| Textmode | buildin', buildin', buildin' / keep that soucecode buildin' / buildin', buildin', buildin' / alllll night! | 00:02 |
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| calamarz | Textmode: what are you building? | 00:05 |
| Textmode | openwrt-xburst | 00:05 |
| kristianpaul | anyone remene the name name wich is fault tolerant ? | 00:06 |
| kristianpaul | damm sorry | 00:06 |
| kristianpaul | i need sleep better | 00:06 |
| kristianpaul | i was askign the name of the network system wich is fault tolerant | 00:06 |
| calamarz | kristianpaul: network fs? | 00:09 |
| kristianpaul | calamarz: i think is missing something, at least you can point me to the wikipedia article | 00:12 |
| kristianpaul | anyw ay | 00:12 |
| kristianpaul | gn9 | 00:12 |
| calamarz | kristianpaul: just was wondering if you mean network filesystems with fault tolerance | 00:13 |
| freespace | hrm, why is openwrt's build system insisting on running make install :/ | 00:32 |
| freespace | i had overwritten Build/Compile, but it is still doing it | 00:33 |
| Textmode | :/ | 00:33 |
| Textmode | is that bad? | 00:34 |
| freespace | well it is not letting me compile fbpad | 00:34 |
| freespace | hrm, i tihnk i will just pach the makefile to have one | 00:34 |
| freespace | that feels bad though | 00:35 |
| Textmode | :o | 00:42 |
| Textmode | the build finished | 00:42 |
| Textmode | ...what do I do now? :P | 00:43 |
| freespace | flash it? :) | 00:44 |
| freespace | i made a dir on the same level as openwrt-xburst called custom_image | 00:44 |
| freespace | symlink'd the ubi and bin files from openwrt-xburst/bin/xburst | 00:45 |
| freespace | copied the u-boot.bin in there as well | 00:45 |
| freespace | then used reflash_ben.sh | 00:45 |
| kyak | every morning i'm reading the backlog and understand that everbody is minding his own business.. maybe only a short notice in chan "i did this, i did that" | 00:51 |
| kyak | no documentation, no common source of information | 00:51 |
| kyak | perhaps this is due to the fact of owrt/debian/jlime/dingoo actually splitting the community | 00:52 |
| kyak | our efforts are spread | 00:54 |
| kyak | we need to kind of TODO list for Ben | 00:54 |
| kyak | *some kind of | 00:54 |
| kyak | or me can keep acting as every man for himself | 00:56 |
| Textmode | i think everyone is still trying to see what can be done. | 01:06 |
| Textmode | though I do agree that theres a lot of repeated effort. | 01:06 |
| Textmode | that, at least, should be reduced. | 01:06 |
| Textmode | freespace: why would I flash it, all I wantted was the toolchain | 01:08 |
| kyak | it is mostly a question of what _needs_ to be done, that what can be done | 01:08 |
| Textmode | kyak: yes, but theres more than one way to skin a cat, certain things might "need" to be done, but whats the *best* way? | 01:09 |
| Textmode | surely theres such a list on the wiki, or something? | 01:10 |
| kyak | i've never seen such list | 01:10 |
| Textmode | then that seems like a good place to start. | 01:10 |
| calamarz | kyak: roadmap++ | 01:13 |
| kyak | more like todo++ | 01:14 |
| calamarz | kyak: and maybe also important communication channels for each 'team', as there are people of several and different fronts | 01:15 |
| calamarz | personally I don't see dist splitting as a problem | 01:15 |
| calamarz | as long as there is cross-fertilization | 01:15 |
| calamarz | something interesting would be ipkg<->deb conversions | 01:16 |
| kyak | dist splitting leads to less effort put in each of them | 01:16 |
| freespace | Textmode: ah, i see :) | 01:16 |
| Textmode | I think kyak's point is that its a bit to early to be splitting our effort | 01:17 |
| kyak | it's like thousands of linux distros.. just a waste of human resources | 01:17 |
| kyak | Textmode: maybe you are right! Maybe we need to have a solid base | 01:17 |
| Textmode | kyak: most linux distro's have their own flavor, though. they solve different problems, and are targeted at differnet users. | 01:17 |
| kyak | Textmode: yes, this is why 20-30 distros would be enough | 01:18 |
| kyak | or even less | 01:18 |
