| qwebirc85021 | Hi, I've just installed alsa-utils alsa-base etc in debian but when I try to use the sound system I get cannot open mixer: No such file or directory, any ideas | 03:42 |
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| qwebirc85021 | this is on the bnn btw | 03:42 |
| mth | is the program trying to use the alsa or the oss mixer? | 03:53 |
| mth | you can check with strace which device node it tries to open | 03:53 |
| qwebirc85021 | well I was trying to use alsamixer so I guess alsa | 03:57 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: still traveling | 03:57 |
| qwebirc85021 | do I need to copy the modules from the official release? I have debian on the nand | 03:57 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: i will upload the stuff when at hoome | 03:57 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: also i think that we will add the wikireader plugin for the gtk1 dictionary in beta4 (without the wikipedia dump, the user will need to download that file) | 03:58 |
| mth | it depends on whether the kernel you're using has alsa in modules or built in | 03:58 |
| mth | does /proc/asound exist? | 03:58 |
| qwebirc85021 | no | 03:59 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: aplay -l should tell you if you have some sound system in your linux. You can check that first | 04:00 |
| qwebirc85021 | aplay: device_list:235 no soundcards found. . . | 04:01 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: then you need to check your kernel .. which kernel are you using? | 04:01 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: do you have extra modules which you can insmod? | 04:02 |
| mth | if there is no /proc/asound, the alsa drivers are not loaded | 04:03 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: so before to try the alsa tools, etc.. you need to be sure that sound is built inside the kernel or as modules, AND (important) you have the /dev/snd/ /dev/.. etc sound device files created | 04:03 |
| qwebirc85021 | I'm using the kernal from the tutorial to install for the adruino sketch | 04:04 |
| mth | rafa: I think in most distro's the modules get autocreated by the hotplug daemon when the drivers are loaded | 04:04 |
| qwebirc85021 | there is no /dev/snd | 04:06 |
| qwebirc85021 | I don't have connectivity on my nanonote right now but later I was going to do a apt-get dist-upgrade I wonder if that will install the necessary stuff | 04:07 |
| rafa | mth: modules? or you mean device files> | 04:09 |
| rafa | ? | 04:09 |
| qwebirc85021 | oh whell in the directory /dev/ there is no file or directory called snd | 04:09 |
| mth | rafa: sorry, yes device nodes are created | 04:09 |
| qwebirc85021 | for those of you whose modules are built into the kernal where did you get your kernal | 04:11 |
| qwebirc85021 | sorry | 04:11 |
| qwebirc85021 | I mean who have | 04:11 |
| qwebirc85021 | alsa built into the kernal | 04:11 |
| qwebirc85021 | I have to go because I am at internet cafe and have to go home before weather gets too nasty because I forgot my coat today | 04:12 |
| qwebirc85021 | you have all given me some good ideas and things to reaearch | 04:13 |
| qwebirc85021 | research | 04:13 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: i have sound modules | 04:13 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: if you wantget back i can tell you how to build the kernel only if you need that | 04:13 |
| qwebirc85021 | oh yes I think thats what I need to do | 04:13 |
| qwebirc85021 | is there a wiki entry I can look at about building the kernal? | 04:16 |
| qwebirc85021 | oh Really gotta go now, I'll be back another time thanks for your help | 04:17 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/muffinman/documentation/kernel-nn.txt | 04:17 |
| qwebirc85021 | cool | 04:17 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: i have some notes more for jlime.. but those are general .. so you can use any toolchain | 04:17 |
| qwebirc85021 | I will track you down if I I have any more qs | 04:18 |
| rafa | qwebirc85021: no problem | 04:18 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: sometimes my builds are failing because a source tarball cannot be downloaded | 04:44 |
