| kyak | xiangfu: hi! were you any luck getting rid of that "no job control" message? | 03:46 |
|---|---|---|
| xiangfu | kyak: no. | 03:46 |
| kyak | me to -\ | 03:46 |
| kyak | i think gmenu2x is detaching itself in a way, that such tricks don't help | 03:47 |
| xiangfu | kyak: when we run 'bash' don't have such message. so is that maybe busybox problem ? | 03:47 |
| kyak | xiangfu: maybe.. or maybe just bash silently ignores it | 03:48 |
| kyak | did you try if the job control is actually woprking in bash? | 03:48 |
| xiangfu | kyak: oh.. job control not working in bash. | 03:51 |
| kyak | bash is a good software, makes you feel better by being silent :) | 03:53 |
| kyak | xiangfu: about that "alsa .." messagfes... i think they are due to the fact that load_modules in /etc/init.d/boot is called later then gmenu2x is started | 03:54 |
| kyak | and gmenu2x is trying to do some things to alsa.. maybe adjust the volume level | 03:55 |
| kyak | but the kernel modules are not loaded yet | 03:55 |
| kyak | xiangfu: yesterday i tried redirecting all this crap from gmenu2x in /dev/null, but unfortunately, the io of child processes (ie.. shells) is redirected there, too :) | 03:57 |
| xiangfu | kyak: ok | 04:07 |
| xiangfu | the job control on 'ash(default)' and 'bash' not working. but in fbterm works fine | 04:07 |
| kyak | fbterm is a terminal emulator itself, ash and bash is shell only | 04:08 |
| xiangfu | ok. so shell must attach to one device (tty1, ttyS0) for make the jobs control working. right? | 04:10 |
| kyak | indeed | 04:12 |
| viric | Hello back | 09:53 |
| viric | question... | 09:53 |
| viric | is anyone using an ubifs *Without compression* in the nanonote? | 09:53 |
| viric | I wonder if it is a slowdown or not | 09:53 |
| rafa | viric: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/misc/misc.html#L_ubifs_compr | 10:01 |
| viric | I use lzo | 10:02 |
| viric | also jlime? | 10:02 |
| rafa | viric: zlib IIRC | 10:03 |
| viric | ok | 10:04 |
| viric | do you think it's a big advantatge? | 10:04 |
| viric | I mean, 2GB is quite a lot :) | 10:04 |
| rafa | viric: for that experiment lzo as you use looks sexy ;) | 10:04 |
| viric | I mean, lzo was the default | 10:05 |
| viric | I did not change anything :) | 10:05 |
| rafa | there is not a lot of more space with zlib, and the speed looks a lot better with lzo | 10:05 |
| viric | no wonder it's their default | 10:05 |
| viric | what about size, in jlime... a usual installation on the nanonote, does it take much? | 10:06 |
| viric | rafa: those tests do not show if the speed is CPU-bound | 10:06 |
| viric | rafa: I'd expect that the read speed would be higher, if the bound is the nand-reading speed | 10:06 |
| wpwrak | would be nice if someone made a comparison | 10:07 |
| rafa | viric: jlime currently uses the whole nand as just one partition for rootfs.. I mean, bootloader, kernel and rootfs | 10:07 |
| rafa | no datafs | 10:07 |
| rafa | viric: those tests could be different in nn, but well, those shows something to think :) | 10:08 |
| wpwrak | rafa: i think we have very slow nand, so the question whether the increased amount of data or the processing time is more important may get interesting :) | 10:10 |
| viric | wpwrak: I'll try to test a bit | 10:11 |
| viric | it can be changed at runtime for new files... so it should be easy | 10:12 |
| viric | btw | 10:19 |
| viric | I already decided to make public how I play with the nanonote | 10:19 |
| viric | http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/cgi-bin/nanonixos | 10:19 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: usrp: support DCT in addition to complex FFT http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/83d2162 | 10:26 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: ants: 80% antenna and adaptation of CAM script for various antenna sizes http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/404a0ee | 10:26 |
| rafa | viric: cool ;) | 10:27 |
| viric | I enjoy all this :) | 10:28 |
| viric | nice toy, the nanonote | 10:28 |
| rafa | viric: yep.. and it is one of the best being copyleft hardware | 10:29 |
| viric | yes | 10:29 |
| viric | I don't go beyond 500KB/s (average) transferring using ssh | 11:49 |
| viric | (dropbear in the nanonote) | 11:49 |
| kristianpaul | viric: can ou try netcat? | 11:50 |
| kristianpaul | are you sendint o NAND o usD | 11:50 |
| kristianpaul | is NAND using DMA ;-)? | 11:50 |
| viric | NAND | 11:50 |
| viric | nand with dma? :) | 11:51 |
