| roh | wolfspraul ping | 01:22 |
|---|---|---|
| wolfspraul | roh: pong, but just about to go to sleep :- | 01:25 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 01:25 |
| wolfspraul | what's up? | 01:25 |
| roh | wolfspraul not much. just wanted to 'report' that the package arrived | 01:27 |
| wolfspraul | ah great | 01:27 |
| roh | the one with the rfm22 modules | 01:27 |
| wolfspraul | which one? I already lost track so many things going on | 01:27 |
| wolfspraul | ah OK :-) | 01:27 |
| roh | and the funky antenna-wires ;) | 01:27 |
| wolfspraul | I am with Werner in Buenos Aires and we talk about RF in the Ya NanoNote a lot | 01:27 |
| roh | didnt archieve testing it yet, but we got a rfm12project running, so i guess i will just try swapping 2 of these with the 22 and see what happens | 01:28 |
| roh | nice. (BA) | 01:28 |
| wolfspraul | yes, great | 01:28 |
| wolfspraul | the more we learn about those modules the better | 01:28 |
| roh | the datasheet to the rf22/23 reads very nice | 01:29 |
| wolfspraul | ok | 01:29 |
| wolfspraul | the modules you have are the DIP package, easy for hand-soldering and experiments | 01:29 |
| wolfspraul | also you have the high-power version (20 dbM) | 01:29 |
| roh | the question is if its more near reality than the rfm12 one (which seems to ... be creative about 'specs' sometimes | 01:29 |
| roh | yea... rfm22 seems to eat multiple times the power of a 12b | 01:30 |
| wolfspraul | supposedly, yes | 01:30 |
| roh | but the 23 should be near the 12 and still have more power | 01:30 |
| wolfspraul | software controllable in 3dBm increments I think | 01:30 |
| roh | if the table is correct | 01:30 |
| wolfspraul | it's a newer/more advanced RF IC | 01:30 |
| wolfspraul | Integration developed the RF IC in the 12/12b modules, and the modules came to market in 2006 | 01:31 |
| wolfspraul | then Integration was bought by Silicon Labs, who developed the 22/23 RF IC, I would think continuing work that was already going on at Integraton (that's a guess) | 01:31 |
| roh | 2006? that cand be right | 01:31 |
| wolfspraul | the 22/23 modules came to market only this year, 4 years after the 12/12b RF IC | 01:32 |
| roh | http://www.elektronik-projekt.de/thread.php?threadid=4409 says 2004 they were avail in germany | 01:32 |
| wolfspraul | so one would think that in 4 years these guys are working on something... | 01:32 |
| wolfspraul | the dates 2006 and 2010 is for the hoperf modules | 01:32 |
| wolfspraul | maybe 2006 is wrong then and it was 2004 :-) | 01:32 |
| wolfspraul | but my point is - the RF IC in 12/12b is an old/established thing, on the market for X years | 01:33 |
| roh | i know of no rfm12 which weren't hoperf ;) but who knows... doesnt really matter what the marketing dept wants to make us think for whatever reasons | 01:33 |
| wolfspraul | wherease the 22/23 RF IC is new, at least at hoperf only came to market this year | 01:33 |
| wolfspraul | rfm12 is a hoperf module name | 01:33 |
| wolfspraul | but I think the underlying Integration (now Silicon Labs) RF IC can be found in other places too | 01:33 |
| wolfspraul | so hopefully 22/23 is as good as they say it is, we find out | 01:34 |
| wolfspraul | thanks a lot for letting me know about the package | 01:34 |
| wolfspraul | it's already so many flights and continent changes behind that I forgot... :-) | 01:35 |
| roh | ;) | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | k going to sleep now | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | werner will kick me out early tomorrow I'm sure | 01:35 |
| wolfspraul | he needs to borrow my Windows box (!) | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | I admit I have a Windows Parallels machine... | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | he needs it to reflash the firmware of some of his scopes, so let's see whether we can get this done tomorrow... | 01:36 |
| wolfspraul | roh: 'night, keep in touch | 01:38 |
| kyak | hm, i'm wondering, why are md5 sums of uImage/rootfs different after each make? | 03:22 |
| kyak | is it generating something unique every time? | 03:23 |
| kyak | as far as i udnerstand it, the md5 sum should be same between two consecutive runs of make | 03:24 |
| larsc | well, since it contains a file system i would guess that this is a result of different mtimes | 04:12 |
| kyak | i think it explains it | 04:13 |
| kyak | on the second thought, why would mtime change, if not files were modified? | 04:17 |
| kyak | *no files | 04:17 |
