| maden | its cute | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| Action: emeb tried this: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,38,355 works- looks cool | 00:08 | |
| Textmode | is "del" mapped to anything, or do we just have backspace? | 00:21 |
| Textmode | don't suppose theres any way to change the default console font? | 00:24 |
| arctanx | Textmode: I haven't tried, but the usual kernel console font selections are available through make kernel_menuconfig | 00:29 |
| Textmode | at compile-time? | 00:29 |
| arctanx | Yes | 00:29 |
| Textmode | I'll probably mess with that at some point, but not any time soon. | 00:30 |
| Textmode | I don't suppose theres anything like a xterm for nn? :P | 00:30 |
| arctanx | I was about to say | 00:30 |
| arctanx | There's a framebuffer terminal described somewhere on the wiki | 00:30 |
| arctanx | and that does support different fonts and UTF-8 | 00:30 |
| arctanx | I've forgotten what it's called already though :/ | 00:31 |
| Textmode | ah, cool. I'll look there. | 00:31 |
| arctanx | fbterm, that'd be it | 00:31 |
| Textmode | sounds like a likely name for it. | 00:32 |
| arctanx | Ah it was on the debian page. It doesn't appear to be in the openwrt feeds | 00:33 |
| Textmode | no, I was just noticing that. | 00:33 |
| arctanx | I'm sure you could get an xterm running with a framebuffer x11 driver though | 00:33 |
| Textmode | was more wondering how hard it would be to build fbterm from source. | 00:34 |
| Textmode | on a related aside, I don't suppose anyone has taken the time to figure what the differences are between the dingux toolchain, and the nn's openwrt toolchain are? | 00:35 |
| xdpirate | hahahahaha | 00:37 |
| xdpirate | guess who's running win 3.11 on the nanonote | 00:37 |
| Textmode | lol | 00:39 |
| xdpirate | :D | 00:39 |
| arctanx | uuh, emulated right? :P | 00:39 |
| xdpirate | ofc, dosbox | 00:39 |
| arctanx | aah cool | 00:39 |
| xdpirate | :3 | 00:40 |
| arctanx | did you build that yourself or have you put debian on there? | 00:40 |
| xdpirate | arctanx, http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,72,344 | 00:41 |
| xdpirate | thing is, i can't get past registrationscreen because it doesn't pick up the numbers =/ | 00:41 |
| arctanx | Interesting... | 00:42 |
| xdpirate | and slaanesh has been silent about dosbox for a while | 00:42 |
| xdpirate | his last post on the development thread was 31 May 2010 | 00:42 |
| xdpirate | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/52517-dosbox-for-dingoo-a320/page__view__findpost__p__862863 | 00:42 |
| xdpirate | i hope he releases something soon, would be awesome | 00:44 |
| xdpirate | lols it started installing even though i didn't enter a product key | 00:48 |
| xdpirate | nice | 00:48 |
| Textmode | that certainly makes life easier :P | 00:51 |
| xdpirate | yeah lol | 00:52 |
| xdpirate | full keyboard support and mouse emulation for dosbox - and i'd be in heaven | 00:52 |
| Textmode | does the default openwrt include freetype2? probably not, but an I have a confirm? | 00:57 |
| xdpirate | i have no idea ;o | 00:57 |
| xdpirate | btw --> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7046011/11062010912.jpg | 00:58 |
| Textmode | bah, I had the link of the ben toolchain the other day, now I can't find it :/ | 00:59 |
| Textmode | xdpirate: its cute, like it doesn't know its its an artefact of history :D | 01:00 |
| arctanx | Textmode: Do you mean the git repo of the build, which includes the toolchain? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image#Building_OpenWrt-image_from_source | 01:00 |
| xdpirate | Textmode, xD | 01:00 |
| xdpirate | it's at a whopping 35% | 01:00 |
| Textmode | arctanx: might be, I want the SDK, I've been using the dingoo toolchain so far. | 01:02 |
| Textmode | xdpirate: I don't know that the qi key is *for*, but its good for waking up the screen, as everything else seems to ignore it :P | 01:03 |
| xdpirate | excellent idea, i'll start using it for that | 01:04 |
| xdpirate | omg win 3.11 is at 80% | 01:06 |
| xdpirate | so awesome | 01:06 |
| Action: Textmode sighs, watching several dozen lines of carefully crafted dialog scroll of the top of the NN's screen :P | 01:07 | |
| xdpirate | =D | 01:08 |
| Textmode | theres still a few bugs...*picks up random bystander and equips them as armor* | 01:13 |
| xdpirate | wow the install is slow :P | 01:13 |
| arctanx | Does anyone know exactly which kernel config options are required on the _host_ PC to make this usb gadgety ethernet work? | 01:14 |
| xdpirate | worked out of the box for me | 01:14 |
| xdpirate | on your host: ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.101 | 01:14 |
| xdpirate | ***on your host: ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100 | 01:14 |
| Textmode | I have to utter some incantations on the terminal, but it worked in the end, instuctions on the wiki | 01:14 |