| kyak | but not literally thousand | 01:18 |
| kyak | s | 01:18 |
| Textmode | kyak: I wouldn't be so sure, theres a lot more feaild of endevour than you thing, and everyone has their own style and preferences. | 01:19 |
| calamarz | for the nn, I see openwrt/debian as a very good couple | 01:19 |
| Textmode | thats not to say there *isn't* just plain wasted effort out there, how many "micro *nixes" do we really need? | 01:19 |
| Textmode | I mean, how many ways is there to make a minimal system? | 01:19 |
| calamarz | what would be for you the most urgent thing now in the todo? | 01:20 |
| kyak | Textmode: let's change a set of wallpapers of release a new linux distro? This is a metaphor, but you get the point | 01:20 |
| kyak | calamarz: actually, yesterday i've seen that jlime makes it a good triple :) | 01:21 |
| kyak | or trinity | 01:21 |
| Textmode | kyak: style and preference includes *functional*, consider the emacs Vs VIM wars :P | 01:21 |
| calamarz | kyak: not so much of a metaphor... i've seen governments wasting tons of money in "reinveinting" debian when actually they were paying graphic designers :p | 01:22 |
| kyak | my first thing in todo would be WiFi (i mean, the ks7010 driver for sdio card).. But as of now i'm always distracted from this target | 01:22 |
| calamarz | how much is that sdio card, btw? | 01:22 |
| calamarz | personally, I'm excited about compiling a bunch of good framebuffer goodies | 01:23 |
| kyak | manufacturer offered me for 70 USD, while Zhang Yi of sharism kindly offered me it for 49 USD :) | 01:23 |
| calamarz | it's like a revival, i like the challenge of small ram, try to live w/o X etc | 01:24 |
| calamarz | kyak: is that a friend's price or they have supplies? | 01:24 |
| Textmode | calamarz: I like having an excuse to be minimal again. | 01:24 |
| kyak | calamarz: i was told this was their leftover in their warehouse | 01:24 |
| kyak | so i don't know if more left | 01:25 |
| Textmode | pity | 01:25 |
| Textmode | i don't really have any use for wifi, though. | 01:25 |
| kyak | there should definitely be a special offer for this card when byuing Ben | 01:25 |
| Textmode | what I *would* like is a real ethernet port, but thats not happening. | 01:25 |
| calamarz | mmm another thing I would like to try one day is connecting ben to lafonera via serial | 01:26 |
| calamarz | that would be a good wardriving toy ]:) | 01:26 |
| Textmode | lafonera? | 01:26 |
| Textmode | heh | 01:26 |
| calamarz | mmm it's a cheap wifi router running openwrt | 01:27 |
| kyak | calamarz: instead, you should connect it to a GPS module via serial and use sdio WiFi card :) | 01:27 |
| kyak | then you'll have a warwalking toy :) | 01:28 |
| calamarz | hehe | 01:28 |
| calamarz | also have to play connecting it to the freerunner :) gps via usb | 01:29 |
| calamarz | but i don't like wifi cards that cannot be pigtailed | 01:29 |
| calamarz | mmm yesterday I found the ben personalities program in the wiki | 01:31 |
| calamarz | and liked the idea | 01:31 |
| newbie007 | greetings, I'm trying to decide what to do with my nanonote | 01:46 |
| newbie007 | I was thinking of putting dingoo (? is that what it's called) on it. Can someone point me to a tutorial for it.. I haven't found one on google | 01:47 |
| freespace | debian? | 01:51 |
| newbie007 | I found a debian tutorial, what scares me about it is that the filesystem could get corrupted | 01:51 |
| newbie007 | I don't get how X would work. It's not gnome right? but it has a graphical menu of some sort? | 01:52 |
| calamarz | newbie007: afaik, dingoo is the device, and dingux what you can install on a dingoo http://www.dingux.com/ | 01:53 |
| calamarz | but compatibility is not 100% seems http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ben-nanonote-faq/msg17235/ | 01:53 |
| newbie007 | ah, yes | 01:53 |
| calamarz | newbie007: the holy trinity for nn distros looks like being openwrt-jlime-debian | 01:54 |
| newbie007 | I read somewhere, that I need to connect two wires located under the battery to flash the device | 01:54 |