| kyak | unless they are "touched" during extraction.. | 04:18 |
| larsc | there is probably at least one package which will touch its files although not striclty necessary | 04:36 |
| larsc | oh and uImage saves the time on which it was created | 04:37 |
| kyak | hm, right | 04:40 |
| kyak | ok, i want to change some uClibc options, so i go to build_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/uClibc-0.9.30.1 and "make menuconfig" there | 04:41 |
| kyak | is it correct, or should i change config options in feeds/packages/libs/uclibc++/files/config.default? | 04:42 |
| kyak | actually what i'm trying to do is enable locale support in busybox and uclibc... | 04:43 |
| larsc | better edit config.default. otherwise it will be lost on a make clean | 04:44 |
| kyak | i thought so too | 04:44 |
| kyak | but i did make clean and it's not lost | 04:44 |
| kyak | that's also why i started looking into md5's, because i'm not sure that this change is even in the image.. | 04:47 |
| kyak | i maybe need to have a look at verbose log of make to have a better understanding of what's going on.. but damn, this is a 40 Mb text file | 04:49 |
| kyak | and all openwrt's documentation is SO outdated | 04:49 |
| larsc | btw. for uclibc and not uclibc++ you need to edit toolchain/uClibc/config-${your-version}/mips | 05:10 |
| larsc | or /common | 05:11 |
| kyak | larsc: thanks for the hint! | 05:39 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: I have not understood you on mailing list.. | 17:59 |
| rafa | What did you mean with "matchbox..." and "matchbox works on X" ? | 17:59 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: David (tuxbrain) was trying to say that X should work, and your answers sounded me like you think that it is not a good idea | 18:00 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: so I did not understand your mail :( | 18:00 |
| rafa | your answer* | 18:00 |
| kristianpaul | i thikn X is good idea | 18:01 |
| kristianpaul | because matchbox and all other software that run on X} | 18:01 |
| kristianpaul | i'm wrong, matchbox run on top of X inst? | 18:01 |
| rafa | yes, matchbox needs X | 18:02 |
| kristianpaul | my intention was to point that support X could bring new apps | 18:02 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: But I read Sebastien answers and I understood like he was supporting your idea that X is not a good idea.. | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | what do you understand? | 18:03 |
| rafa | But I understood all wrong :D | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | ouch | 18:03 |
| rafa | maybe | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | may be i need clear my point | 18:03 |
| rafa | did you read the sebastien answer? | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | he hates X slowness | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | as X itseld | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | itself* | 18:03 |
| rafa | he sounded me like he was supporting your idea that X is not nice | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | resuming ;) | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | i said that? | 18:04 |
| kristianpaul | OMG | 18:04 |
| kristianpaul | wait i'll re read | 18:04 |
| rafa | NO you did not do | 18:04 |
| rafa | but the answer of him sounded me like that | 18:04 |
| rafa | He started with a " Yeah, and.. " like giving more details to support your idea. | 18:04 |
| rafa | But it is just me | 18:04 |
| rafa | You can read my answer :) | 18:04 |
| kristianpaul | hmm yes i missed some arguments | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | hm yes he said | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | X at least has ben desmostrated | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | > to work quite well in 32mb (see Jlime) | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | then i pointed matchbox | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | but lack in arguments | 18:06 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: and we use X on Hp jornadas .. 16MB of ram ;) | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | my fault | 18:06 |
| rafa | and slower cpu | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | yeah i remenber that from you too | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | i also plya a bit with jlime and was not slowness | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | wait i need reply again | 18:06 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: no problem.. Your answer is okey. Just that it was too short so I did not understand if you was liking X or not :) | 18:07 |