| kristianpaul | i just womder | 11:51 |
| viric | is there a nand controller that can do dma? | 11:51 |
| viric | [ 0.930000] jz4740-nand jz4740-nand.0: Successfully registered JZ4740 NAND driver | 11:51 |
| viric | that's all | 11:51 |
| kristianpaul | seems not | 11:54 |
| viric | 50% flush_ubifs, 50% dropbear | 11:54 |
| viric | I remember wpwrak said much higher numbers | 11:55 |
| viric | here I go without compression... netcat from my PC (/dev/zero) to the nanonote (to /dev/null): 735kB/s | 11:56 |
| viric | 75% idle | 11:56 |
| Action: kristianpaul remenber is uboot have a NAND R/W test | 11:57 | |
| kristianpaul | i jsut wonder if the OS is limitng something | 11:58 |
| kristianpaul | (just curios) | 11:58 |
| kristianpaul | curious* | 11:58 |
| kristianpaul | viric: dd? | 11:58 |
| kristianpaul | last time i tried dd was not too much verbositty.. | 11:58 |
| wpwrak | ssh is very cpu-heavy | 11:59 |
| viric | wpwrak: the numbers don't change much... 90% of CPU for dropbear can handle all the USB bandwidth I see. | 11:59 |
| wpwrak | a better test would be to, say, untar a kernel or such | 11:59 |
| viric | (when ubifs starts taking 50% of cpu, then it goes down) | 12:00 |
| wpwrak | hmm, if this doesn't change much, then there are spare cycles for the UBI. this would mean that you're always limited by NAND speed. | 12:00 |
| kristianpaul | ssh heavy <- indeed | 12:00 |
| kristianpaul | 8 bits bus isnt? | 12:00 |
| kristianpaul | or 16? | 12:00 |
| kristianpaul | data bus* | 12:01 |
| wpwrak | thus, better compression might improve speed | 12:01 |
| kristianpaul | what abut another FS? | 12:01 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: i think so, yes. and ram is only 16 bits. | 12:01 |
| kristianpaul | Where is the 32bits system!! | 12:01 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 12:01 |
| kristianpaul | bus always are the bottleneck | 12:02 |
| viric | wpwrak: a netcat to /dev/null gives 735kB/s. there is no nand or ubi in that | 12:03 |
| kristianpaul | :/ | 12:04 |
| viric | (maybe I built something wrong. Who knows :) | 12:05 |
| wpwrak | viric: what happens if you just move data locally, without involving usb/ssh ? | 12:05 |
| kristianpaul | sdram can work at 32 bit data bus | 12:05 |
| viric | you mean to check the ubi cpu usage? | 12:05 |
| wpwrak | netcat seems indeed quite slow | 12:05 |
| wpwrak | yes | 12:05 |
| viric | sory | 12:06 |
| viric | netcat was in the PC | 12:06 |
| kristianpaul | ah? | 12:06 |
| kristianpaul | ahh | 12:06 |
| viric | in the nanonote I typed: cat /dev/zero > /dev/tcp/192.168.0.100/3000 | 12:06 |
| kristianpaul | that explaina bit | 12:06 |
| viric | I used bash for the connection. But most cpu is taken by cat. | 12:06 |
| viric | (~15%. 75% idle says top, in the nanonote) | 12:06 |
| wpwrak | top may misrepresent idle time. a better test is to run something at a low priority in the background. see how many cycles that background task has left. | 12:08 |
| viric | so you think that cat+bash maybe at 100% of cpu | 12:08 |
| viric | ? | 12:08 |
| viric | # time cp doom.wad doom.wad2 | 12:09 |
| viric | real 0m11.947s | 12:09 |
| viric | user 0m0.060s | 12:09 |
| viric | sys 0m5.730s | 12:09 |
| viric | 'sys' may be the ubi cpu time, not waiting for nand | 12:10 |
| viric | (12MB file) | 12:10 |
| wpwrak | viric: if cat, bash, and kernel don't eat all the cpu, that would mean that usb itself is the bottleneck. hard to imagine with high-speed usb. well, maybe check if the ben really registered as a high-speed device. | 12:10 |
| viric | I check... | 12:11 |
| wpwrak | also, is doom.wad cached when you start or not ? yuo can flush the cacke with blockdev --flushbufs | 12:12 |
| viric | mmm | 12:14 |
| viric | I forgot to mknod the mtd devices :) | 12:14 |
| viric | I can't flushubfs | 12:14 |
| viric | I don't know what we are testing, already :) | 12:14 |
| wpwrak | ;-)) | 12:17 |
| wpwrak | you could dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=100 | 12:17 |
| wpwrak | do this to two different files. that should clear out the buffer cache too. | 12:18 |
| viric | for sake of science | 12:18 |
| wpwrak | ah, and include a sync in the timing :) | 12:18 |
| viric | same numbers for both, and the sync took less than one second | 12:19 |
| viric | real 0m13.690s | 12:19 |
| viric | user 0m0.020s | 12:19 |
| viric | sys 0m5.240s | 12:19 |
| wpwrak | that's not so bad 7.3 MB/s | 12:20 |
| wpwrak | now, time dd if=file of=/dev/null | 12:20 |
| wpwrak | of course, nulls should compress really well ;-) | 12:21 |