| wolfspraul | I noticed OpenWrt uses a mirror system, but that won't help for the packages in the openwrt-packages respository | 04:45 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: yes. because you are in China. | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | so I suggest this: we add a file scripts/localmirrors to openwrt-xburst, and point it to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/sources | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: no, not china. I also have this problem on the buildhost machine in Bavaria :-) | 04:45 |
| wolfspraul | the problem is that for all new applications we are bringing into openwrt, the ones in openwrt-packages.git on the qi server, there is no functioning mirror | 04:46 |
| wolfspraul | so my plan is to upload all sources from the dl/ folder into downloads.qi-hardware.com/sources (same as OpenWrt) | 04:46 |
| wolfspraul | and then add a scripts/localmirrors file pointing to that URL | 04:46 |
| wolfspraul | what do you think? does this sound good? | 04:46 |
| xiangfu | sure. | 04:47 |
| wolfspraul | well we have to be careful that it is in line with the OpenWrt policies, general free software ideas and the GPL | 04:49 |
| wolfspraul | but I think it should be OK. if I misunderstand something in the mirror system let me know, I'll set it up like this for now | 04:49 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: hmm. maybe localmirrors is not good because it will always try that first, thinking 'local' == 'fastest' | 04:51 |
| wolfspraul | well there is no other way to get it in, unless we patch download.pl | 04:52 |
| wolfspraul | I will try scripts/localmirrors for now, I think the mirrors are only invoked if the true upstream URL fails, so might as well try the Qi server first... | 04:53 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: I found there is a "LOCALMIRROR" in 'menuconfig' | 04:59 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: yes. seems it will alwyas try localmirror first. | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, isn't that the primary purpose of local mirrors? | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus I seem to remember you have to rsync on a regular schedule | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | weren't there extensive discussions about that on #openmoko-cdevel, about how to mirror the bearstech servers as they frequently were down? | 06:44 |
| tuxbrain2 | countdown for NanoNote Nanoware Especial edition, 1h 15m left for launching. | 07:20 |
| tuxbrain2 | you can ejoy 20mins demo video here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Walktrhough_QHBNNNWTEE.ogv | 07:21 |
| kristianpaul | rafa: sure i have lots of dumps here :) | 07:23 |
| Action: jluis looking the video :) | 07:37 | |
| lekernel | tuxbrain2, nice :) | 08:08 |
| lekernel | good that it has a GUI in the end, even if Xorg-based | 08:09 |
| tuxbrain2 | hehehe, thanks lekernel :) comming from you this words are music to my ears :) | 08:11 |
| tuxbrain2 | count down 20 mins | 08:12 |
| tuxbrain2 | Tuxbrain<->Nanowar in sync for the launching | 08:13 |
| viric | tuxbrain2: felicitats! T'ha quedat de collons | 09:16 |
| tuxbrain2 | gracies :) | 09:17 |
| kristianpaul | tuxbrain2: bien por el video :) | 09:39 |
| tuxbrain2 | must leave! spread spread | 10:31 |
| aisa | bartbes: are you online? I want to ask you about the wordgrinder port in qi-packages. | 10:42 |
| bartbes | epic timing | 10:42 |
| bartbes | yes, I am | 10:42 |
| aisa | huzzah! | 10:42 |
| bartbes | or am I? | 10:42 |
| aisa | I see wordgrinder marked broken for 30 days. | 10:42 |
| bartbes | oh heh | 10:42 |
| aisa | the commit message says waiting for an upstream patch to curses. | 10:42 |
| aisa | can you give me the backstory? | 10:42 |
| bartbes | well, that upstream patch is there, I believe | 10:42 |
| bartbes | but in some mysterious way my patchfile broke | 10:43 |
| bartbes | and... I got distracted | 10:43 |
| aisa | May I offer to work on this port for you? | 10:43 |
| bartbes | well, why not | 10:43 |
| bartbes | actually | 10:43 |
| bartbes | you only need to fix the patch file | 10:43 |
| bartbes | and then it runs | 10:43 |
| bartbes | the menus themselves would need to be optimized | 10:43 |
| bartbes | but otherwise, it works | 10:44 |
| aisa | they are too large on this device? | 10:44 |
| bartbes | it has been on my nn for a month now ;) | 10:44 |
| bartbes | yeah | 10:44 |
| bartbes | though maybe the new console font fixes a lot of that | 10:44 |
| aisa | can you tell me what problem you had that caused you to mark it broken? | 10:44 |
| aisa | so I can be aware if I see it. | 10:44 |
| bartbes | well, I was waiting for that upstream patch | 10:44 |
