| arctanx | compiling gfortran locally... this is going to take a while... | 01:26 |
|---|---|---|
| bartbes | tuxbrain: no longer on the beach? | 06:40 |
| sdschulze | lekernel: Is MilkyMist downward-binary-compatible to LatticeMico32, BTW? | 09:46 |
| lekernel | same instruction set but different soc peripherals | 09:51 |
| mth | larsc: is the (M / N) in the PLL formula an integer or real division? | 10:20 |
| larsc | integer | 10:21 |
| mth | also in the hardware? | 10:21 |
| larsc | i would say | 10:21 |
| mth | from the description of how the hardware works, I think (Xin / N) * M would be closer to reality | 10:37 |
| mth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_synthesizer#Principle_of_PLL_synthesizers | 10:37 |
| larsc | hm | 10:49 |
| larsc | is the value in sysfs different from what you'd expect it to be? | 10:50 |
| larsc | in the aic section there are sample values of N, M and output frequency | 10:52 |
| larsc | you are right | 10:54 |
| larsc | i wonder why they put the extra brackets in their formula | 10:55 |
| larsc | hm i wished there was some kind of mmc testkit which would emulate a mmc card, but be able to produce errors at will. so one could build a testsuite for a mmc driver | 10:59 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: clocks: Fix pll frequency rate formula http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/b050ca1 | 11:05 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: jz4740: clock: Fix value returned by clk_get_rate() for the "pll" clock. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/eaec30a | 11:05 |
| bartbes | did you just do the same thing? | 11:07 |
| dptech | hello I'd like how create usb_boot because I've usb schema with Data (D-) Data (D+) and Ground (GND) with in nanoNote TXD (transmit data) RXD (receive data)... | 11:11 |
| larsc | bartbes: no | 11:12 |
| dptech | hello I'd like how create usb_boot because I've usb schema with Data (D-) Data (D+) and Ground (GND) with in nanoNote TXD (transmit data) RXD (receive data)... | 11:20 |
| dptech | Nobody ? Ok, I'm using RS232 serial male connector... | 11:27 |
| xiangfu | dptech: Hi , what you mean "create usbboot" ? | 11:37 |
| dptech | xiangfu: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Ben_nanonote_serial2.jpg | 11:44 |
| dptech | xiangfu: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode | 11:45 |
| xiangfu | dptech: you need a rs232 -- TTL converter to get the serial output. | 11:47 |
| xiangfu | dptech: if you want boot to hardware-usbboot. just short the two usbboot pins then press the [RESET] hole. | 11:48 |
| rafa | larsc: I will do a pull of 2.6.34.. is there some issue to know ? | 11:52 |
| rafa | larsc: proper config for nn is in arch/mips/configs? | 11:53 |
| larsc | rafa: it should work, config is in arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig | 11:55 |
| rafa | larsc: great, thanks a lot | 11:58 |
| rafa | larsc: I will let you know how it goes | 11:58 |
| nebajoth | rofl | 11:59 |
| nebajoth | I'm compiling a mud server on my NN. | 11:59 |
| dptech | xiangfu: Well, i see! If I understand, I can boot in usb with this method | 12:01 |
| freespace | nebajoth: what distro/compiler? | 12:06 |
| nebajoth | debian/gcc | 12:07 |
| freespace | cool | 12:07 |
| nebajoth | I love having debian on here | 12:09 |
| rafa | larsc: short question: is arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig okey to use with MicroSD?. Have you tried? | 13:26 |
| rafa | larsc: arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig does not have SD set.. Does it work okey?.. I have had lot of problems with arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig before | 15:09 |
| rafa | larsc: that is why I am asking.. | 15:09 |
| rafa | (work okey= if SD works okey with 2.6.34 and arch/mips/configs/qi_lb60_defconfig config) | 15:10 |
| larsc | rafa? | 15:35 |
| rafa | yes man | 15:40 |
| rafa | me here.. | 15:40 |
| rafa | larsc: I built.. because no output on screen I can not say much. It does not work for me now.. I will try to realize (some day :P) which is the problem.. | 15:41 |
| rafa | larsc: black screen, booting from SD | 15:41 |
| rafa | larsc: so I am not sure if it mounted rootfs, or where it finishes | 15:42 |
| calamarz | keymouse working on my nn :) | 16:05 |
| calamarz | now I can play scummvm XD | 16:06 |
| rafa | HEY!.. we release a new v2 beta jlime version.. some braves? :) | 17:32 |
| wolfspraul | rafa: v2 already...! | 17:51 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: yes, pure beta but nice :) | 17:57 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: I sent an email, but it has not arrived yet it seems | 17:57 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: we still use our 2.6.34 kernel which has a few problems and it is a little outdated.. I have not been able to use current git kernel.. it does not boot well for us. I also have not had time to report properly the problem, if there is a problem, I do not know. larsc sais that all is okey, so surely it is my fault.. but well, | 18:00 |
| rafa | I am not sure what to do next.. for now I was working hard on userland side. I will wait a while to try again current git kernel | 18:01 |