| rafa | I replied, you can read ;) | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | done reading, good and wide argue | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | it deserves a +1 | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | wat | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | wait* | 18:07 |
| rafa | cool that you like X :) | 18:10 |
| kristianpaul | done reply | 18:11 |
| kristianpaul | yeah i do | 18:11 |
| kristianpaul | fb is nice but | 18:11 |
| kristianpaul | like backup | 18:11 |
| kristianpaul | in cae X ail | 18:11 |
| kristianpaul | s/ail/fail | 18:11 |
| kristianpaul | X can run lots of apps | 18:12 |
| kristianpaul | that we can reuse | 18:12 |
| kristianpaul | of course not all of then, but sure a few that worth | 18:12 |
| rafa | yes, I remember the days on vargtass development. Our main Vargtass developer has tested a lot of X applications and we all learnt a lot about that. | 18:12 |
| kristianpaul | i just i'm a pain right now | 18:13 |
| rafa | We know that X is really nice and it does not use many resources, | 18:13 |
| kristianpaul | uboot compatibillity with jlime and openwrt | 18:13 |
| rafa | almost 0 cpu and few ram. linux kernel + X + window manager just 10MB of ram | 18:13 |
| rafa | or less. | 18:13 |
| kristianpaul | i cant ran openwrt right now just jlime :( | 18:13 |
| kristianpaul | i need openwrt for test gpsd and tangopsd wich is in the repo and works | 18:13 |
| kristianpaul | or at least install | 18:14 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 18:14 |
| kristianpaul | 10mb is few | 18:14 |
| rafa | why is not openwrt running ? :( | 18:14 |
| kristianpaul | i dotn know | 18:14 |
| kristianpaul | i just stoped after installed your uboot | 18:14 |
| kristianpaul | btw, are you running jlime in last uboot from qi? | 18:14 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: gpsd is on jlime repo. | 18:15 |
| rafa | I can upload | 18:15 |
| rafa | the library you need for tangogps | 18:15 |
| kristianpaul | i want compile Jlime my self too, as openwrt | 18:15 |
| kristianpaul | will be nice you upload nanomap and others apps intendted for nanonoe | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | nanonote* | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | but what about my first question? | 18:16 |
| rafa | uboot: yes | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | oh | 18:16 |
| rafa | it runs okey with latest qi uboot | 18:16 |
| rafa | so you can do just an ext2 partition and the swap | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | jlime had changed since last time we talked? | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | ah! | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | good | 18:16 |
| kristianpaul | i'll placent erase the fat one ;) | 18:17 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: no idea.. I sent an email I think about latest qi bootloader. | 18:17 |
| kristianpaul | ah ok | 18:17 |
| rafa | When I said that power button works as well. | 18:17 |
| rafa | (to power off) | 18:17 |
| kristianpaul | yeah i was one week sort disconnected | 18:17 |
| kristianpaul | i'll flash and try | 18:18 |
| kristianpaul | i got a 1GB card :D | 18:18 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: I will try to upload the library that you need for tangogps (because both, tangogps and gpsd should be on jlime repo) | 18:18 |
| rafa | ah nice! | 18:18 |
| rafa | 1GB is cool | 18:18 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 18:18 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: how was the whole conference there in Colombia? Nice? | 18:20 |
| kristianpaul | yup | 18:20 |
| rafa | cool.. I would like to go some day, I saw some pictures and I felt that the whole thing was nice to be ;) | 18:22 |
| kristianpaul | i heard, not sure there is a posible cparty in argentina | 18:22 |
| kristianpaul | rafa: wiki still need update cause is pointing creating of FAT partition | 18:46 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: yes, but if you read well you will realize that it says : | 18:46 |
| rafa | "If you use current official Qi bootloader (16-Jun-2010+) then you just need to divide the MicroSD ..." | 18:47 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: are you reading wiki installation instructions right? | 18:47 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 18:48 |