| bartbes | which was applied about 3 days later, I believe | 10:44 |
| aisa | I'm running an old image, I may not have this fix. | 10:45 |
| bartbes | the fix is in one of the packages | 10:45 |
| aisa | I won't be able to update my image until next week, alas. | 10:45 |
| aisa | oh, better. Which one? curses? | 10:45 |
| bartbes | yes | 10:45 |
| bartbes | ncursesw was needed | 10:45 |
| bartbes | so I did some poking around | 10:46 |
| bartbes | got it to build | 10:46 |
| bartbes | worked on it with one of the openwrt guys | 10:46 |
| bartbes | til it integrated nicely with ncurses itself | 10:46 |
| bartbes | and then he committed it, though delayed | 10:46 |
| bartbes | iirc, that is | 10:46 |
| bartbes | :P | 10:46 |
| aisa | ^_^ | 10:46 |
| bartbes | if you want I can look into the patch file myself | 10:48 |
| bartbes | (basically I'd just create a new one) | 10:48 |
| aisa | I started already. I remember reviewing the patch and seeing it was reasonably simple. | 10:48 |
| bartbes | it sure is | 10:49 |
| bartbes | I just needed to change the build configuration a little | 10:49 |
| aisa | After today I'm going to be away from my computer for four days. I'll only have my NanoNote, and I'd like to have wordgrinder so I can experiment with writing on the NanoNote. | 10:50 |
| aisa | So hearing that it is a simple fix, I'm going to work on fixing it today to meet my deadline. | 10:50 |
| aisa | look! A patch failure! | 10:50 |
| aisa | I know I can run package/$PACKAGE/prepare | 10:50 |
| aisa | but I sure would like to split that into untar/patch | 10:51 |
| aisa | so I can do the patch stage myself at times like this... | 10:51 |
| bartbes | yeah, I know the patch failed | 10:51 |
| aisa | *grumbles* | 10:51 |
| bartbes | that's what I've been telling you | 10:51 |
| bartbes | also, I saw no obvious reason why | 10:51 |
| bartbes | ;) | 10:51 |
| bartbes | http://somuchpun.com/2010/09/15/funny-puns-meatsicle/ | 10:52 |
| bartbes | YEAH | 10:52 |
| bartbes | I succeeded! | 10:52 |
| bartbes | also, I managed to make someone upset | 10:52 |
| bartbes | troll bonus points for me | 10:52 |
| aisa | DeadBob wins the subtle troll award... | 10:53 |
| aisa | Or the idiot award, it is never clear. | 10:53 |
| aisa | bartbes: I think someone updated wordgrinder-0.3.3 without bumping the release number. | 10:58 |
| aisa | Does openwrt track md5/sha1 sums on upstream data? | 10:58 |
| bartbes | that may very well be the case | 10:58 |
| bartbes | but that guy should be kicked in the teeth | 10:58 |
| bartbes | wait, what? | 10:58 |
| aisa | Since teeth kicking is illegal in some places and inconvenient most others, I propose instead we verify incoming data. | 10:59 |
| aisa | Namely, | 10:59 |
| aisa | if we have an upstream tarball, compute the md5/sha1 and stick that in the Makefile. | 10:59 |
| bartbes | well, yeah | 10:59 |
| bartbes | it's standard practice | 10:59 |
| aisa | and then compare the download in the future. | 10:59 |
| bartbes | but since it was broken I didn't bother to put it in yet | 10:59 |
| aisa | ah, wonderful. | 11:00 |
| aisa | the number of context lines in your udiff is unusually large. | 11:01 |
| aisa | Do you set a high default, or are you using a diff tool different from the diff tool I'm using? | 11:01 |
| aisa | diff/different/diff? | 11:01 |
| bartbes | I just use diff -Naur | 11:01 |
| bartbes | iirc | 11:01 |
| bartbes | though that might have been for something else | 11:01 |
| bartbes | dude, you don't want to rely on my memory ;) | 11:02 |
| aisa | Haha, developing my own memory is why I bought a NanoNote: | 11:02 |
| aisa | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/User:Alanpost/Why | 11:02 |
| aisa | you need not read that if you're not engaged, I found your comment funny so provide context. | 11:02 |
| bartbes | that | 11:03 |
| bartbes | I can only reply with | 11:03 |
| bartbes | tl;dr | 11:03 |
| aisa | hooray! | 11:03 |
| bartbes | I read something about oral | 11:03 |
| bartbes | so now I have reason to derail this entire channel | 11:03 |
| aisa | *laughs* | 11:04 |
| bartbes | you should've seen what I did to #omg!ubuntu! yesterday | 11:04 |
| bartbes | I took over the entire channel | 11:05 |
| aisa | In theory my extreme focus on being serious prevents me from giving you support with that much information. | 11:06 |
| aisa | At the sime time, I'm sure it was fun. | 11:07 |
| bartbes | it sure was | 11:08 |
| aisa | I've updated your pmfile patch on wordgrinder, it applies cleanly again, and I'm running the build now. | 11:11 |