| newbie007 | but on some nano notes, I can hit some key combination. how can I tell which nano note I have ? | 01:55 |
| calamarz | you can also do it pressing power+some key yes | 01:55 |
| calamarz | that worked for me | 01:55 |
| newbie007 | thansk for the link that's what I was looking for | 01:55 |
| calamarz | dont remember if was power+s or power+n or... | 01:55 |
| newbie007 | I have another quesiton I read that the device is not a USB host,, I don't know what that means | 01:56 |
| newbie007 | I was hoping to hook it up to a usb device (that I would build) that would accept a signal then flip a relay on/off | 01:56 |
| calamarz | power + U it was | 01:57 |
| newbie007 | thanks | 01:57 |
| calamarz | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode | 01:58 |
| newbie007 | Could I hook a usb keyboard to it, or a usb monitor ? | 01:58 |
| calamarz | newbie007: usb is master/slave protocol, so nn can only act as device | 01:58 |
| calamarz | seems that the chip is able to act as host, but it is not wired to the exterior (I didn't understood 100% the explanation myself lol) | 01:59 |
| newbie007 | huh | 02:00 |
| newbie007 | thanks for the info! | 02:00 |
| calamarz | you can play with devices via serial though | 02:00 |
| calamarz | np | 02:00 |
| newbie007 | where is the serial located? | 02:00 |
| calamarz | afaik you have to connect wires in spots right under the battery | 02:01 |
| calamarz | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console | 02:01 |
| newbie007 | how do you use yours? | 02:02 |
| calamarz | my nn? I use it to procrastinate from my real job :p | 02:03 |
| calamarz | but the main interesting uses I see are media player and pocket-book reader | 02:04 |
| calamarz | carrying wikipedia in your pocket will be candy | 02:05 |
| newbie007 | what OS ? | 02:05 |
| calamarz | debian | 02:05 |
| newbie007 | wikipedia would be awesome, I read that the full zipped version is like 10 gigs | 02:05 |
| calamarz | re. data loss, you can partition a sd and have there your data in a fs that supports fsck | 02:08 |
| calamarz | only try to shutdown properly | 02:09 |
| newbie007 | ah | 02:11 |
| newbie007 | I'm still very new to linux, but love it so far | 02:12 |
| calamarz | glad to hear that :) | 02:14 |
| Action: Textmode huggles zear :D | 02:16 | |
| newbie007 | I can't seem to find the official dingux site, I do see a blog www.dingux.com and several rapidshare links | 02:25 |
| Textmode | its kinda an add-hoc effort. | 02:27 |
| Textmode | the offcial site is a blog and google project page. | 02:27 |
| Textmode | and if you really want to know about dingux, try in #dingoonity | 02:27 |
| newbie007 | thx! | 02:29 |
| Textmode | meep? | 04:32 |
| kyak | i wonder is owrt-xburst is runnable in qemu | 05:21 |
| kyak | should try sometime | 05:21 |
| kyak | should be cool | 05:21 |
| freespace | would be real useful too | 06:04 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: you there? | 06:53 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: Hi | 06:53 |
| wolfspraul | in the openwrt downloads folder, there is now a uImage and zImage kernel | 06:53 |
| wolfspraul | http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/2010-06-15/ | 06:53 |
| wolfspraul | what's the difference between the two? | 06:54 |
| xiangfu | uImage is for the u-boot. zImage is self unpack can direct run in MEM. | 06:54 |
| wolfspraul | zImage can be used with xbboot? but where is the initramfs? | 06:55 |
| wolfspraul | how can someone use the zImage? | 06:55 |
| xiangfu | yes zImage can be used with xbboot. to build the initramfs need change the 'make menuconfig' rootfs to 'ramfs' | 06:58 |
| kyak | hm, there is no -kernel option in qemu-mipsel.. i guess i don't know what to do next :) any hints? | 06:59 |
| larsc | kyak: it wont run | 07:00 |
| kyak | larsc: is it because our cpu is not supported? | 07:01 |
| larsc | but there is http://code.google.com/p/jz-hacking/wiki/qemujz | 07:01 |
| larsc | kyak: the soc is not supported, correct | 07:01 |
| larsc | the cpu is ;) | 07:01 |
| kyak | looks like a great link, thanks! | 07:01 |
| kyak | larsc: have you tried it? | 07:02 |