| kristianpaul | xD | 12:22 |
| kristianpaul | how you get verbose mode in dd at openwrt.. | 12:24 |
| kristianpaul | ?¿ | 12:24 |
| wpwrak | for the next test, maybe use 100 MB of data from /dev/urandom. will take a while to generate, though. | 12:24 |
| wpwrak | dd and verbose ? :) | 12:24 |
| kristianpaul | i meant resume | 12:24 |
| kristianpaul | it fiinshed no speed/stats.. | 12:24 |
| kristianpaul | as in my computer.. | 12:24 |
| kristianpaul | uramdom is heavy | 12:26 |
| wpwrak | just use time dd ? | 12:27 |
| kristianpaul | ah | 12:28 |
| kristianpaul | he | 12:28 |
| kristianpaul | 1M count 100 takes real 15.856s | 12:28 |
| kristianpaul | sys 5.390s | 12:28 |
| viric | close to here | 12:29 |
| viric | then.. quite normal | 12:29 |
| kristianpaul | ah | 12:29 |
| kristianpaul | can i do FS on ram with the current kenrel? | 12:29 |
| viric | time dd if=file of=/dev/null | 12:29 |
| viric | 104857600 bytes (100.0MB) copied, 15.515232 seconds, 6.4MB/s | 12:29 |
| kristianpaul | why it tells you speed.. | 12:30 |
| kristianpaul | and not to me.. | 12:30 |
| kristianpaul | anyway | 12:30 |
| viric | you may not be using nanonixos! :) | 12:30 |
| viric | I use to test the speed with openssl.. | 12:54 |
| viric | what do you get? | 12:54 |
| viric | Doing md4 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 172734 md4's in 3.00s | 12:55 |
| viric | for example | 12:55 |
| kristianpaul | it sitll doing dd wiht ramdon | 13:00 |
| viric | :) | 13:04 |
| viric | the 100MB? | 13:04 |
| viric | I try. | 13:05 |
| viric | it takes time, yes! :) | 13:06 |
| kristianpaul | yes 100M | 13:08 |
| kristianpaul | B | 13:08 |
| viric | Well, I'm multitasking a bit... I want to test some things :) | 13:09 |
| viric | (but the test goes on too) | 13:09 |
| kristianpaul | then do it later | 13:09 |
| kristianpaul | i got at least 10 min so far to stoped | 13:10 |
| kristianpaul | /stoped/so i'll no stop it | 13:10 |
| viric | ok | 13:10 |
| viric | well, we'll see | 13:11 |
| viric | 104857600 bytes (100.0MB) copied, 480.781610 seconds, 213.0KB/s | 13:14 |
| viric | from urandom | 13:15 |
| kristianpaul | ah? | 13:28 |
| kristianpaul | oh wait | 13:28 |
| kristianpaul | used ramdom.. | 13:28 |
| kristianpaul | .. | 13:28 |
| viric | ahh | 13:31 |
| viric | then you have to press keys :) lots | 13:31 |
| kristianpaul | brb | 13:35 |
| Action: kristianpaul nap | 13:35 | |
| kristianpaul | 8m24.966s | 13:57 |
| kristianpaul | real | 13:57 |
| kristianpaul | 6m34.880s sys | 13:57 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: (random) use /dev/urandom, not /dev/random ;) /dev/urandom will make up fake random numbers if there's no real random data. that's good enough for what we need. | 14:02 |
| wpwrak | 12 MB/s with random data ? not bad | 14:03 |
| viric | hm | 14:07 |
| viric | 12MB/s ? | 14:07 |
| viric | why dd tells me 213KB/s ? | 14:07 |
| viric | you mixed seconds and minutes? :) | 14:07 |
| viric | rafa: uh. I lost again the link to the keyboard map | 14:15 |
| viric | may you find it again for me, please? | 14:15 |
| viric | qué desastre; lo perdí al saltar la luz, ya que se apagó la máquina con el irssi | 14:17 |
| viric | Btw | 14:18 |
| viric | do you have proper unicode in the console? | 14:18 |
| viric | I use fbterm meanwhile. | 14:19 |
| wpwrak | oh, right :) | 14:21 |
| wpwrak | quite bad :-( | 14:21 |
| viric | aha | 14:34 |
| viric | rafa: I found this keymap http://gitorious.org/mzcode/nanonotes/blobs/public/keymaps/us_bnn.kmap | 14:35 |
| viric | but I don't see it much in affect. | 14:36 |
| viric | effect | 14:36 |
| viric | Found http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/muffinman/keymaps/us_bnn.kmap, same contents as above. mmm | 14:38 |
| viric | Ah | 14:46 |
| viric | I noticed that 'loadkeys' does not complain, but 'dumpkeys' is not showing the updated keymap | 14:47 |
| viric | hmm I can't believe that file is the keymap I want | 14:58 |
| Action: viric wants the openwrt keymap... | 15:04 | |
| viric | With that keymap, shift-comma does not bring the backquote, but a double quote. | 15:11 |
| kristianpaul | wpwrak: what is for /dev/random ? | 15:19 |
| viric | rafa: please let me know if, with your keymap, shift-comma gives a backquote or a double quote. | 15:19 |
| viric | I mean shift-quote. That next to \. | 15:19 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: /dev/random gives you real entropy. but if the entropy pool is depleted, it waits for it to refill | 15:22 |
