | I think for the DC jack, you need at least 1mm tolerance on each side | 06:42 |
| wolfspraul | the DC jack on your mechanical sample is the same as the one used on rc2 | 06:42 |
| wolfspraul | after the DC jack, the next 'worst' are probably line-in/line-out, and then vga | 06:43 |
| wolfspraul | all others should have fairly small tolerances because the PCB holes are holding them quite tightly in place | 06:43 |
| viric | kyak: what dependencies may have stardict? | 06:53 |
| viric | isn't it like dict? | 06:53 |
| viric | kyak: I still don't have a cross-build gcc in the nanonote though :) | 07:28 |
| kyak | viric: gtk2, for starters | 08:05 |
| viric | ah. | 08:11 |
| kristianpaul | sure gtk2 is not tooo slow? | 08:46 |
| kristianpaul | for ben as was for freerunner etc.. | 08:46 |
| viric | why would someone want stardict and not dict? | 08:47 |
| kristianpaul | dics | 08:51 |
| kristianpaul | i guess | 08:51 |
| kristianpaul | can you compare dic size in both? | 08:51 |
| viric | I don't know dics | 08:52 |
| viric | I only use dict. | 08:52 |
| kristianpaul | dictionary i meant | 08:52 |
| viric | I never used stardict | 08:52 |
| kristianpaul | also StarDict hav translation capabillites | 08:52 |
| kristianpaul | ahh | 08:52 |
| kristianpaul | is good | 08:52 |
| viric | but 'dict' has many clients, among others, console clients | 08:52 |
| kristianpaul | well i compared with gnudict in jlime | 08:53 |
| viric | dict.org I use | 08:53 |
| kristianpaul | he talking about startdict we can set it as default start and make look the ben as a dictionary again ;) | 09:00 |
| viric | . | 09:01 |
| viric | :) | 09:01 |
| kristianpaul | ha who needs a EMC, lets do wirinng :) | 09:08 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Juan64Bits: First functional example, ADC an Framebuffer Test http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/8d95564 | 15:14 |
| kristianpaul | juan64bits: screenshots?? | 15:15 |
| kristianpaul | (ADC an Framebuffer Test) | 15:15 |
| juan64bits | mistake... ADC and Framebuffer test | 15:15 |
| kristianpaul | hmm? | 15:16 |
| juan64bits | is an basic example.. using the diafgram bloack for read ADC data and show over frame buffer | 15:16 |
| juan64bits | *diagram blocks | 15:17 |
| kristianpaul | yes but how it look? anyway i'll ty thhe code later i must leave | 15:17 |
| kristianpaul | :( | 15:17 |
| kristianpaul | look i meant bacause the refresh | 15:17 |
| viric | I managed to run 'gcc' in the nanonote | 16:40 |
| viric | It's super slow | 16:40 |
| viric | When the RTC forgets the time? | 16:54 |
| viric | removing the battery? | 16:54 |
| Action: viric tries to build fossil in the nanonote | 16:56 | |
| viric | uhm missing zlib. bad try. | 16:59 |
| kyak | yes, gcc is pretty slow | 17:29 |
| viric | Is there any other option, to compile, let's say, C code? | 17:33 |
| viric | kyak: I just sent a benchmark to the mailing list. | 17:33 |
| kyak | thereis a picoc | 17:34 |
| kyak | it's a c-code interpreter | 17:34 |
| kyak | pretty small and fast | 17:34 |
| bartbes | or tinycc | 17:34 |
| kyak | viric: benchmark - interesting, i'll have a look | 17:35 |
| viric | tinycc builds for mips!? | 17:36 |
| viric | I mean... tinycc is the 'tcc', isn't it? | 17:36 |
| bartbes | oh, no | 17:37 |
| bartbes | I guess not | 17:37 |
| viric | kyak: an interpreter is not a compiler :) | 17:37 |
| viric | kyak: sorry. I wanted a compiler simply. | 17:38 |
| kyak | sure, sure... | 17:38 |
| kyak | it doesn't really matter in case of Ben | 17:38 |
| kyak | the only use case i see is compiling on the go | 17:38 |
| viric | on the go? | 17:39 |
| viric | GB> B0:>5 on the go? :) | 17:39 |
| kyak | and it doesn't matter whether it is interpreter or compiler | 17:39 |
| viric | ?> ?CB8? | 17:39 |
| kyak | 2 ?CB8 ) | 17:39 |
| viric | :) | 17:39 |