| arctanx | I picked I've turned on "Ethernet Gadget (with CDC Ethernet support)" and RNDIS support but that doesn't seem to have done it | 01:14 |
| xdpirate | ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100, then you can telnet or ssh in | 01:15 |
| xdpirate | the ip is 192.168.254.101 | 01:15 |
| arctanx | Thanks, but I'm running a cut-down bleeding edge kernel which doesn't (yet) have the right USB driver support, so I get no usb0 device | 01:15 |
| Textmode | still not sure where to get the toolchain... | 01:16 |
| xdpirate | ah | 01:16 |
| xdpirate | Textmode, just use the precompiled dingux toolchain, it's basically the same thing | 01:16 |
| xdpirate | http://code.google.com/p/dingoo-linux/downloads/detail?name=dingux_toolchain_20091022.tar.bz2&can=2&q= | 01:17 |
| Textmode | xdpirate: basically ~= exactly | 01:17 |
| xdpirate | fine, be that way | 01:17 |
| Textmode | I already have the dingux toolchain. | 01:17 |
| xdpirate | :P | 01:17 |
| arctanx | Textmode: I cloned the most recent openwrt-xburst and having done a build, had a working toolchain in staging_dir/some_stuff/usr/bin | 01:17 |
| arctanx | it builds a toolchain as part of the image-building process | 01:17 |
| xdpirate | any way i can see the status of a process via telnet? i'm not sure whether dosbox just screwed itself over or not | 01:18 |
| Textmode | telnet, then run top? | 01:19 |
| xdpirate | thanks | 01:20 |
| Textmode | arctanx: how big is this thing? I'm being shaped... | 01:20 |
| xdpirate | wat, dosbox isn't even appearing on the list | 01:20 |
| arctanx | Textmode: pretty big. I can't remember how much exactly but it's in the order of <100MB and it downloads more stuff when you build | 01:25 |
| Textmode | :/ | 01:27 |
| Textmode | the build is long, too, isn't it? | 01:31 |
| arctanx | yep, it took at least a couple of hours and then I left it overnight | 01:45 |
| arctanx | I'm sure a binary shapshot of the toolchain could be extricated.. my own would be amd64 | 01:45 |
| Textmode | i'd have to boot the other comp to make use of that, not so great :P | 01:46 |
| arctanx | Now openwrt is teaching me how to make cocktails... I love this device | 01:53 |
| Textmode | yeah, that message confused the hell out of me the first time I saw it. | 01:55 |
| Textmode | since apprently I can't get through this w/o rebuilding the kernel anyway, where the are options for console font hiding? | 02:14 |
| Textmode | bah, its getting too late for me | 02:16 |
| arctanx | Pro-tip: if you build openwrt-xburst, don't move the dir unless you want to build the whole thing again | 02:56 |
| arctanx | apparently some absolute paths have snuck into the build process and mess it up | 02:56 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: you there? | 03:58 |
| rafa | larsc: ? | 04:01 |
| rafa | zear: it seems that the problem with this mplayer is that it already has a libavsync library built. And we can not build it because no sources.. That I did was tell mplayer do not avsync (with -autosync 2000 for example).. and it seems that mplayer works nice now. BUt it is just a workaround. | 04:17 |
| zear | ah, great we at least found the culprit | 04:18 |
| zear | and that there is a workaroudn | 04:18 |
| zear | *workaround | 04:18 |
| rafa | yep | 04:18 |
| rafa | there is something weird with kernel btw.. sometimes I build it after a clean and sound worked, sometimes after a clean and build sounds does not work. I hate the word "SOMETIMES" :P | 04:20 |
| rafa | and I do not know why it happens. | 04:20 |
| rafa | the official kernel in openwrt brings alsa driver as module.. I have always tried to put it inside the kernel binary. I am guessing that perhaps they have the alsa as modules for some reason :) | 04:21 |
| zear | but it is after you build it or after you start the system? | 04:21 |
| rafa | well, I build on pc, cp the kernel to SD and then start the system | 04:21 |
| rafa | sometimes after a clean building it works, sometimes no | 04:21 |
| zear | ah, i see | 04:22 |
| {marcz} | rafa: as I have some problem with sounds, I'm interested in what you observe | 04:23 |
| rafa | {marcz}: yeah.. we are not going to change sound hardware so I do not know why the official kernel brings the alsa drivers as modules and no inside the kernel. | 04:24 |
| {marcz} | Myself I have sound as output, but the recoding is also sound but completly distorted | 04:24 |
| {marcz} | Of course, but I don't know if it comes from my soft or hard, I have until now compiled also the sound modules in modules. | 04:25 |
| rafa | okey, good to know. | 04:26 |
| rafa | I would like to have it always inside, because the hardware sound will be always there.. but well. We will see if that is not a problem now. | 04:27 |
| {marcz} | I have just noticed that the order of loading modules is very important, if I let go by default, I come up with some modules loaded and I cannot load the remaining. | 04:29 |
| rafa | do you have that order? | 04:29 |