| viric | kristianpaul: /dev/random gets entropy from keystrokes, mouse moves, ... | 15:24 |
| kristianpaul | damn SIE is lying me ! | 15:29 |
| kristianpaul | at leat kicad layout.. | 15:29 |
| kristianpaul | least* | 15:29 |
| kristianpaul | ha that happen whe you use non-free software and just forgot update the kicad layout ;/ | 15:32 |
| kristianpaul | wich is not correct | 15:33 |
| Action: kristianpaul sigh | 15:33 | |
| kristianpaul | now lets verify other pins | 15:33 |
| viric | wpwrak: halt works now! I fixed a problem in my sysvinit | 15:50 |
| kristianpaul | ah just was 3v3 and GNDpins, seems no more | 15:59 |
| wpwrak | viric: (halt) great ! what was the problem ? | 16:02 |
| kristianpaul | ha 3V and still running, i wonder why manual said dont go less that 3.2 | 16:10 |
| kristianpaul | 16:10 | |
| viric | wpwrak: so... I did not have sysvinit programs in /sbin, and it had hardcoded references to /sbin. I fixed that so it finds the programs. | 16:25 |
| viric | Can someone check if the backquote in the nanonote console types a backquote? | 16:25 |
| rafa | viric: sorry.. was sleeping.. let me check the link of jlime txt documentation files | 16:43 |
| rafa | viric: i can not test right now.. my nn is 1000km far from me today :) | 16:44 |
| viric | oh! :) | 16:44 |
| viric | do you happen to understand keymaps? :) | 16:44 |
| rafa | viric: http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/muffinman/ | 16:45 |
| rafa | viric: you mean to fix the keymap file? | 16:45 |
| viric | yes | 16:46 |
| viric | I think it's broken | 16:46 |
| viric | I changed some word, and the key changed | 16:46 |
| viric | but I don't know how to make the backquote appear :) | 16:46 |
| viric | rafa: because I'm already using that keymap | 16:47 |
| rafa | :) | 16:48 |
| rafa | viric: so you alredy know the key code right? | 16:49 |
| viric | mm maybe. I changed one that said 'comma', and the key changed was that of the apostrophe. | 16:51 |
| viric | :) | 16:51 |
| rafa | viric: to know the exact code of the key you need the "showkey" command | 16:56 |
| rafa | and run it from console | 16:56 |
| rafa | press the key which should be bckquote | 16:56 |
| rafa | and check the code | 16:56 |
| viric | I was about to ask that :) | 16:56 |
| rafa | then modify the file and look for that code | 16:56 |
| viric | I switch on... | 16:56 |
| rafa | then there... you could try to modify the key with "grave" | 16:56 |
| viric | it's key 40, and shift is 42 | 16:57 |
| rafa | I think that "grave" is the word to make the backquote appear | 16:57 |
| rafa | s | 16:57 |
| viric | Aha! It says 'quotedbl' instead of backquote | 16:57 |
| viric | keycode 40 = apostrophe quotedbl | 16:57 |
| rafa | viric: no idea if the proper word is backquote | 16:57 |
| rafa | maybe it is grave | 16:57 |
| rafa | but no sure | 16:57 |
| viric | I'll check | 16:57 |
| rafa | great | 16:57 |
| rafa | remember load the keymap from console | 16:58 |
| viric | how come people use such a broken keymap for so long? | 16:58 |
| viric | sure sure | 16:58 |
| rafa | :D | 16:58 |
| viric | I've been an hour believing it was not loading the keymap | 16:58 |
| viric | I've straced and almost gdb-ed the loadkeys | 16:58 |
| viric | I simply could not believe that keymap was wrong :) | 16:58 |
| rafa | viric: well.. keymap file depends on kernel as well | 16:58 |
| viric | I know | 16:58 |
| viric | I'm using that from openwrt | 16:58 |
| viric | (2.6.35+openwrt patches) | 16:58 |
| viric | that matches the keymap, for what I understood | 16:58 |
| rafa | maybe nobody use the nn keyboard? :) (all doing ssh from PC?) | 16:59 |
| viric | uf :) | 16:59 |
| kyak | viric: what's you trying to achieve? | 16:59 |
| viric | type a backquote | 16:59 |
| kyak | ` this ?:) | 17:00 |
| viric | yes ;) | 17:00 |
| viric | and now from the nanonote | 17:00 |
| viric | rafa: backtick | 17:01 |
| rafa | viric: that is the proper word to add into keymap file? | 17:02 |
| kyak | viric: i guess you don't have the keymap that openwrt has? | 17:02 |
| viric | hm maybe I'm wrong. I saw it grepping, but loadkeys does not like it | 17:02 |
| wpwrak | interesting: http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0263/ | 17:02 |
| viric | kyak: do you have a nn around? | 17:02 |
| kyak | yes | 17:03 |
| viric | can you type backquote? | 17:03 |
| kyak | shift+button up to the red arrow | 17:03 |
| kyak | is a backquote | 17:03 |
| viric | fails here. it prints dblquote | 17:04 |
| viric | if you run showkey... | 17:04 |