| bartbes | great | 11:12 |
| qi-bot | [commit] Alan Post: update the wordgrinder-0.3.3 patch. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/77694b3 | 11:35 |
| bartbes | aisa: I guess that means it works? | 11:37 |
| aisa | I haven't run it on my device yet, doing that now. | 11:38 |
| aisa | It compiles :-) | 11:38 |
| bartbes | also, how easy is it to run a gp2x game on the nn? | 11:40 |
| aisa | bartbes: I get a segfault somewhere initializing the terminal. | 11:48 |
| bartbes | did you install the new ncurses package? | 11:48 |
| aisa | it leaves the terminal a mess, so I have to log out. | 11:48 |
| aisa | I installed the one I built, libncurses5w. | 11:48 |
| bartbes | (and ncursesw) | 11:48 |
| bartbes | I mean plain ncurses too | 11:48 |
| aisa | I probably didn't get that one. | 11:49 |
| bartbes | (it built too, because it is a dep of ncursesw) | 11:49 |
| aisa | ok, libncurses updated from 5.7-2 to 5.7-3, same error. | 11:50 |
| aisa | though I should perhaps try rebooting the machine... | 11:50 |
| aisa | bartbes: it is the same, alas. | 11:52 |
| bartbes | :( | 11:52 |
| bartbes | I guess I should rebuild and see for myself then | 11:52 |
| aisa | Thank you, I would appreciate knowing how it behaves for you. | 11:52 |
| bartbes | well, if upstream did in fact change it in place | 11:53 |
| bartbes | the changes could be the thing killing it | 11:54 |
| aisa | Looking at the differences between your patch and mine, | 11:54 |
| aisa | there are only whitespace changes. | 11:54 |
| aisa | the reason your patch wasn't applying cleanly was difference in whitespace in context lines. | 11:54 |
| bartbes | I got that from reading the diff, yes | 11:54 |
| aisa | It doesn't prove this isn't true, but I do wonder if that was why it was updated in place, | 11:55 |
| aisa | to fix source code problems that didn't show up in the executable. | 11:55 |
| bartbes | orly? | 11:57 |
| bartbes | (not to be taken seriously) | 11:57 |
| bartbes | it would be weird, yes | 11:57 |
| aisa | it is a guess, and not a particularly useful one. | 11:57 |
| bartbes | well, it's compiling | 11:59 |
| bartbes | or well, preparing to compile | 11:59 |
| bartbes | which always seems like that's the thing taking the longest | 11:59 |
| aisa | I'm glad it is one step further than it was yesterday. | 11:59 |
| bartbes | ... I forgot to select it | 11:59 |
| aisa | ha! right. That annoys me, that you say "do this to this package" and it comes back and says "you couldn't possibly mean that..." | 11:59 |
| aisa | SHUT UP COMPUTER AND DO AS I SAY! | 12:00 |
| bartbes | "WARNING: Totally ignoring what you said" | 12:00 |
| bartbes | now ehm | 12:00 |
| bartbes | where in the menu was it | 12:00 |
| aisa | utilities => editor | 12:00 |
| aisa | and remember lua too, in languages=>lua | 12:01 |
| bartbes | not.. there | 12:01 |
| aisa | ./scripts/feeds install -a ? | 12:01 |
| bartbes | yeah, i guess that is needed then | 12:01 |
| bartbes | aisa: gtg, sorry | 12:08 |
| aisa | Thank you for your help today, I really appreciate it. | 12:08 |
| bartbes | thank you for allowing me to be productive without doing anything ;) | 12:09 |
| aisa | Anytime! | 12:09 |
| wpwrak | tuxbrain_away: heya ! i see that you got the counterweights ! :) one thing you want to check is the plastic glued on them. i'm not entirely sure of the glue i used. if any fell off, just glue them back on. | 13:00 |
| rafa | nanowar | 15:54 |
| rafa | amaizing stuff and band | 15:55 |
| kristianpaul | and jlime :) | 16:00 |
| rafa | yeh, hehe but it seems that the nanowar has a really complete multimedia stuff of the band | 16:02 |
| rafa | so it has a lot of hours of fun | 16:03 |
| kristianpaul | :p | 16:15 |
| bartbes | aisa: did I just read you have a problem with cmake? | 17:29 |
| aisa | in a manner of speaking, yes. | 17:29 |
| bartbes | well, I doubt I'm using any new features | 17:29 |
| bartbes | so please try lowering the version | 17:29 |
| aisa | I am running debian 5.0, which includes cmake 2.6 | 17:29 |
| aisa | and nlove asks for 2.8. | 17:29 |
| aisa | oh, wonderful, I will try this. | 17:29 |
| aisa | It would be personally convenient to me if we could use a stable debian as a build platform, | 17:29 |
| aisa | but I realize this gets harder to do as the years go by. | 17:30 |
| aisa | years between releases, that is. | 17:30 |
| bartbes | the biggest problem I have with 'the debian way' is that you always get stuck with old packages | 17:30 |