| kyak | the screenshot is beautiful :) i guess what they are running as WM | 07:02 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: I make the u-boot work in jz4760 evb board. | 07:03 |
| larsc | wohho! | 07:03 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: niiice! | 07:05 |
| rafa | xiangfu: ;-) great man | 07:05 |
| wolfspraul | in case people don't know - Ingenic is our fly on the wall at Ingenic | 07:06 |
| wolfspraul | bit more than fly on the wall maybe | 07:06 |
| wolfspraul | he can walk in, grab whatever EVB he wants, and start hacking | 07:06 |
| wolfspraul | larsc: that is also in large part to the impressive work you have been doing and Ingenic is clearly aware of | 07:06 |
| wolfspraul | (typo, I meant "Xiangfu is our fly on the wall at Ingenic") | 07:06 |
| wolfspraul | I hope they will soon give us 1 or 2 EVBs so we can send one to Adam or Lars or others that are interested | 07:07 |
| wolfspraul | but right now they have only 10 for the whole company, so understandably cannot give them out yet | 07:07 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: so for the zImage.bin, I still need a separate ramfs/initramfs? how do I use that zImage.bin with xbboot? | 07:08 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: I think that lars and xiangfu are doing a really really great work. If I see the device from jlime side I can tell you that we have a quickly way to make a distro because there are uboot and kernel, and also, there are people working and helping others, like me, to use those. | 07:08 |
| kyak | are these boards a Ya prototype? | 07:08 |
| kyak | or more like Bens suitable for hacking? | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | hmm | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | no it's a number of steps | 07:08 |
| wolfspraul | first it's a new SoC being made | 07:09 |
| wolfspraul | and it will show up in many products in the future | 07:09 |
| kyak | what's the difference, anyway? more GPIOs? | 07:09 |
| xiangfu | wolfspraul: I will send email to list about the zImage.bin. or wiki. write the steps. :) | 07:10 |
| wolfspraul | rafa: sure I agree. without that impressive work at the bottom we would be nowhere. | 07:10 |
| wolfspraul | xiangfu: yes, great. thanks. | 07:10 |
| larsc | kyak: i guess jz4740 compared to jz4760, is simpliar to a Pentium II compared to a Pentium III, or so | 07:10 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: do you want to use initramfs in ben nanonote? | 07:11 |
| wolfspraul | I think we are using it already and it works, just not well documented | 07:12 |
| rafa | wolfspraul: I have tried to use initramfs inside the kernel, without luck | 07:12 |
| rafa | I am interested as well, and if we can use initramfs I would go for kexec to have a boot menu and some easier way to upgrade the nand rootfs or SD | 07:13 |
| kyak | larsc: i see, good comparison | 07:14 |
| freespace | finally, default small font | 09:13 |
| freespace | i am a machine | 09:38 |
| freespace | i can not pass the captcha on the qi-hardware wiki | 09:39 |
| freespace | i wonder if i am turing complete... | 09:39 |
| freespace | s/turing complete/a turing machine/ | 09:39 |
| freespace | (also openid is broken for google/blogger, yahoo/flikr) | 09:40 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: hi | 10:21 |
| wolfspraul | hi | 10:22 |
| rafa | larsc: have you tested your .config (2.6.34) with microSD? | 10:22 |
| kristianpaul | what the name of the fault tolerant netowrk you pointed in the dev list some time ago | 10:22 |
| kristianpaul | what is* | 10:22 |
| rafa | it always gives me kernel panic | 10:22 |
| rafa | but I have not been able to read all the debug messages to realize out which is the problem | 10:22 |
| larsc | rafa there is a bug in the current kernel which prevents the mmc driver from loading | 10:22 |
| rafa | I have a .config which works for jlime | 10:22 |
| rafa | with 2.6.34 | 10:23 |
| rafa | and micro SD | 10:23 |
| rafa | larsc: ah.. okey | 10:23 |
| larsc | i'll push the fix when i'm home | 10:23 |
| larsc | in 30 minutes or so | 10:23 |
| rafa | larsc: great, thanks | 10:23 |