| rafa | Perhaps we forgot to write that note in other wiki places as well.. | 18:48 |
| kristianpaul | well i note at all | 18:48 |
| kristianpaul | but yes | 18:48 |
| kristianpaul | i just keep in mind unzupo userland and copi umImage | 18:48 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: yes, we will move to newest qi bootloader only and we will remove the old instructions soon I guess. | 18:49 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 18:49 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: if you have the newest qi bootloader just untar the tar.gz package on ext2 | 18:49 |
| rafa | and booot :) | 18:49 |
| rafa | do not forget to do the swap, Linux likes it | 18:49 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: jz4740: pwm: Move pwm initialization to subsys_initcall http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/304fb40 | 18:50 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: now I am trying to update the repository so you have all the packages tangogps needs :) | 18:50 |
| kristianpaul | oh thanks | 18:52 |
| kristianpaul | fbreader will be cool | 18:53 |
| zear | yeah, fbreader was the first thing i attempted to download from opkg ;D | 18:58 |
| kristianpaul | http://www.moresales.com.my/catalog/entry/uxwlkocd.shtml heh i saw this before ;) | 19:00 |
| kristianpaul | hey hey | 19:11 |
| kristianpaul | what about frozzen bubble !! | 19:11 |
| kristianpaul | rafa: ^ | 19:11 |
| kristianpaul | if run in gp2x why not nanonote? | 19:12 |
| kristianpaul | yes is mips but. | 19:12 |
| kristianpaul | oh :D | 19:12 |
| kristianpaul | ah it saids require 54mb of ram :( | 19:13 |
| kristianpaul | nah | 19:14 |
| kristianpaul | ops | 19:15 |
| urandom_ | uhm gp2x is ARM not mips | 19:17 |
| kristianpaul | 18:05 < kristianpaul> yes is mips but. < nanonote | 19:18 |
| kristianpaul | frozen bubble is SDl | 19:18 |
| kristianpaul | wonder if debian bin will run on openwrt... | 19:18 |
| urandom_ | it might run | 19:20 |
| kristianpaul | se supone si | 19:20 |
| kristianpaul | ops | 19:20 |
| rafa | yeah.. frozen bubble would be nice :D | 19:32 |
| kristianpaul | jaja | 19:35 |
| kristianpaul | ops | 19:35 |
| kristianpaul | damm irssi | 19:35 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: no sure if it runs on 320x240 | 19:35 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 19:35 |
| kristianpaul | thats a good point | 19:35 |
| rafa | he :) tangogps runs :) | 19:40 |
| rafa | zear: kristianpaul : I updated the repo a bit | 19:40 |
| zear | :D | 19:40 |
| rafa | libsqlite3 is there now, and others | 19:40 |
| rafa | please, opkg update | 19:40 |
| rafa | and install the packages which failed last time | 19:41 |
| rafa | (because the lack of libsqlite3 | 19:41 |
| rafa | ) | 19:41 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: tangogps adds a nice icon/launcher on desktop ;) | 19:41 |
| kristianpaul | oh | 19:42 |
| rafa | alt+F4 to quit | 19:42 |
| kristianpaul | okay wait i'm formatinh 1Gb nand | 19:42 |
| rafa | alt+F1 to go desktop | 19:42 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: okey | 19:42 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 19:42 |
| kristianpaul | the uImges goes to /boot/uImage inst? | 19:43 |
| kristianpaul | okay booting :) | 19:46 |
| Action: kristianpaul opkg uopdating | 19:50 | |
| kristianpaul | rafa: you should blog about how createa oe image for the nanonote | 19:51 |
| kristianpaul | i want play at home as with openwrt :) | 19:51 |
| kristianpaul | and just bug you whne something breaks ;) | 19:51 |
| kristianpaul | where i can get the code (cvs git)? | 19:53 |
| kristianpaul | for jlime | 19:53 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: on documentation stuff I added something about how we did the oe thing | 19:56 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: but yes, you are right | 19:57 |
| rafa | we need more documentation, just that sometimes I do not get the whole free time for all :( | 19:57 |
| kristianpaul | np, sorry i ask too much | 20:00 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: I replied you at jlime channel :D | 20:01 |
| kristianpaul | rafa: http://ur1.ca/0k0nj | 20:07 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: you there? | 23:57 |
| rafa | kristianpaul: tangogps works okey here | 23:58 |
| rafa | from a fresh install | 23:58 |
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