| viric | what key do you get for that? | 17:04 |
| viric | (number) | 17:04 |
| kyak | and it is called "grave" | 17:04 |
| viric | ahh grave | 17:04 |
| kyak | keycode 41 = acute grave | 17:04 |
| viric | 41? you get 41? hm | 17:04 |
| kyak | acute is keycode 41 | 17:05 |
| kyak | shift + 41 is grave | 17:05 |
| viric | rafa: the keymap you gave me says: | 17:05 |
| viric | keycode 40 = apostrophe quotedbl | 17:05 |
| viric | keycode 41 = grave asciitilde | 17:05 |
| viric | kyak: is shift 42? | 17:05 |
| kyak | yes | 17:05 |
| kyak | wait a sec, i'll link you to openwrt keymap | 17:06 |
| viric | what kernel you run? | 17:06 |
| viric | kyak: please. I have a checkout of trunk, but I could not find it | 17:06 |
| viric | (:AB0B8 :8@8;8F0 >B;8G=> ?>:07K205BAO 2 ==) | 17:07 |
| viric | rafa: but isn't jlime using the openwrt kernel? | 17:07 |
| viric | kyak: I am running the openwrt 2.6.35 kernel. Maybe it's a difference? | 17:08 |
| rafa | viric: openwrt kernel is something general to say.. | 17:10 |
| rafa | viric: qi distribution uses 2.6.32 qi openwrt kernel | 17:10 |
| rafa | viric: lars works on 2.6.36 kerne I woud guess | 17:10 |
| rafa | viric: jlime uses 2.6.34 kernel from qi openwrt.. and blizzard from jlime is doing some work with latest lars qi openwrt kernel as well | 17:11 |
| viric | And all them have different keycodes from the keyboard matrix? | 17:11 |
| viric | How could all this become such a mess? :) | 17:11 |
| rafa | viric: and those kernel could be a bit different, maybe no with keyboard.. but i can not be sure | 17:11 |
| rafa | viric: maybe you need the keymap file from kyak :) | 17:12 |
| viric | Ok, so... I adapted that 'grave', and the shift-volume keys for scrollbuffer... and I'm happy. | 17:12 |
| viric | all the rest worsk | 17:12 |
| viric | Well, there is a circle over 'A' | 17:12 |
| rafa | cool | 17:12 |
| viric | which I can't imagine what it is. | 17:12 |
| rafa | an angel symbol? :) | 17:13 |
| viric | ° ? | 17:13 |
| viric | 5°C | 17:13 |
| viric | maybe this. | 17:13 |
| wpwrak | viric: it's a nordic character. i think something like a long "A" | 17:13 |
| viric | ahh | 17:14 |
| viric | in swedish it's an 'a' that sounds like 'o' | 17:14 |
| viric | (iirc) | 17:14 |
| kyak | viric: ok, maybe it's too late, but: target/linux/xburst/patches-2.6.32/500-modifier-keys.patch is a patch for linux-2.6.32.25/drivers/char/defkeymap.map, and then defkeymap.c should be generated, but it is in fact replaced.. | 17:14 |
| viric | but also other nordic languages use that. | 17:14 |
| kyak | ..with target/linux/xburst/files-2.6.32/drivers/char/defkeymap.c_shipped | 17:14 |
| wpwrak | prominently features here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angstrom | 17:14 |
| viric | kyak: ah you run 2.6.32 | 17:14 |
| viric | wpwrak: yes, I remenber the distro | 17:15 |
| kyak | viric: cyrillic in nn - yes, shows fine | 17:15 |
| viric | kyak: for me, only in fbterm. Do you use fbterm? | 17:15 |
| kyak | in fbterm is also fine.. have a look here: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/ben-cyrillic | 17:15 |
| viric | rafa: http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/cgi-bin/nanonixos/artifact?name=f1f9cfd07d6ee666725ee87af17f9716fc1c6a0f for whatever it is, here is now the new map I use. | 17:16 |
| kyak | this package add support for cyrillic input/output in console | 17:16 |
| viric | kyak: oh, input | 17:16 |
| viric | kyak: is it in openwrt trnk? | 17:16 |
| kyak | it's in openwrt-packages | 17:16 |
| kyak | this is a separate git | 17:16 |
| viric | I'll clone it | 17:17 |
| kyak | you should add it to feeds.conf | 17:18 |
| kyak | not really necessary to clone it by hand | 17:19 |
| viric | what is feeds.conf? | 17:20 |
| kyak | have you read http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image? | 17:21 |
| viric | no | 17:21 |
| kyak | you should :) | 17:21 |
| kyak | it will give you a kick start | 17:22 |
| viric | ahh | 17:22 |
| viric | I'm not very interested in 'building openwrt' | 17:22 |
| viric | I think I cannot run that in my system | 17:22 |
| viric | I'm not using a LSB GNU system | 17:22 |
| kyak | then why did you clone both openwrt-xburst and wanted to clone openwrt-packages? :) | 17:22 |
| viric | I cloned openwrt trunk | 17:23 |
| viric | I use the xburst patches there for 2.6.35 to build the kernel | 17:23 |
| kyak | ok then | 17:24 |
| viric | I don't use the "qi openwrt", I use "openwrt trunk" | 17:25 |
| viric | how bad is it? :) | 17:25 |
| kyak | i got it | 17:25 |