| freespace | wolfspraul: openid login on the wiki is broken, and i can't pass the captcha - i imagine other ppl will have problems too | 10:24 |
| rafa | larsc: we are talking about git://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git right? | 10:25 |
| rafa | (where you will push the patches) | 10:25 |
| wolfspraul | freespace: he, OK. I know openid is broken. | 10:25 |
| wolfspraul | captcha is too hard | 10:25 |
| wolfspraul | I am totally swamped right now, give me a bit of time and I will first make the captcha easier. | 10:25 |
| larsc | rafa: yes | 10:26 |
| wolfspraul | maybe I kick out the openid, I heard from other mediawiki admins that it never really works | 10:26 |
| freespace | sure, i understand | 10:26 |
| wolfspraul | thanks for the heads up! | 10:26 |
| wolfspraul | I appreciate. We need more wiki edits. | 10:26 |
| freespace | nod, that was why i was trying to signup :) | 10:26 |
| rafa | larsc: cool, thanks | 10:26 |
| wolfspraul | freespace: have you tried the captcha a few times :-) | 10:28 |
| rafa | larsc: another little issue: I can not make vmlinuz, it fails building.. how should we make zImage like xiangfu suggested on mailling list? | 10:28 |
| wolfspraul | sorry this is the default setting of mediawiki, I also think it's a bit hard :-) | 10:28 |
| freespace | i tried about 5 times | 10:30 |
| freespace | then i got tired of it. i had to type in the password each time | 10:31 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: fault tolerant wireless network? | 10:37 |
| kristianpaul | i cant remenber well.. | 10:37 |
| kristianpaul | or fault tolerant distributed network | 10:38 |
| kristianpaul | :S | 10:38 |
| freespace | well look at that | 12:09 |
| freespace | links -g is almost working | 12:09 |
| freespace | out of memory eh | 12:11 |
| larsc | rafa: oh, sorry... forgot about you while chilling in the sun on the balcony. fix is pushed now | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix mmc memory region http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/c9d00ac | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: Rename jz_mmc.c to jz4740_mmc.c http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/56b39e0 | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: board qi_b60: Small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/13fc012 | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: ohci: Small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/2b7bd99 | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: mmc: small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/e8531c0 | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: nand: small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/6ca6b12 | 12:12 |
| qi-commits | Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: fb: Small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/f6cda2a | 12:12 |
| freespace | hrm, shame | 12:14 |
| freespace | and i keep running out of memory | 12:15 |
| tuxbrain_away | you have swap? | 12:16 |
| freespace | looks like i do | 12:16 |
| freespace | wait, nope | 12:17 |
| freespace | should fix that | 12:17 |
| freespace | oh well | 12:17 |
| freespace | least i got directfb going | 12:17 |
| freespace | and links, even though the size is all screwy and it's slow and unusable without a mouse | 12:17 |
| rafa | larsc: great.. I will pull | 12:49 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Let git ignore files we expect to be generated during the build. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/1bead23 | 13:13 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Removed aclocal.m4, since it is a generated file. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8b0f382 | 13:13 |
| tuxbrain_away | reiceved a gps module, searching a place inside BNN to do a rework, best candidate between speaker and SD | 13:23 |
| nebajoth | yes hello o/ | 13:34 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Removed PXML support. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/dae5627 | 13:42 |