| {marcz} | In this case snd-page-alloc crash and I cannot get the device. | 04:29 |
| rafa | perhaps there is the problem.. something bad in init.. | 04:30 |
| rafa | could you tell me the order of the modules? | 04:30 |
| {marcz} | My nano is not with me presently, but you can either take in order the order in the openwrt image under /etc/module.d or a post of bebajoth two days ago in the mailing list. I personnaly use less modules but the canvas is that. | 04:32 |
| {marcz} | But my own problem is OK for output and not input, ruben said me that he has both very good, so I don't know if my peculiar mic is defective or if it is my kernel (but why?) | 04:34 |
| {marcz} | :time | 04:49 |
| calamarz | hi | 06:04 |
| calamarz | for reflashing just the kernel I don't need to erase the whole nand, right? | 06:05 |
| xiangfu | calamarz: yes. | 06:20 |
| xiangfu | calamarz: for reflashing bootloader and kernel are don't need to erase nand. | 06:21 |
| calamarz | tx | 06:22 |
| calamarz | xiangfu: you said you had compiled a debian kernel with snd modules statically linked? | 06:24 |
| xiangfu | calamarz: yes. it can play music but very very slow. | 06:25 |
| xiangfu | calamarz: I only use 'mplayer' to test play sound | 06:26 |
| xiangfu | calamarz: here is the file: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/tmp/debian-xburst-qi_lb60-uImage.bin | 06:28 |
| calamarz | thanx! | 06:29 |
| rafa | ah! zear is not here! | 06:41 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: I fixed mplayer ;), but without workaround | 06:42 |
| tuxbrain | awesome!, sorry :( I have no time to play with NN , I hope next week will be more hacker friendly | 06:43 |
| tuxbrain | what was the point? | 06:43 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: zear gave me an ingenic modified mplayer | 06:46 |
| rafa | the one you have | 06:46 |
| rafa | I built and it does now work well | 06:46 |
| rafa | today I was checking and those sources had some already built stuff. | 06:47 |
| arctanx | Is there anywhere where folks are sharing openwrt package makefiles? | 06:48 |
| rafa | SO I clean all that. Then I had some issues to build, so I build the libs which make asked | 06:48 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: so now mplayer work with sound and video. | 06:48 |
| tuxbrain | yay! | 06:48 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: Now I need to test several files and the performance :) | 06:48 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: I will test your files ;) | 06:48 |
| Action: arctanx has been working on one, but the emacs build system is more than slightly painful for a cross compiler | 06:49 | |
| tuxbrain | ok | 06:49 |
| tuxbrain | make a video of the test :) | 06:49 |
| rafa | yeah.. | 06:54 |
| Action: jones slowly masturbates | 06:57 | |
| xiangfu | arctanx: Hi there are some makefiles: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/ | 07:06 |
| arctanx | xiangfu: Great, thanks. | 07:07 |
| larsc | rafa: ! | 07:43 |
| calamarz | wow... nn speaker nearly breaks my ears! | 07:49 |
| wolfspraul | yeah we need to get the default settings for microphone and speaker tuned a bit :-) | 07:53 |
| calamarz | I'm getting an annoying coupling | 07:54 |
| calamarz | it seems i'm getting to record something... noisy but something :p | 07:55 |
| kyak | so i'm at work right now.. and i got the call from EMS courier telling that NN has been delivered to my home | 08:22 |
| kyak | do you understnad how i feel? :) | 08:22 |
| kyak | two hours left | 08:22 |
| kyak | only two hours untill i go hom :) | 08:22 |
| kyak | ..and three days of long weekend ahead | 08:23 |
| zear | :D | 08:24 |
| tuxbrain | happy flashing kyak :P | 08:31 |
| calamarz | btw, tuxbrain: you're lightning quick ! | 08:40 |
| kyak | yeah, flashing might become a pain ): | 08:41 |
| calamarz | kyak: it's painless :) | 08:44 |
| kyak | calamarz: everybody just has a different pain threshold :) | 08:50 |
| rafa | tuxbrain: do you have some script to creat ipk/opk packages? mine does not work well.. | 08:55 |
| qi-commits | Mirko Vogt: Merge branch 'master' of openwrt-backfire into xburst http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4ecc663 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge r21700 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/87686a9 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge network config fixes: r21641, r21652, r21655, r21659 and r21661 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5fa298d | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | nbd: backport the latest version of the mac80211 package to backfire. includes fixes for wpa key handling, throughput issues, etc. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/262b52b | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | nbd: orion: add wrt350nv2 mac address fix from r21647 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c832966 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge r21638 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8eca131 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge r21616 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b8fe848 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] revert r21596 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/102b4bb | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge r21595 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c4c9038 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge r21590 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f641cda | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [backfire] merge r21588 and r21591 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e7cb5d5 | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | jow: [back | 09:08 |
| qi-commits | Carlos Camargo: Updating examples to Board changes, adding irq driver demo http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/5041c0e | 09:09 |
| kyak | at last i'm holding this thing in my hands :) | 10:59 |
| kyak | it is smaller than i thought! | 10:59 |
| kyak | so awesome.. | 10:59 |
| zear | :D | 11:04 |
| zear | kyak, but you know what's the coolest about it? You can type commands on it on the go | 11:04 |
| zear | hold it in your hands and type with thumbs | 11:05 |
| kyak | root@BenNanoNote:~# uname -a | 11:09 |
| kyak | Linux BenNanoNote 2.6.32.3-g023227d-dirty #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan 13 20:53:27 CET 2010 mips GNU/Linux | 11:09 |
| kyak | yay! | 11:09 |
| kyak | zear: yeah, it's like mobile phone :) | 11:09 |
| kyak | okay | 11:09 |
| kyak | now for the software update thing | 11:10 |
| kyak | i have to get used for keyboard layout | 11:10 |
| kyak | we should perhaps hold a contest for the fastest typing on NN sometime :) | 11:10 |
| kyak | and the coolest thing is.. i have this damn small wifi card | 11:12 |
| kyak | but first things first | 11:12 |
| kyak | zhangyi: fyi, the parcel has been received. So it took 12 days to ship to Russia :) | 11:13 |
| kyak | zhangyi: thanks a lot for your effort! | 11:13 |
| zhangyi | kyak: great! i'm glad to hear it! :) | 11:14 |
| zhangyi | kyak: any time. | 11:14 |
| zhangyi | kyak: will update our shipping notes :) | 11:14 |
| kyak | you can also mention that EMS likes to come to your home without any prior notice and then call you in the middle of the day asking "where are you"?: ) | 11:15 |
| kyak | luckily, i had someone who could accept the parcel at home | 11:16 |
| Action: sdschulze cross-compiles openwrt-xburst. | 11:25 | |
| sdschulze | Is there a lot you can do wrong? | 11:25 |
| nebajoth | holy crow | 11:26 |
| nebajoth | I cannot figure out how to adjust the volume of this thing | 11:26 |
| sdschulze | alsamixer? | 11:27 |
| sdschulze | works on openwrt, at least | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | it doesn't do anything | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | it loads | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | it identifies the proper card | 11:27 |
| sdschulze | hm | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | you can nudge the volume up and down | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | but the actual playing volume remains the same | 11:27 |
| sdschulze | How did you get sound support in the first place, BTW? | 11:27 |
| sdschulze | (I assume you're on Debian) | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | I am on Debian | 11:27 |
| tuxbrain | press M | 11:27 |
| nebajoth | and I loaded the module list | 11:28 |
| nebajoth | from openwrt | 11:28 |
| nebajoth | and it works | 11:28 |
| sdschulze | :( | 11:28 |
| sdschulze | That's what I did, too. | 11:28 |
| nebajoth | muting works, tuxbrain | 11:28 |
| nebajoth | just not volumen adjustments | 11:28 |
| sdschulze | Maybe my tarball was too new, though. | 11:28 |
| nebajoth | actually | 11:29 |
| nebajoth | it seems as though I can raise the volume a little | 11:29 |
| nebajoth | but not diminish it | 11:29 |
| nebajoth | at all | 11:29 |
| nebajoth | from the very loud default | 11:29 |
| sdschulze | nebajoth: Where did you get the modules from? | 11:29 |
| nebajoth | the openwrt image | 11:29 |
| sdschulze | I copied mine from openwrt-xburst-rootfs.tgz. | 11:29 |
| nebajoth | same thing | 11:30 |
| nebajoth | interestingly | 11:30 |
| nebajoth | even on mute I can hear it very softly | 11:30 |
| sdschulze | snd_soc_core: Unknown symbol i2c_transfer | 11:32 |
| sdschulze | That's what i get. | 11:32 |
| kyak | software usb boot + ./reflash_ben.sh did the job (at the first attempt) | 11:45 |
| kyak | i guess i'll keep this magical USB cable :) | 11:45 |
| kyak | it's from Nokia N76, as that matters | 11:45 |
| kyak | guys | 11:49 |
| kyak | there is horizontal lines on the LCD (a noise) when Ben is connected to USB | 11:50 |
| kyak | is it ok? | 11:50 |
