#qi-hardware IRC log for Wednesday, 2010-11-03

xiangfukristianpaul: I modify the picture number to "7". checkout  :)00:00
qi-bot[commit] Juan64Bits: Revisions http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/4376de300:20
kyakxiangfu: hi04:00
kyakxiangfu: do you know why in openwrt-xburst git the package directory is so old?04:00
xiangfukyak: Hi. I saw your message.04:00
kyakthere are 7 months old files04:00
kyakfo examples, there's and old Makfile of ncurses04:00
kyaknot the current one from openwrt svn04:01
kyakand older than we had in openwrt-xburst before04:01
kyak(i just noticed that libncursesw was gone and got worried)04:02
kyakxiangfu: so you read logs :)04:02
xiangfukyak: checkout this : https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/branches/backfire/package04:04
kyakso it means that we are on backfire release?04:08
kyakit is very old04:08
xiangfukyak: hmm... I think it's no need to update. seems the package directory include packages for the base rootfs.04:08
kyakxiangfu: compare this:04:08
kyakand this:04:09
kyak8 months vs 8 weeks04:09
kyakpreviously we were on trunk/package/ncurses04:09
xiangfukyak: you right. previously we were on trunk/.04:55
xiangfukyak: but our plan is tracking the upstream [backfire] not [trunk]. so recently we clean up our openwrt-xburst.git04:55
xiangfumake sure it's tracking backfire.04:55
xiangfukyak: we mess up the trunk and backfire commits before. now it's better :)04:56
kyakhm.. so we are not on the edge anymore05:09
kyakwhat the point of tracking the upstream [backfire]?05:09
kyakwe will only see backports there?05:11
kyak(i just don't like the fact that we lost libncursesw)05:11
kyakmight be something else that we've lost, too05:12
xiangfukyak: the upstream [backfire] is the stable release of OpenWrt.05:24
kyakdamn ISP05:24
kyakso let it be then05:25
kyakstability is also good05:25
kyaklibncursesw is not working anyway05:25
xiangfuI don't know why the libncursesw is at package/ directory05:26
xiangfuif it include by feeds/packages that will be great. maybe should ask OpenWrt people.05:26
kyakH5MK 5@C:C 8CAD3KC H5MK D 7D:5 I0 8DKHA K=K5CL H 5@HB;05:28
kyakit's there because it's a part of basic system i think05:28
kyakxiangfu: after i git clone the openwrt-xburst, and try to create local branch [master] it says that it already exists05:37
kyakwhy is that?05:37
xiangfukyak: when you git clone , it's will create a local branch name master by default.05:38
kyakah ok05:38
kyakvery convenient05:38
kyakxiangfu: another question - what is the purpose of git fetch origin right after git clone?05:39
kyakit seems to do nothing05:39
xiangfukyak: when you do the git fetch just after the 'git clone' it's will do nothing.05:40
kyakok, as i thought05:41
xiangfukyak: the 'git fetch' is gupdate the local git in background, not merge to the local branch. just something like in background :)05:42
xiangfukyak: I always use 'git fetch' when the remote have commits from others.05:42
xiangfu1. git fetch05:42
xiangfu2. git rebase origin/master  (which make my commits on the top of remote/master)05:43
xiangfu3. git push05:43
kyakwhat would happen with git fetch if your commits conflict with remote changes?05:44
xiangfukyak: git fetch only download the remote object. it's will not try to merge with local branch.05:45
xiangfuthe 'git rebase' will do merge. so if there is conflict, it's will prompt. we should fix that manual.05:45
kyakah ok, very clear now05:46
xiangfugit pull = git fetch + git merge05:46
kyaki always do git pull before git push05:46
kyakas you teached me :)05:46
xiangfugreat :)05:52
lekernelwhat's the difference between rebase and merge?05:57
lekernelk, found it :p05:58
wpwrakkristianpaul: (pics) they're small :)08:11
kristofferlarsc, wpwrak how is u-boot status? In vanilla for nanonote?08:12
wpwrakkristianpaul: i don't really know. haven't touched that beast on the ben. i think there are some ben-specific patches that aren't upstream.08:17
kristofferwpwrak, (I assume its for me). oki, Ill look at the qi repository first though08:19
larscwpwrak: upstream uboot support is non existing. and nobody is working on getting it done08:23
wpwraklarsc: i think i heard something like upstream not being particularly interested ?08:26
larscuhm, not sure. never heard that before08:27
wpwrakkristoffer: err, sorry :) i'm too used to name completion to need less than six characters :)08:27
larscbut the code isn't really in a shape were i would take it if i were upstream08:27
kristofferwpwrak, I get that alot lately :) I blame kristianpaul for having a name so similiar :P08:27
larscwell, still better then me. i wanted to autocomplete kristoffer and autocompleted wpwrak...08:28