| rafa | our 2.6.34 kernel= kernel from qi git, but with our own .config and outdated | 18:02 |
| rafa | lars said* | 18:02 |
| wolfspraul | rafa: you sent an email where? do the qi discussion or developer list? | 18:15 |
| wolfspraul | s/do/to/ | 18:15 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: both | 18:16 |
| wolfspraul | hmm | 18:16 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: anyway, the beta v2 is the same that you have watched in the youtube vide.. with X and matchbox GUI | 18:20 |
| wolfspraul | rafa: I looked at the server a little. Seems the mail traffic is so high now that spam checking is the bottleneck. | 18:58 |
| wolfspraul | so your mails were temporarily rejected for a while... | 18:58 |
| wolfspraul | unfortunately spamassassing needs so much memory I cannot easily increase the number of processes, need to look into it some more | 18:58 |
| wolfspraul | thanks for letting me know, should be faster! | 18:58 |
| urandom_ | i had some nice idea today: placing some trackpoint style device next to the speaker and then next to it two buttons, which could be used as mouse buttons but also for making the nanonote a good gaming device (mainly for retro games i think), that would be awesome but dont know if doable | 19:12 |
| wolfspraul | he, yeah, good idea | 19:17 |
| wolfspraul | we have all sorts of things written up here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ya_NanoNote_Specs | 19:18 |
| wolfspraul | see at the bottom "trackball like HTC Dream" etc. | 19:19 |
| wolfspraul | but realistically, it will not happen in Ya | 19:19 |
| wolfspraul | our resources are extremely limited, and we focus them pretty exclusively on reducing the price of the device | 19:19 |
| urandom_ | yeah i know, we already talked about it :P | 19:20 |
| neil_ | wolfspraul: do you know if Ya will have USB host? at least we could use a USB mouse then | 19:23 |
| urandom_ | my usb mouse is bigger than my nano that will be look funny ;) | 19:24 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: great.. I see the mail now ;) | 19:25 |
| urandom_ | USB host has the highest priority neil_ | 19:26 |
| neil_ | urandom_: great. I'd love to plug in my Wingman Extreme 3D. that would look even funnier | 19:27 |
| urandom_ | yeah usb host will be awesome! lots of new stuff to do with the ben | 19:29 |
| max_posedon | usb host 1.1 doesn't gives much opportunetes imho | 19:31 |
| neil_ | max_posedon: should be good enough for a mouse and 802.11 | 19:32 |
| wolfspraul | neil_: USB host is easy to add, and gives a lot of functionality from our free software perspective | 19:32 |
| wolfspraul | easy = cheap | 19:32 |
| neil_ | wolfspraul: music to my ears | 19:33 |
| wolfspraul | so whenever those things come together - 1) cheap 2) makes a lot of sense for free software, then it's high on the list | 19:33 |
| mth | any chance of internal wifi support? | 19:33 |
| wolfspraul | gotta run, Nelson waiting downstairs, sorry... | 19:33 |
| max_posedon | neil_, yes, but... I'm not sure that it will give you much | 19:33 |
| wolfspraul | mth: integrated wifi probably not | 19:33 |
| wolfspraul | we'll see | 19:33 |
| max_posedon | e.g. I just want attach ben to freerunner | 19:33 |
| max_posedon | it could be killer pair) | 19:33 |
| wolfspraul | I'd rather add an RF solution that is open to the PHY layer | 19:33 |
| wolfspraul | even if that means in the first year nothing more than sending 'hello world' from one device to the next will work :-) | 19:34 |
| wolfspraul | bbl | 19:34 |
| mth | for a portable device, it's useful to be interoperable with all the existing access points ;) | 19:34 |
| urandom_ | but the RF solutions that are open arent used by anyone else :( | 19:34 |
| urandom_ | i am not against using stuff that nobody else is using if it is good technology but i wonder if this hoperf stuff makes any sense | 19:36 |
| wolfspraul | mth: sorry had to go offline | 20:40 |
| mth | no problem | 20:41 |
| wolfspraul | so about Wi-Fi, well at least me personally I will probably try to keep it outside of the Ya NanoNote | 20:41 |
| mth | I typed this just after you left: | 20:41 |
| wolfspraul | but we may be working on another product, wall computer, with integrated Wi-Fi | 20:41 |
| mth | <mth> for a portable device, it's useful to be interoperable with all the existing access points ;) | 20:41 |
| wolfspraul | don't know really, it all depends on a lot of technology and what works and what doesn't | 20:41 |
| wolfspraul | of course that is useful | 20:41 |
| wolfspraul | I'm just not satisfied running a large black box that does all the intersting things | 20:43 |
| mth | if the device is aimed at hardware hackers, that's a valid point | 20:45 |
| mth | if it's aimed at software hackers that just want an internet connection to access their repository, it's a different story | 20:46 |
| larsc | well, the goal of the qi-project is to inovate in the area of open hardware | 20:47 |
| wolfspraul | an RF stack is not software? | 20:48 |
| mth | I don't really know enough of all layers involved in WiFi | 20:48 |
| mth | for me personally, it would be sufficient if the device driver is open | 20:49 |