| kyak | i also notice such flickering when it is close to my laptop | 11:50 |
| kyak | hm | 11:58 |
| kyak | it really is flickering badly | 11:58 |
| zear | kyak, the flickering is my fault i think | 12:11 |
| zear | gmenu2x was compile with jz4740 overclock code | 12:11 |
| zear | and it overclock the lcd timings as well | 12:11 |
| zear | and that results with flickering | 12:11 |
| zear | *compiled | 12:11 |
| zear | oh, i think that's an unrelated flickering, sorry for not reading the rest of the messages | 12:12 |
| kyak | no, it might be related.. let me disable the gmenu2x autostart and we'll see.. | 12:12 |
| kyak | it's rock stable now | 12:20 |
| kyak | even if i put Ben on laptop's wifi card | 12:20 |
| kyak | hm.. i inserted usb cable and the screen went black | 12:21 |
| kyak | ok.. i need to get used to inserting usb cable without pressing the power button by accident :) | 12:22 |
| kyak | i think most of you guys are not using gmenu2x, right? | 12:25 |
| zear | well, i am ;P | 12:25 |
| kyak | and it's not flickering for you? ): | 12:25 |
| zear | it is ;P | 12:26 |
| zear | though i don't care because i rarely use my nanonote (mostly just use it as a music player) | 12:26 |
| kyak | ok, i haven't found a use for mine yet :) | 12:27 |
| kyak | though i found gmenu2x keybindings weird | 12:27 |
| kyak | "enter" is launching settings, not the selected icon | 12:27 |
| zear | well, it's the best i could do | 12:27 |
| zear | with the gaming console layout gmenu2x was designed for | 12:27 |
| kyak | so how do i select? | 12:28 |
| zear | and you can always modify the controls in /usr/share/gmenu2x/input.conf | 12:29 |
| zear | "x" if i remember correctly | 12:29 |
| kyak | SELECT: Bring up the contextual menu. | 12:29 |
| kyak | whereis "select"? :) | 12:29 |
| zear | select is esc | 12:29 |
| zear | start is enter | 12:30 |
| kyak | zear: this is weird.. any way to remember this? | 12:30 |
| zear | L is q, R is P | 12:30 |
| kyak | i mean, is there some logic behind? | 12:30 |
| zear | the rest of the buttons (a/b/x/y) are s/d/z/x | 12:30 |
| zear | yes | 12:30 |
| kyak | i need to imaging game console? | 12:30 |
| zear | exactly ;) | 12:30 |
| kyak | like dendy controller? :) | 12:31 |
| zear | more like a dingoo | 12:31 |
| zear | though, the "front buttons" are on the left and the d-pad is on the right here on the nn | 12:31 |
| zear | but as i mentioned before, edit /usr/share/gmenu2x/input.conf to customize your controls | 12:32 |
| zear | if you come up with better keymappings ;) | 12:32 |
| kyak | i'll stick to default | 12:32 |
| kyak | they start to make sense now :) | 12:32 |
| kyak | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Gmenu2x | 12:32 |
| zear | yep | 12:33 |
| kyak | i read this in the first place, but couldn't understand what this "On the Ben" means in the beginning | 12:33 |
| kyak | now i understand, thanks :) | 12:33 |
| zear | but that's why gmenu2x needs a major input handling redesign | 12:33 |
| zear | to support full qwerty | 12:33 |
| kyak | why does it need this when it supports input.conf? | 12:34 |
| kyak | or is it limited? | 12:34 |
| zear | because it still shows gp2x controls on the bottom bar | 12:34 |
| zear | so "B" isn't really B on nn's keyboard | 12:34 |
| kyak | right.. | 12:35 |
| kyak | ehm.. | 12:35 |
| kyak | i'm failing to exit GMU :) | 12:36 |
| zear | alt+enter | 12:36 |
| kyak | why?: ) | 12:36 |
| zear | hold alt for extra explanation | 12:36 |
| wejp | kyak,if you don't like that, you can redefine all buttons as you wish | 12:36 |
| zear | i guess it's another leftover from gaming consoles | 12:36 |
| zear | but wejp will explain it better ;) | 12:37 |
| kyak | wejp: i'm ok with that, just need to get used.. i don't like changing default options | 12:37 |
| wejp | zear, right, it is kind of, gaming consoles have only very few buttons | 12:37 |
| wejp | kyak, okay :) | 12:37 |
| kyak | so, stardic is english-english only :) | 12:38 |
| wejp | zear, also that way more of the functions can be explained on screen (default mapping and secondary mapping can both be explained) | 12:38 |
| kyak | this is smart, taking into account that i can't switch keyboard layout anyway | 12:38 |
| wejp | hehe | 12:38 |
| zear | wejp, well, i bet you'll get some complaints from the pandora users :P | 12:39 |
| wejp | btw, the next gmu version comes with a new intro/help screen which explains most of the button mappings | 12:39 |
| kyak | ok, now i'm failing to leave stardic.. esc and alt+enter ot wokirng :) | 12:39 |
| wejp | that will be shown on the very first start | 12:39 |
| zear | wejp, oh, that's cool | 12:39 |
| wejp | yep :) | 12:39 |
| zear | so how is the pandora, btw? | 12:39 |
| kyak | ok, it's ctrl+Q | 12:40 |
| wejp | it is nice, i like the really long battery runtime | 12:40 |
| wejp | and the screen resolution is amazing,really good screen | 12:40 |
| zear | what about the quality of the device in general? | 12:40 |