wpwraklarsc: ah, i see. well, hopefully, we can get rid of it sometime soon anyway :)08:28
kristofferlarsc, lol08:28
kristofferwpwrak, wolfgang is usually quite friendly against new platforms.08:28
wpwrakkristoffer: he stole your nick's autocompletion prefix ! should be cristianpaul anyway :)08:29
wpwrakkristoffer: hmm, can you really use "against" this way ? :)08:29
wpwraklarsc: (autocompletion) interesting algorithm :)08:29
rohnew platforms?08:30
kristofferwpwrak, :D not sure, it sounds good in swedish though. So most likely a mentalese translation08:30
wpwrakroh: new u-boot platform. not "our" wolfgang08:30
Action: roh hoped to find somebody bored enought for soc support work08:30
kristofferalot of wolfgangs in high places08:30
rohi recently found out that loads of these cheap pictureframes have small special soc with e.g. arc cpu cores in them08:31
kristofferkristianpaul, I now understand that you are slowly trying to phase me out of existance by replacing letters in your name so you will be the auto tab. Just want you to know that I see through your plans...:P08:32
Action: wpwrak notices the beneficial effect of occasionally losing all your data. the perfect way to find out where you forgot to check in some files ...08:32
kristofferI really wish I had taken more/any hardware courses in school, would have come in handy when dealing with u-boot08:34
wpwrakhmm, xchat doesn't seem to have an autocompletion override feature. would be handy - map cristianpaul to kristianpaul08:34
wpwrakkristianpaul: hardware .. like in hydrodynamics ? :)08:35
kristoffermore like general eletronic design. bugtracking faulty hardware. understanding memory more fully08:36
rohkristoffer nothing you cant learn now. to be fair: school was a big bust besides basics in math, writing and physics. all the important stuff i needed to learn myself or somewhere else08:36
kristofferroh, yes, atleast to a degree. Programming stuff is easy enough to learn, but the real practical area of eletronic handling (using those fancy detectors/wave generators...) is hard to get08:38
kristofferIn a perfect world I would have three degrees... but I doubt I will ever get that08:39
rafakristoffer: I wrote a short "how to get the uboot sources from qi and crosscompile" if you are interested08:50
rohkristoffer you see.. i only got one from school and another one after completing my apprenticeship. but these never got me any job yet09:08
rohon the contrary. people ask what one did and does, not what papers you can provide (on proper jobs atleast) in my experience09:09
rohatleast in the opensource industry i find its much more knowledge based than degree based.09:10
lekernelthere are tons of factors. diplomas, knowledge, experience, acquaintances...09:18
lekernelin some companies (like in the financial sector) it's pure elitism09:18
wpwraklekernel: i thought we were talking about honest work ? :)09:21
wpwrakthe post is slow. a parcel arrived monday evening, yesterday customs were sitting on it for almost the whole day, then, in the late afternoon, they released it for delivery, and it seems that it still hasn't left the post office by 10:30. i wonder how long it'll take those guys to realize there's really nothing worth stealing inside ...09:32
kristianpaulkristoffer: what?10:02
kristianpaulah ;-)10:03
kristofferroh, agreed. In opensource its more of show-me-what-youve-been-doing rather than exams. Atleast thats what the annoying headhunters scavenge for when they send the mails.10:37
B_LizzardI would just like to say that the Nokia BL-5C is a real nice upgrade12:42
B_LizzardBetter battery life, weight distribution is better, and it feels more solid.12:42
kristofferB_Lizzard, and you can close the battery lid?12:44
kristofferseem to recall seeing something on the mail about it not being possible. but might have been some other battery12:44
B_LizzardIt takes a bit more effort at first but once you learn the trick it's easy12:44
B_LizzardIt only 1mm thicker12:44
kristofferah right, it was about the openmoko frerunner batteries12:45
B_LizzardI got the battery for 9 Euro, so it's not exactly expensive12:45
rafaB_Lizzard: what is the difference between your new battery and nn battery?13:31
rafaB_Lizzard: that was for me?.. I do not know anything about batteries. What does that mean? I guess that your new battery will power nn longer14:07
B_LizzardIt is made by Nokia, which may or may not mean something, it is bigger by 170mAh and larger by 1mm14:08
HKCMDMy D845GEBV2 board shows no onboard audio in Bios23:39
HKCMD  is that the onboard audio damaged ?23:40
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