| kyak | who knows? | 17:25 |
| viric | This is what worries me. hehe | 17:25 |
| kyak | it's rather weird | 17:25 |
| kyak | using something in the middle | 17:26 |
| kyak | not the stable backfire (2.6.32.25) or latest qi-kernel (2.6.36) | 17:26 |
| viric | I'm taking notes of all this... let's try to summarize with some links. | 17:26 |
| viric | kyak: I used 'the latest' when it was 'the latest', but it's no more 'the latest', and I did not care to follow 2.6.36 still, because I'm not sure of the benefits I'd get. | 17:27 |
| viric | And at that time I even did not know people where not using 2.6.35. :) | 17:27 |
| viric | I'm quite new in all this. | 17:27 |
| viric | kyak: so, how do you know that the stable backfire is 2.6.32.25 ? | 17:27 |
| viric | kyak: and, is 'stable backfire' the name of anything official? any official download image? | 17:28 |
| kyak | cause we are following the backfire, that's why | 17:28 |
| viric | - if there is anything 'official', I don't know | 17:28 |
| viric | backfire is an openwrt major version? | 17:28 |
| kyak | yes | 17:28 |
| viric | (sorry, I really know little all this... I don't want to annoy) | 17:28 |
| viric | kyak: qi-hardware openwrt-packages branch is following backfire. It has 'features' one day to be merged into openwrt? | 17:29 |
| kyak | qi-hardware openwrt-xburst is following backfire, and contains additional features | 17:30 |
| kyak | then these features are picked and commited upstream | 17:30 |
| kyak | and then they return back :) | 17:30 |
| viric | ahh | 17:31 |
| viric | and what is openwrt-packages? | 17:31 |
| viric | in qi-hardware | 17:32 |
| kyak | there are packages, that are not ready yet to go upstream | 17:32 |
| viric | but in the usual openwrt, packages and 'xburst' are in a single tree, right? | 17:32 |
| kyak | openwrt base system is differenet from "feeds" | 17:32 |
| kyak | no | 17:32 |
| kyak | that's the point | 17:32 |
| kyak | "OpenWrt uses so called "feeds" which provide packages for software beyond the default minimal system." | 17:32 |
| viric | ah | 17:33 |
| viric | openwrt-packages is a feed for that? | 17:33 |
| kyak | yes, it's one of the feeds | 17:34 |
| viric | openwrt-xburst is also a feed? | 17:34 |
| kyak | no, it's following backfire, the base system | 17:34 |
| viric | Ahhh | 17:34 |
| viric | I think now I get it :) | 17:35 |
| viric | is openwrt-packages any related to 'backfire'? | 17:35 |
| viric | openwrt stable is not openwrt, trunk, right? | 17:36 |
| kyak | well, you can add this feed | 17:36 |
| viric | ok | 17:36 |
| kyak | and use it in backfire | 17:36 |
| kyak | openwrt stable is backfire release | 17:36 |
| kyak | trunk is trunk | 17:36 |
| viric | ok | 17:36 |
| kyak | :) | 17:36 |
| viric | It may look evident to that used to it... but a few minutes ago I had a completely distorted view compared to now | 17:37 |
| viric | And where is written, what kernel openwrt-xburst takes in? | 17:38 |
| viric | (I'll try to find by myself) | 17:38 |
| kyak | it is located in target/linux/ | 17:39 |
| dandon | hey | 17:39 |
| viric | kyak: yes, got it. thank you | 17:40 |
| viric | And then... rafa, there is jlime. the jlime now distributed in the web uses that same 2.6.32 kernel, right? | 17:40 |
| viric | kyak: openwrt trunk has many patches for xburst, for 2.6.34, 2.6.35, 2.6.36, 2.6.37 ... who maintains that and with what purpose? | 17:40 |
| dandon | does anyone know a website that reviews apple notebooks? but websites like xbitlabs or bit-tech or similar that also have non apple laptops | 17:41 |
| kyak | viric: i'm not sure about that... | 17:41 |
| kyak | you might wanna check svn commit logs | 17:42 |
| viric | aha | 17:42 |
| kyak | to see who and why added those patches | 17:42 |
| viric | I'm making a summary... | 17:45 |
| viric | kyak: https://dev.openwrt.org/timeline?from=2010-11-24T19%3A50%3A11%2B0100&precision=second | 17:46 |
| viric | argh | 17:46 |
| viric | I thought it was timeline for xburst. ignore it | 17:46 |
| viric | https://dev.openwrt.org/log/trunk/target/linux/xburst | 17:47 |
| viric | it looks like larsc maintains openwrt trunk | 17:47 |
| kyak | =C7NN | 17:49 |
| kyak | yepp :) | 17:49 |
| viric | I remember I use 2.6.35 from there because larsc pointed me to there when I asked for "the latest stable kernel" | 17:49 |
| viric | That may match the qi-kernel branches. | 17:49 |
| kyak | probably it was the latest kernel at that time | 17:50 |
| viric | yes | 17:51 |
| viric | stable kernel | 17:51 |