| zear | looks a bit shitty from the vids | 12:40 |
| wejp | the real device looks better than what i was expecting from some videos | 12:41 |
| zear | ah, that's great | 12:41 |
| zear | i wish it was half the price so i could buy it | 12:41 |
| wejp | yeah, it is a bit expensive | 12:41 |
| zear | and wouldn't be scared to carry it around with me | 12:41 |
| wejp | well at least i had to pay only 250 euros, instead of 300 as it costs now | 12:42 |
| wejp | oh and on ebay people sell pandoras for way over $1000 :O | 12:42 |
| zear | well, there's some euro crisis on the horizon | 12:42 |
| zear | maybe the price will go down ;P | 12:42 |
| wejp | true | 12:42 |
| wejp | wouldn't count on a lower price | 12:42 |
| wejp | euro crisis could even result in the opposite | 12:42 |
| zear | the ebay buys are mad | 12:43 |
| zear | *guys | 12:43 |
| wejp | yeah | 12:43 |
| wejp | incredible | 12:43 |
| zear | btw, record some vid comparison of nn and pandora | 12:44 |
| zear | maybe more pandora guys will end up buying nanos ;) | 12:44 |
| wejp | hm, i could do that :) | 12:44 |
| wejp | it is a little bit difficult to compare them thoguh | 12:44 |
| zear | well, nn runs all the dingux games | 12:45 |
| zear | so there is a place for comparizon | 12:45 |
| wejp | hm, that's true | 12:45 |
| zear | there are also my stright ports | 12:45 |
| zear | straight, even | 12:45 |
| wejp | yeah, if i find a little sparetime, i'll probably try to make a nice comparison video :) | 12:46 |
| zear | :D | 12:46 |
| zear | especially games that are easy to control on the nn, like powder, scummvm, frotz or dosbox | 12:46 |
| zear | kyak, is it just me, or the flickering is less noticable if you set the gmenu2x clock (enter go to go the menu) to 336Mhz and restart the nn? | 12:51 |
| kyak | zear: will sure try that and let you know.. currently i'm into wifi thing :) | 12:57 |
| zear | hey guys, check this out: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/06/11/reader.png | 14:09 |
| zear | i asked the author for the sources, i hope he will agree to release this app on GPL | 14:10 |
| calamarz | zear: looks cool indeed :) | 14:26 |
| Action: sdschulze notices that native compilation is *really* slow. | 16:02 | |
| emeb | sdschulze: what distro you running native compile on? | 16:05 |
| sdschulze | Debian | 16:09 |
| sdschulze | trying to make-kpkg | 16:09 |
| sdschulze | eeek... virtual memory exhausted | 16:10 |
| emeb | sdschulze: ah - I'd heard Debian had a native compile. Wish there was a gcc ipk for OpenWRT. | 16:11 |
| emeb | not surprising that there aren't enough resources for a big compile on the NN. | 16:12 |
| emeb | I'd still like to do it for small stuff though (drivers, quick utils, etc) | 16:12 |
| sdschulze | Maybe I can misuse my microSD card for occasional swapping. | 16:13 |
| sdschulze | Native compiling is cooler than cross-compiling. :) | 16:13 |
| sdschulze | What's the preferred way of making "partitions" on SD cards? losetup? | 16:15 |
| emeb | fdisk? | 16:16 |
| sdschulze | SD cards have physical partitions? Nice. | 16:20 |
| sdschulze | Do I need any special tricks to boot from SD card, BTW? | 16:21 |
| sdschulze | so the bootloader finds the kernel and the kernel finds the root fs | 16:21 |
| sdschulze | At least it seems to like that swap. | 16:32 |
| sdschulze | Are there any general objections to making a partition table on the NAND flash, BTW? Does it interfere with the block structure or anything? | 16:56 |
| {marcz} | MTD is not a block device! | 17:01 |
| kyak | wejp: could you please help? should i install libmpg123 for mp3 support in gmu? | 17:24 |
| sdschulze | {marcz}: So that's the reason why they're not partitioned? | 17:28 |
| calamarz | mp3 is evil ]:) | 17:28 |
| sdschulze | kyak: I haven't tried it, but I assume you have to recompile it. | 17:28 |
| sdschulze | Better: convert all files to Ogg Vorbis | 17:29 |
| {marcz} | You install your file system jffs2 or ubifs over an UBI layer that emilate a block device. | 17:31 |
| sdschulze | obviously, yes | 17:31 |
| sdschulze | But having the partition tables hardcoded in the Linux source code is not that nice. | 17:33 |
| emeb | sdschulze: re - partitioning SD cards: I do it all the time on my beagle. Here's a script that we use to set it up: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/mkcard.txt | 17:34 |
| {marcz} | Of course their is no problem to partition a SD card | 17:34 |
| {marcz} | But a flash MTD is not the same, it has not the buil-in device driver | 17:35 |
| sdschulze | So if you press M, uboot automatically looks at the partition table of the SD card and uses the first one for the kernel and the second one for rootfs? | 17:36 |
| {marcz} | To partition a SD card you can go with fdisk exactly in the same way you do on a disk | 17:36 |
| {marcz} | If you are on bnn you have to use a compiled command line in the uboot image | 17:37 |