| wolfspraul | sure, you are not alone in saying that and it's understandable | 20:49 |
| wolfspraul | believe me, I'd say every other day or so someone looks at me with big eyes that try to tell me "are you stupid in not including Wi-Fi in this thing?" | 20:50 |
| mth | if I were a hardware hacker, I'd probably draw the boundaries differently :) | 20:50 |
| mth | but there is always a black box somewhere, at least in the foreseeable future | 20:51 |
| mth | for example, I don't have sources for the software in my cable modem | 20:51 |
| wolfspraul | ok, one by one | 20:51 |
| mth | but if I did, then I still wouldn't have access to my provider's routers etc | 20:51 |
| wolfspraul | I don't think a blackbox 'always' has to be there, especially not in the foreseeable future | 20:51 |
| wolfspraul | a lot of pieces are in place, they just need to be put together, which is what we are working on | 20:52 |
| wolfspraul | well, your provider's router is another thing, but for the devices you are using, there really is no need for black boxes, in a few years | 20:53 |
| mth | there is no technical need for black boxes, but even if we're moving to an open world (I hope so, but I'm not sure), the intertia will be huge | 20:53 |
| mth | *inertia | 20:54 |
| wolfspraul | he, I would agree on the inertia, but that's why you need to start early :-) | 20:54 |
| mth | a lot of people don't really understand why openness is needed | 20:59 |
| mth | for example, in the Netherlands voting machines are no longer allowed, but on the grounds that eavesdropping is possible, not because the votes are unverifiable | 21:00 |
| mth | to me, it seems rather pointless to vote in secret when you have no guarantee it will actually be counted | 21:00 |
| mth | so imo, they did the right thing for the wrong reason | 21:01 |
| mth | well, the less important right reason, because secrecy of voting is also important | 21:01 |
| urandom_ | why is secrecy important? | 21:02 |
| mth | to avoid intimidation as a way of getting more votes | 21:03 |
| urandom_ | nah dont think that would work, "vote for us or we beat the crap out of you" isnt an democrativ sysem anyway | 21:06 |
| mth | it happens in countries that are in name democraties though | 21:07 |
| urandom_ | yeah but then it doesnt mather if there is secrecy or if you can vote anyway, doesnt change something | 21:09 |
| mth | I think it does make a difference: if a group tries to take power by force, it will be clear that they have done so, instead of them pointing to fraudulent elections as an excuse | 21:10 |
| urandom_ | also we dont have any democratic countries in the world if you go by greece definition (but then voting for people hasnt to do anythink with democracy at all) | 21:11 |
| mth | anyway, my point is that it will be difficult to convince people that they need open hardware when they still trust Facebook with all details of their social life | 21:13 |
| urandom_ | so yeah maybe they look better with fake votes i agree | 21:13 |
| urandom_ | my point was just that there is something already wrong when you need secrecy | 21:14 |
| mth | in an ideal world you could vote openly indeed, but I don't see it happening very soon | 21:15 |
| urandom_ | i dont really understand the web 2.0 stuff, whats so cool about it, i never use it | 21:16 |
| urandom_ | "omg i am so importand i need my own webblog and shit" | 21:16 |
| mth | well, web 2.0 is a marketing term for web apps + sites build on user-generated content | 21:17 |
| mth | I do think web apps are useful | 21:17 |
| mth | and user generated content can be useful, but it all depends on the quality of that content | 21:17 |
| mth | something like github could be called web 2.0 | 21:17 |
| mth | now everybody has the means to write their own newspaper, but very few people have both an interesting story to tell and the skills to tell it well | 21:19 |
| urandom_ | well stuff like wikis, github and indypendant news are usefull and cool | 21:20 |
| urandom_ | but there is so much shit now | 21:22 |
| urandom_ | nobody knows how to use irc anymore | 21:23 |
| urandom_ | booting jlime kernel from fat16 didnt work at all for me, tryed the whole day long, used ext2 instead and worked lol | 23:38 |
| arctanx | urandom_: it could be related to this recent commit to u-boot... http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/commit/ff43eecc8fd4179629712d83682707fed4ea37ba/ | 23:41 |
| arctanx | as I think was pointed out by rafa on the list | 23:41 |
| Action: arctanx is slowly downloading the new userland now | 23:42 | |
| urandom_ | ah ok, so http://jlime.com/mw4/index.php/Installation_nanonote has to be updated | 23:42 |
| arctanx | the trick is to download their version of the u-boot | 23:43 |
| arctanx | my current speculation is that they have a slightly older build | 23:43 |
| urandom_ | yeah i did not use theire u-boot cause i already had the newest | 23:44 |
| arctanx | that'd do it then | 23:44 |
| arctanx | there is still the screen corruption on debian boot bug, so expect more churn in this area in the coming weeks | 23:45 |
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