| viric | kyak, rafa: http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/cgi-bin/nanonixos/doc/trunk/doc/distributions.wiki | 17:55 |
| viric | (sorry, long urls!) | 17:55 |
| kyak | viric: openwrt-packages is just one of the feeds | 17:57 |
| kyak | there are others provided by default openwrt feeds.conf | 17:57 |
| viric | ok | 17:57 |
| kyak | basically, we use openwrt feeds + openwrt-packages feed | 17:58 |
| viric | the official qi openwrt image comes from openwrt feeds + openwrt-packages, right? | 17:58 |
| viric | I'm not sure what do you mean when you say "we" :) | 17:58 |
| viric | that 'we' does not include rafa, for example, right? | 17:59 |
| kyak | yes, the official image contains packages from both openwrt feeds and openwrt-packages | 17:59 |
| kyak | i guess i mean "qi-hardware"m and i say "we" because i use that, too :) | 18:00 |
| viric | ahh | 18:00 |
| viric | ok | 18:00 |
| viric | also wpwrak ? | 18:00 |
| kyak | i think he was using jlime lately | 18:00 |
| viric | can you reload that page? Now better? | 18:01 |
| kyak | i think it's good | 18:02 |
| viric | great | 18:02 |
| kyak | are you preparing it for qi wiki? | 18:02 |
| kyak | or it's something else? | 18:02 |
| viric | hmmm no, it's something like my scratchbook about this | 18:02 |
| kyak | ah ok :) | 18:02 |
| viric | I'm making that 'nanonixos' (the distribution I use in the nanonote, let's say), and I take notes of what happens :) | 18:03 |
| kyak | sounds great | 18:05 |
| kyak | viric: what's your progress so far? | 18:06 |
| viric | it was not trivial :) | 18:06 |
| viric | kyak: I have all I need | 18:06 |
| viric | :) | 18:07 |
| viric | I started on... | 18:07 |
| viric | four days ago | 18:07 |
| viric | I have prboom, lynx, unicode (output), network, sound, mp3 playing, and the system I use to read RSS offline | 18:07 |
| viric | I can't compete with a big distribution... but I enjoy the game of doing all this. | 18:08 |
| kyak | are you using uboot? | 18:08 |
| viric | yes | 18:09 |
| viric | why? | 18:10 |
| kyak | i was hoping you had grub :) | 18:10 |
| viric | :D | 18:10 |
| viric | kyak: did you find what framebuffer driver you needed for the malta board? I can't get it right :) | 18:11 |
| kyak | CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS | 18:11 |
| kyak | i think this one | 18:11 |
| viric | that's what I thought | 18:12 |
| viric | I just enabled it, and nothing | 18:12 |
| kyak | i enabled several, to be sure | 18:12 |
| kyak | :) | 18:12 |
| viric | do you have the traces, whether it's cirrus? | 18:12 |
| wpwrak | we need this game on the ben: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBr7EhL6Jpg | 18:12 |
| viric | did you use any kernel parameter to make the kernel output to the framebuffer? | 18:12 |
| kyak | viric: do you need "grep -i fb .config"? | 18:13 |
| kyak | viric: yes, i found that it is cirrus | 18:13 |
| viric | kyak: no... boot it. The kernel should say something | 18:13 |
| viric | I have CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS=y | 18:13 |
| viric | # CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE is not set | 18:14 |
| viric | argh | 18:14 |
| kyak | viric: http://wangbj.blogspot.com/ here | 18:14 |
| kyak | CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE must be set | 18:14 |
| viric | sure sure | 18:15 |
| viric | I just found it was not :) | 18:15 |
| kyak | no special parameters | 18:15 |
| viric | great | 18:16 |
| viric | 2ks to build the kernel... | 18:16 |
| viric | I'll see it tomorrow | 18:16 |
| kyak | wpwrak: m, where's that game's home page? | 18:16 |
| viric | I have a friend writing a clone of Zoop | 18:17 |
| wpwrak | kyak: something makes me think it doesn't have one ;-) | 18:17 |
| viric | It should work clean in the nanonote | 18:17 |
| kyak | wpwrak: ;) | 18:17 |
| viric | (no zoop fans? :) | 18:18 |
| kyak | i'm not into games at all ::) | 18:18 |
| kyak | viric: 192.168.0.204 on usb0 | 18:20 |
| kyak | you should make it owrt -compatible :) | 18:20 |
| kyak | (and jlime) | 18:20 |
| viric | kyak: That's the IP I use... | 18:21 |
| viric | kyak: why the IP matters? :) | 18:21 |
| kyak | "Find proper cyrillic fonts for fbterm" - no need, unifont has it all | 18:21 |
| wpwrak | here are some more interesting game references: http://www.adavies.org/blog/2010/03/15/gaming-the-crowd/ | 18:21 |
| wpwrak | the marathon sounds nice :) | 18:21 |
| kyak | viric: cause i ssh into ben | 18:21 |
| viric | http://www.adavies.org/blog/2010/03/15/gaming-the-crowd/ | 18:21 |