| sdschulze | Is using raw access to MTD faster than putting a driver between the flash and the CPU? | 17:38 |
| {marcz} | On the distribution of openwrt Xiangfu has set up a command line to boot from uimage on the fat partition N° 1 | 17:38 |
| sdschulze | I do miss GRUB so much. :( | 17:39 |
| {marcz} | The main problem is wear levelling, in SD card it's done by the driver, so you can put over whatever fs you want. | 17:40 |
| urandom_ | kyak copying libmpg123 and mpg123 from dingux version works nice | 17:40 |
| sdschulze | {marcz}: Where does the SD card driver store the information on where the virtual blocks are mapped in the flash mem? | 17:41 |
| {marcz} | On MTD the block layer take care of it so you are using layer that can provide this wear leveling: ubi then ubifs, or jffs2 | 17:41 |
| {marcz} | But I'm not at all a specialist of these lower level, refer to http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/ | 17:42 |
| calamarz | is there some way to access battery info on nn-debian? | 18:05 |
| larsc | cat /sys/class/power/battery/capacity | 18:09 |
| kyak | urandom_, thnkas, i should try | 18:14 |
| kyak | calamarz: you might want to have a look at /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent | 18:14 |
| calamarz | tx! | 18:16 |
| Action: FrankBlues waves | 18:52 | |
| FrankBlues | rafa: you around? | 19:03 |
| xdpirate | Textmode, updates on the issue of "What does the Qi-button do?": It returns a key code of 0 when pressed D: | 20:59 |
| zear | xdpirate, every time you press it, a kitten dies | 20:59 |
| xdpirate | D: | 21:00 |
| Textmode | a...null key? | 21:02 |
| xdpirate | yup, it returns a whopping key code of zero. | 21:05 |
| zear | xdpirate, i might have mixed nn's and dingux libs at one point so !reader works for me | 21:05 |
| zear | i don't remember if i flashed the rootfs since i mixed it | 21:06 |
| zear | xdpirate, oh wait, the sdl error is in spanish | 21:08 |
| xdpirate | wat | 21:08 |
| Textmode | :D | 21:08 |
| xdpirate | i can just copy dingoo sdl libs over then | 21:08 |
| Textmode | ossum! | 21:08 |
| zear | it must be that !reader has statically linked sdl | 21:08 |
| zear | xdpirate, of course you can ;) | 21:09 |
| zear | binary compatibility ;) | 21:09 |
| xdpirate | yeah i know i can, i meant, i'm going to | 21:09 |
| xdpirate | :P | 21:09 |
| zear | though it's not a good idea in the longer run | 21:09 |
| xdpirate | i already copied over libsdl_mixer and libmad | 21:09 |
| xdpirate | for battlepong! | 21:09 |
| zear | just because it's a different device's libs | 21:09 |
| zear | it's a shame !Reader is not opensource though | 21:10 |
| zear | so we can't use it in the default nn's distro | 21:10 |
| xdpirate | true | 21:11 |
| zear | (but we of course can, and will use it in jlime, because we don't care of stuff like that, right rafa? :D) | 21:11 |
| urandom_ | has the author of !Reader a reason to keep it closed source? | 21:15 |
| zear | no idea | 21:22 |
| zear | haven't contacted him yet | 21:22 |
| zear | only the dingux porter | 21:22 |
| zear | though, i think it would be better one of the nn devs contacted the author | 21:23 |
| zear | i don't want to be responsible for a failure in negotiations ;D | 21:23 |
| urandom_ | nah i think he just did not release the source cause he thought nobody would need it or so, i cant think on any valid reasons for | 21:25 |
| urandom_ | him to keep it closed | 21:25 |
| zear | how about stolen code? :D | 21:26 |
| larsc | or ugly code | 21:26 |
| zear | or not feeling like releasing it just because NO. | 21:26 |
| zear | anyway, it would be a precious item in our collection | 21:27 |
| larsc | Number 1 reason why companies keep code closed is because it would be embarrassing to show it to anybody ;) | 21:27 |
| zear | ;D | 21:27 |
| urandom_ | well they can always say they are obfuscating the code on purpose ;) | 21:29 |
| Textmode | I can't remember, can you next ifs in sh? | 21:31 |
| urandom_ | i really loved this app on my psp http://sourceforge.net/projects/bookr/ , i wonder how much work porting it would be | 21:34 |
| zear | urandom_, it uses a lot of psp libs | 21:36 |
| zear | instead of sdl | 21:36 |
| urandom_ | kind of sad, it is awesome | 21:38 |
| Textmode | I guess you can't nest ifs in sh... | 21:53 |
| mth | why not? | 22:13 |
| Textmode | it complains? | 22:15 |
| Textmode | regardless, its looking more like it requires a branch to contain a statement. | 22:16 |
| Textmode | but I have none to give in this instance :/ | 22:16 |
| xdpirate | woop, my pokedex is ready for release | 22:22 |
| kristianpaul | http://vimeo.com/4980902 | 22:35 |
| kristianpaul | http://vimeo.com/6642323 | 22:35 |
| kristianpaul | http://vimeo.com/8709616 | 22:35 |
| xdpirate | NanoNote arrives, dex gets released - http://www.qqmore.info/?p=48 | 22:41 |
| emeb | sweet - figured out how to add mp3 play to gmu | 22:42 |
| emeb | xdpirate: not much into pokemon, but keyCodes looks handy. Nice intro to SDL programming too... | 22:51 |