| tuxbrain_away | picture taked with the ephel cam is brutal for close ups http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/elphelimg_searching_bnn_gps_place.jpeg | 13:56 |
| Flaming_Goat | wow is that a nanonote witha gps | 14:04 |
| tuxbrain_away | but not conected (yet) | 14:07 |
| Flaming_Goat | cool. the nanonote scene is starting to look pretty interesting. Does it have a forum? | 14:11 |
| xdpirate | Flaming_Goat, http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ | 14:22 |
| tuxbrain_away | i will upload the matherial previosly to maka a full wiki article if succesful here http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/gps/ | 14:39 |
| tuxbrain_away | any one knows if there is a small switch with 2i/o in one side 4 i/o in other (two pairs) and I can control what pair is conected? even manually if is three ways based instead of pairs better but not mandatory. I want it to select between gps or serial plug of the TP4/TP5 | 14:49 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain_away: you could probably use regular logic chips with and gates from 7400 or 4000 series | 14:52 |
| Ornotermes | and by adding a demux you can select 4 different channels with two bits | 14:54 |
| tuxbrain_away | Ornotermes: an schema on how to put all this together will be tremendously helpful, in spite what you might thing I'm totally a wannabe lammer on eletronics (and a lot of other things :P) | 15:04 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain_away: or maybe mux and demux | 15:05 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain_away: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexer | 15:05 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain_away: http://gallery.slashhome.se/main.php?g2_itemId=1969&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 | 15:36 |
| Ornotermes | i'm not sure it would work :P | 15:37 |
| Ornotermes | http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.328087/htc-hero-uppdateras-i-slutet-av-juni?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+idg%2Fvzzs+%28IDG.se%3A+Hetaste+IT-nyheterna+fr%C3%A5n+IDG.se%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 16:02 |
| Ornotermes | oops, wrong tab | 16:02 |
| tuxbrain | Ornotermes: do you think I can avoid the amplifiers? | 18:09 |
| mth | could someone please check whether /usr/mipsel-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1/unordered_map exists in the toolchain for the NanoNote? | 18:37 |
| mth | (substitute the actual GCC version for 4.3.3 if necessary) | 18:37 |
| tuxbrain | ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/debug/unordered_map | 18:42 |
| tuxbrain | ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1_impl/unordered_map | 18:42 |
| tuxbrain | ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/unordered_map | 18:42 |
| tuxbrain | ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1/unordered_map | 18:42 |
| mth | tuxbrain: thanks, now I can commit some improvements to gmenu2x | 18:43 |
| tuxbrain | great :) | 18:44 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Replaced "hash_map" by "unordered_map" to get rid of deprecation warnings. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9f21df7 | 18:46 |
| tuxbrain | I hope some one dedicate some love to keymapping and help screen | 18:47 |
| mth | I'm simplifying the build, so other people can easily pick it up and do other stuff ;) | 18:50 |
| mth | I want to remove some potential crashes, since zear keeps complaining that the OpenDingux kernel makes gmenu2x crash and I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel's fault :) | 18:51 |
| tuxbrain | Thanks a lot mth, have a clean and handy gui launcher is very impotant for the hole project | 18:54 |
| tuxbrain | hole->whole :P | 18:54 |
| mth | I'm mostly doing it for the Dingoo, but I'm glad to help the NanoNote | 18:54 |