| bartbes | which is especially annoying when talking about stuff like firefox | 17:30 |
| bartbes | (or chromium, which is developing even faster) | 17:31 |
| aisa | I strongly suspect I'll be running testing because of this, | 17:32 |
| aisa | I can't imagine a group of package maintainers settling for debian's release schedule. | 17:32 |
| elricsfate | hey guys | 20:07 |
| elricsfate | trying to reflash my ben using usb boot and I run to a problem on the last step | 20:07 |
| elricsfate | nprog 2048 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi 0 0 -n | 20:07 |
| elricsfate | that command gives me an error | 20:07 |
| elricsfate | Usage: nprog (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (1)start page number (2)image file name (3)device index number (4)flash index number (5) image type must be: -n:no oob -o:with oob no ecc -e:with oob and ecc | 20:07 |
| elricsfate | can someone PLEASE help?? | 20:07 |
| elricsfate | anyone? :/ | 20:13 |
| rafa | elricsfate: please | 20:14 |
| rafa | give us the complete command tht you are trying | 20:15 |
| rafa | elricsfate: i guess that it should be : | 20:15 |
| rafa | usbboot -c "nprog 2048 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi 0 0 -n" | 20:16 |
| rafa | are you using "? | 20:16 |
| rafa | " " | 20:17 |
| elricsfate | just noticed that | 20:50 |
| elricsfate | working now | 20:50 |
| elricsfate | any OS suggestions for the nano note? Thinking about switching over to Debian | 20:53 |
| wpwrak | rafa: the problem with usbboot is that there seems to be a bug in the parser. i got the same error. i worked around it by renaming the file. not sure if this is fixed already. the usbboot i have is from march. | 22:22 |
| wpwrak | xiangfu: heya ! do you know who's in charge of usbboot ? | 22:28 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: me. :) | 22:28 |
| wpwrak | gotcha ! ;-)) | 22:28 |
| wpwrak | there seems to be a problem with the parser. when someone follows the flash instructions, the last command, flashing the .ubi file, fails with | 22:29 |
| wpwrak | (looking up the error message ...) | 22:30 |
| wpwrak | "not enough argument." | 22:30 |
| wpwrak | interestingly, it works after renaming the .ubi file, e.g., to "foo" | 22:31 |
| wpwrak | now, i used the may 5 version. i looked at the changelog, and i saw that there was some command line parser change later in may. | 22:32 |
| wpwrak | do you think this solved also this issue ? | 22:32 |
| wpwrak | i.e., are you using the process described on http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_with_usbboot yourself ? | 22:32 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: I think it solved this issue. I remember someone have report this issue to me. and we have fixed that in last version | 22:33 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: can you test with : "xburst-tools_201007-1.tar.bz2" | 22:33 |
| xiangfu | http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/downloads/ | 22:34 |
| wpwrak | hmm, that's the .deb i used | 22:34 |
| wpwrak | (or .tar, don't remember which one it was) | 22:35 |
| wpwrak | maybe the precompiled packages need updating ? | 22:35 |
| wpwrak | "elricsfate" also ran into the same problem today | 22:35 |
| wpwrak | err .. no, must have been the .deb that i used, obviously :) | 22:37 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: ok. I will update the deb packge. when I have time today. | 22:39 |
| wpwrak | perfect. thanks ! | 22:40 |
| wpwrak | ah, and do you know who's in charge of gmenu2x ? that one is still messing with the clocks :-( | 22:42 |
| xiangfu | wpwrak: I don't know about gmen2x. seems no one in charge of it. :) | 23:08 |
| wpwrak | xiangfu: heh, that may explain a few things ;-) | 23:41 |
| kristianpaul | xiangfu: but you git it from upstream right? | 23:43 |
| kristianpaul | cause i noticed some improvements in the gmenu before the uclib reverse | 23:43 |
| kristianpaul | or may be they we're already there and i just discover it later.. | 23:44 |
| xiangfu | kristianpaul: yes. the gmenu2x is git clone from upstream. | 23:44 |
| kristianpaul | wpwrak: so you have somebody(ies) to ask finally :) | 23:44 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: hmm. then i need to find out who sent upstream patches to mess up the ben. | 23:58 |
| wpwrak | kristianpaul: these crude hacks are definitely ben-specific. | 23:59 |
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