| viric | ?>?@>1C9 openssl speed 2> B2>Q< | 17:40 |
| kyak | in fact, i didn't find a lot of use for gcc in Ben | 17:40 |
| viric | neither I | 17:40 |
| viric | I thought it could help me learning mips assembly. | 17:40 |
| kyak | i got dissappointed when it didn't compile linux kernel (not enough memory) | 17:40 |
| kyak | :) | 17:40 |
| viric | (not specifically the instructions, but how the common operations work) | 17:40 |
| viric | lack of memory is a big issue there. Big nand, not bad cpu, slow nand, little memory | 17:41 |
| kyak | agree | 17:41 |
| viric | We are too used to abuse memory lately, though. | 17:41 |
| viric | 640KiB should be enough. :) | 17:41 |
| kyak | adding swap is not very helpful, it is very slow | 17:41 |
| kyak | i heard this phrase :) | 17:42 |
| bartbes | swap doesn't sound good for flash based disks though | 17:42 |
| viric | I try to use swap only for waiting processes, not for running | 17:42 |
| bartbes | I mean, isn't RAM supposed to be very volatile? | 17:42 |
| viric | Some day I should learn to adapt that 'swapiness' to my target of "only for waiting processes, not for running" | 17:43 |
| bartbes | won't this mean that if swap is needed it'll write a lot, fast? | 17:43 |
| viric | bartbes: swap can be used to put resident size of *waiting* processes apart. | 17:43 |
| viric | while another process is doing the heavy work. | 17:43 |
| viric | But I don't like if the OS decides to use the swap for the heavy work | 17:43 |
| bartbes | true, but it still implies semi-rapid change | 17:43 |
| bartbes | in any case swap data is supposed to live waaay shorter than your avarage file | 17:44 |
| viric | Well, I can afford if the mingetty or bash on the terminals I don't use go to swap, and then it takes a few seconds to come again | 17:44 |
| bartbes | I have no idea what the data sheet of the nand lists as the max num of write cycles | 17:44 |
| bartbes | but it doesn't help wasting them | 17:45 |
| viric | bartbes: "life of an average file"? I see this as a fantasy measure | 17:45 |
| viric | I still have to learn to use the softvol.... | 17:46 |
| viric | kyak: do you use softvol? | 17:46 |
| viric | My previous attempts were failed on that. | 17:46 |
| bartbes | viric: why? | 17:46 |
| viric | why? | 17:47 |
| viric | I mean... "why" about what? | 17:47 |
| viric | why I failed about softvol? Due to lack of competence I imagine :) | 17:50 |
| bartbes | ? | 17:51 |
| bartbes | oh | 17:51 |
| bartbes | no, I meant, why did you see that as a fantasy measure | 17:51 |
| viric | ahh | 17:51 |
| viric | Well, for some files I want them to live long. | 17:51 |
| viric | For some not. There are quite different circumstances for every file I use. | 17:52 |
| bartbes | sure, but there's an avarage | 17:52 |
| bartbes | :P | 17:52 |
| bartbes | maybe I should've said "avarage life of a file" | 17:52 |
| viric | I don't accept an average of something with a big standard deviation ;) | 17:54 |
| kristianpaul | juan64bits: i dint understand your last commit | 18:33 |
| kristianpaul | i cant see what changed/added :/ | 18:34 |
| juan64bits | the changes are related with the project "SIE Code Generator" | 18:34 |
| viric | yesterday I had to open the thin plastic over the board, that makes the keyboard... the 'down' key worked bad. I cleaned a bit it and it works fine again | 18:35 |
| kristianpaul | juan64bits: ahh my fault i dint realized i can get the diff file | 18:36 |
| kristianpaul | how i see that with git.. | 18:37 |
| kristianpaul | viric: you should report that on the list, adding a picture will help | 18:40 |
| viric | uhh | 18:43 |
| viric | I closed all the nanonote again | 18:43 |
| kristianpaul | ah np | 18:44 |
| viric | I don't think that would help much anyone :) | 18:44 |
| kristianpaul | who knows | 18:45 |
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