| tuxbrain | Enter:Launch link/Confirmation (actual "X key"/B on help) | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | Q,P:Change section (L and R on Help and screen, also change L, R on the top corners) | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | F1:Show manual/readme (actual "Z key/Y on screen) | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | VolUP,VolDown:Change volume | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | Space:Show contextual menu(actual "Esc Key", SELECT in help) | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | The options menu is aviable thour Settings/GMenu2x so no need to have dedicated key. | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | Also as long time project integrate it with /usr/share/applications, desktop files instead of his own file format shouldbe awesome, but step by step first cleaning, then(or meanwhile keymaping) then adding features. | 19:01 |
| tuxbrain | I just writte it down to have some place to rescue when I forget it | 19:01 |
| methril | hi all! | 19:02 |
| nebajoth | y halo thar | 19:02 |
| tuxbrain | hi dude | 19:02 |
| mth | tuxbrain: I think key bindings can already be specified in a config file | 19:03 |
| mth | input.conf | 19:03 |
| tuxbrain | yeah but also has to be changed on the help screen | 19:04 |
| mth | ah, the help screen doesn't automatically show the actual bindings? | 19:06 |
| eharrington | hey, sorry to interrupt, am trying to install debian on sd card, but can't figure out how to mount it. noticed this error from dmesg: mmc0: error -122 whilst initialising SD card, anyone seen this before? (card is formatted ext2 on my ubuntu 10.04) | 19:09 |
| nebajoth | eharrington: I have debian installed on my flash (more to come) | 19:12 |
| nebajoth | I get that error message intermittently | 19:12 |
| nebajoth | when I push my microsd card in while the NN is already running | 19:12 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: it's NOT-gates, and it's needed with that combination of chips | 19:12 |
| nebajoth | I use the microsd for swap space | 19:12 |
| nebajoth | I have just popped it out | 19:12 |
| nebajoth | and popped it back in | 19:12 |
| nebajoth | and it has worked after the second or third try | 19:13 |
| nebajoth | I wonder if it has to do with a bad connection | 19:13 |
| tuxbrain | Ornotermes: ok, understand NANDS will revert the output that has to be rereverted to fine :) | 19:14 |
| tuxbrain | Ornotermes: just another question, do you believe 4000 series will fit for serial comunication, I read 4000 not support as higher HZ than the 7400 familie do you think 4000 can deal with at least 57600 bps? | 19:16 |
| tuxbrain | 7400 family minimum voltage is to high for 3,3V of BNN | 19:17 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: im not shure using nand would do the trick, let me think a minute | 19:19 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: 74HC/74HCT-series has a 2V to 6V supplay(they are CMOS) | 19:21 |
| eharrington | Thank-you nebajoth ! (maybe a little film left from mfg?) showing up with dmesg now. | 19:22 |
| nebajoth | I'm glad that worked for you eharrington | 19:23 |
| nebajoth | :) | 19:23 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: speed shouldn't be an issue with any rather modern logic, but HC/HCT should be able to handle 25MHz | 19:23 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/74series.htm | 19:23 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: you could not nand chips instead of not and and chips, but i can take another look anyway | 19:29 |
| Textmode | Morning all | 19:33 |
| tuxbrain | I think I got it I have 9 Nands gates so 3 chips (damnt one just for one gate....) mmmm | 19:35 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: why would you need 9 nand gates? | 19:36 |
| tuxbrain | mmm thinking about it , seems the i/o controler will be bigger than GPS and the 8 plug toguether .... | 19:36 |
| tuxbrain | I will draw a draft , minute | 19:37 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: you could use two 4081 and one 4555 chips i think | 19:38 |
| tuxbrain | Ornotermes: http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/gps/draft_serial_switcher_NAND.jpeg | 19:50 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: forbidden | 19:50 |