| Last message repeated 1 time(s). | 18:21 | |
| viric | ouch | 18:21 |
| viric | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZn9cdNYKzM I meant this | 18:21 |
| wpwrak | rafa: a BUE version of this one could be nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBxFiNxdso4 | 18:22 |
| wpwrak | viric: so that's what they play on proxima centauri ... | 18:24 |
| viric | uh? :) | 18:26 |
| viric | He got new graphics... this is a bit outdated. | 18:26 |
| viric | :) | 18:26 |
| viric | he now ends the multiplayer deatchmatch variant | 18:27 |
| viric | network. | 18:27 |
| viric | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRzsts7tj-c this is the original game | 18:27 |
| wpwrak | not the most enthusiastic review ... | 18:35 |
| zear | a gaming discussion on this channel and i missed it? | 18:35 |
| zear | wpwrak, isn't desert bus a genesis game? | 18:37 |
| wpwrak | zear: it says sega: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_&_Teller's_Smoke_and_Mirrors#Desert_Bus | 18:40 |
| wpwrak | ah, sega platform. published by absolut entrtainment | 18:42 |
| wpwrak | absolutE. important :) | 18:42 |
| zear | if sega, then it must be sega genesis :) | 18:44 |
| zear | ah, it's for sega CD | 18:44 |
| zear | still, there's a quite decent sega genesis/megadrive/CD emulator for the dingoo | 18:45 |
| zear | i don't see a reason why it couldn't be ported to the nanonote | 18:45 |
| wpwrak | zear: have you looked at the video ? | 18:51 |
| zear | of the game? I know about this game :D | 18:52 |
| zear | this is actually a sort of game i would enjoy | 18:52 |
| zear | if it wasn't THAT long and boring, of course | 18:52 |
| zear | but a simple bus/track simulator where you don't have to do much but watch the road would be interesting | 18:53 |
| zear | just would have to have a very varying scenery, so you can't get bored that easily | 18:54 |
| viric | wpwrak: (that review was quite bad, yes! So... I know some fans of that game. I'm one of them!) | 18:54 |
| zear | about that tokyo bus game, this is quite a funny coincidence, but i got a dreamcast few days ago and was about to try this game out :) | 18:55 |
| viric | wpwrak: at university, a friend and me were given a board with an fpga, and pins for a VGA connector and a PS2 input. We made the videogame in an Altera fpga. :) | 18:55 |
| viric | making the vga signals (digital, no DAC... but it gave enough colours :) | 18:55 |
| viric | anyway, guten nacht | 18:56 |
| zear | speaking of simulation games, you guys ever played Densha de go? It's a japanese train simulator, a really cool thing | 18:56 |
| wpwrak | zear: this one looks kinda nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBxFiNxdso4&feature=related | 18:58 |
| zear | here's the footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR0rLMCFL8k | 18:58 |
| wpwrak | zear: combine it with OSM, and maybe you have something usable | 18:58 |
| zear | OSM? | 18:58 |
| wpwrak | zear: ah ... you commented on it. hadn't seen it | 18:58 |
| wpwrak | zear: OpenStreetMap | 18:58 |
| zear | ah | 18:58 |
| zear | open street map is a little.. incomplete :D | 18:59 |
| zear | at least the city where i live :D | 18:59 |
| zear | so i basically use google maps on my freerunner | 18:59 |
| zear | i know, it's a shame | 18:59 |
| zear | but they have better maps | 18:59 |
| zear | and with the street view of their, you could pretty much hook it up to a bus driving game like this one | 19:00 |
| wpwrak | viric: (game in fpga) nice :) | 19:01 |
| zear | wpwrak, they even have some sort of 3d models they generate for every street view pic | 19:04 |
| zear | so they can know if the part of the pic is a building or not | 19:04 |
| zear | and the transition between pictures is very smooth, sometimes it feels like you're really moving from place to place and not changing pictures | 19:05 |
| zear | here's an example: http://mapy.google.pl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=pl&geocode=&q=japan,+tokyo&sll=35.423819,139.936552&sspn=0.016262,0.023453&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Tokio,+Japonia&ll=35.768835,139.766049&spn=0.008061,0.011727&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=35.769187,139.766419&panoid=M1SNVuzoFvYEstH7nCnyUg&cbp=12,167,,0,5 | 19:05 |
| wpwrak | zear: alas, all closed and proprietary. | 19:05 |
| zear | yeah, i fully understand this problem | 19:06 |
| zear | but the technology is interesting | 19:06 |
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