| tuxbrain | ok try now | 19:54 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: you could use one and chip and a not/nand chip instead | 19:58 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: http://gallery.slashhome.se/main.php?g2_itemId=1973 | 20:00 |
| tuxbrain | not/nand chip? you mean nand chip? | 20:03 |
| tuxbrain | a nand chip to use the as not? yeah this should simplify things just two chips then | 20:04 |
| Ornotermes | ic you connect the input pins on a nand together it functions as a not | 20:04 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: you could use a transistor and two resistors as a not gate | 20:06 |
| tuxbrain | schema please | 20:07 |
| Ornotermes | http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/trancirc.htm last one | 20:08 |
| tuxbrain | even simplier 1 Ic , a transitor and two resistors :) this is taking form | 20:08 |
| Ornotermes | but i think Rc should be atleast 10k ohm to not dran battery more than needed | 20:09 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: did you see my new schematic? | 20:13 |
| tuxbrain | the transistor one? yes | 20:14 |
| Ornotermes | no, 3chip 4channel | 20:14 |
| tuxbrain | yes | 20:15 |
| Ornotermes | i googled the transistor gate | 20:15 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Use the Google Sparsehash package that is included in our source tree. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/40f7953 | 20:15 |
| mth | now gmenu2x can be compiled out of the box | 20:16 |
| tuxbrain | but I want to embed the whole thing inside the ben 3 chips is too much I just need two channels so the transitor gate+1 chip is more than fine :) | 20:17 |
| tuxbrain | thanks a lot Ornotermes :) without your help surelly I would ended rewiring by hand on each switch of channel :P | 20:18 |
| Ornotermes | tuxbrain: then you could probably build it on a dip-chip with bent out legs without pcb | 20:19 |
| tuxbrain | yes that's the goal , ugly but reduced to the max :P | 20:21 |
| Ornotermes | smd is another option | 20:21 |
| Ornotermes | if it is an option for you :P | 20:21 |
| tuxbrain | no equipment/skills to smd :( | 20:23 |
| Ornotermes | for say so16 the soldering isn't that very hard | 20:26 |
| tuxbrain | well will see, now that I have clear the schema, http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/gps/draft_serial_switcher_AND_TransNOR.jpeg , first to make the gps work :) then to easy switch between gps and serial :P | 20:36 |
| tuxbrain | maybe Mu (version after Ya) NanoNote is on the streets before I ended to tune my Ben :P | 20:37 |
| Ornotermes | what good is open hardware if you don't mod it ;) | 20:38 |
| mth | does the NN have a configurable backlight intensity? | 20:39 |
| mth | if so, what is it called in /sys/class/backlight/ ? | 20:40 |
| mth | it looks like gmenu2x cannot print disk sizes over 4GB correctly | 20:54 |
| tuxbrain | good night # | 21:08 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed display of card size and free space for numbers over 4 GB. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9884396 | 21:18 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Removed spaces at end of lines in source files. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/d3b094e | 21:18 |
| qi-commits | Maarten ter Huurne: Convert source files to UNIX newlines. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/39f01f7 | 21:18 |
| eharrington | Good Evening, (anyone awake?) I am attempting the instructions from Xiangfu to load debian onto sd card. All steps are working but when doing 'M' power on boot, I get the following: MMC card is ready - mmc1 is available - loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:1 (xxa1) ** File not found /boot/uImage - Wrong Image format for bootm command - ERROR: can't get kernal Image! ---- what should I check? thank-you | 23:50 |
| xiangfu | eharrington: double check the "/boot/uImage" file. make sure the kernel image name is : uImage, what is the size of your sd card? | 23:53 |
| eharrington | Hi Xiangfu! My card is 8 gb, if I mount card from nano I can verify that the files are in place. | 23:54 |
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