| xdpirate | Glad I could be of help :) | 22:51 |
| emeb | just compiled & ran on my desktop. | 22:51 |
| xdpirate | yeah it only contains c and sdl code, so should be compilable on everything that has sdl :P | 22:52 |
| emeb | works fine on my Fedora11 system - pops up a little window on my X desktop. | 22:52 |
| emeb | needed to yum install the SDL stuff, but that was painless. | 22:52 |
| xdpirate | (: | 22:53 |
| Action: emeb reads SDL dox | 22:54 | |
| emeb | audio on NN is remarkably good - playing MP3 w/ gmu through my Sennheisers | 22:58 |
| Textmode | seems a bit quiet, though. | 23:00 |
| Textmode | imho. | 23:00 |
| Textmode | or maybe GMU just refuses to give a decent volume range. | 23:00 |
| urandom_ | quiet? it can be extremely loud | 23:00 |
| emeb | Not quiet here - I'm on 9/15 on the GMU vol scale and that's about as loud as I'd like it. | 23:01 |
| urandom_ | i listen with 1/15 to 2/15 ;) | 23:03 |
| emeb | Textmode: have you checked that your alsamixer is full on? | 23:03 |
| emeb | urandom_: you must have some pretty efficient headphones. | 23:03 |
| emeb | or else there's something else modulating the volume I'm not aware of... | 23:03 |
| Textmode | looks like alsa is at full. | 23:04 |
| Textmode | and I consider these good headphones... | 23:04 |
| emeb | using gmu? | 23:05 |
| Textmode | gmu also at max. | 23:05 |
| emeb | I've started gmu from a command line ssh session from my desktop. When I tweak the vol it spits some text out | 23:06 |
| Textmode | but volume, well not weak, but not anything remotely near what I would consider "max" | 23:06 |
| emeb | Usually something like :audio: volume=16 (128/16) | 23:06 |
| emeb | (1st number changes in steps of 8 as vol is adjusted) | 23:06 |
| Textmode | anyway, I'm busy fightig with autotools. | 23:07 |
| Textmode | (its a PoS, btw.) | 23:07 |
| emeb | big fun - never have figured that out. | 23:07 |
| emeb | BTW - how to exit gmu gracefully? I always end up doing a kill -9... | 23:09 |
| urandom_ | alt+enter | 23:09 |
| emeb | bingo! thanks | 23:09 |
| urandom_ | took me some time to figure out | 23:10 |
| emeb | there's a lot of hidden keystrokes on NN | 23:10 |
| urandom_ | its cause gmu was designed for the dingoo | 23:11 |
| emeb | Should be a rule on gfx apps: hit "?" and a key list comes up. | 23:11 |
| emeb | urandom_: figured that. Hasn't been remapped for NN | 23:11 |
| urandom_ | it has been remapped for NN a bit | 23:12 |
| urandom_ | the dev is currently porting it to pandora so maybe there will be some changes that make navigation on NN better too | 23:14 |
| urandom_ | also he is planing some kind of help menu to show off first time you start it | 23:15 |
| emeb | That's a good idea | 23:16 |
| emeb | There are only a few keys mentioned across the bottom. | 23:16 |
| urandom_ | well at least the real keys are mentioned not like in gmenu2x the dingoo ones :) | 23:18 |
| emeb | urk - yep. That one needs some work. | 23:18 |
| Textmode | yeah, that took some stuffing about to figure out. | 23:19 |
| Textmode | what was it? ZSXD, Q and R, enter and space? | 23:19 |
| urandom_ | esc not space | 23:20 |
| urandom_ | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Gmenu2x | 23:20 |
| emeb | OK - here's another annoyance: gmu disables the display after a bit. If you've switched to an alternate console it still disables it. How to get it on again? | 23:20 |
| urandom_ | emeb you can disable switching off the display in the config | 23:21 |
| emeb | urandom_: cool - will have to do that. Meantime, how to get the display back on w/o a reboot? | 23:22 |
| Textmode | usually hitting any key brings it back | 23:22 |
| Textmode | I use the qi key | 23:22 |
| emeb | Not if you're in another console tho... | 23:22 |
| Textmode | no... | 23:22 |
| urandom_ | change to its console | 23:22 |
| emeb | need to ctl+alt+f5 to get back to gmu screen | 23:23 |
| emeb | then hit spc or something | 23:23 |
| emeb | Does SDL always live on the f5 console? | 23:23 |
| urandom_ | yeah you have to ctl+alt+f5, it cant get input from different console | 23:23 |
| urandom_ | yeah it seems to be the place for the sdl stuff | 23:25 |
| emeb | xdpirate: came up with a couple of makefiles for keycode - want 'em? | 23:43 |
| xdpirate | huh? for what? =P | 23:43 |
| xdpirate | i don't really need a makefile when all i did to compile was gcc main.c -lSDL -lSDL_ttf -o keyCode | 23:44 |
| emeb | g'nuff. | 23:44 |
| xdpirate | ;3 | 23:44 |
| xdpirate | my nn refuses to load sdl altogether after i copied the dingoo sdl libs like zear said lols | 23:45 |
| emeb | urp | 23:45 |
| xdpirate | meh | 23:45 |
| emeb | what did zear say to do? | 23:45 |
| emeb | (btw is NN gmu statically linked to SDL?) | 23:46 |
| xdpirate | they're built with joystick support | 23:46 |
| xdpirate | i have no idea emeb, ask wejp if he's here | 23:46 |
| xdpirate | (wejp made gmu) | 23:46 |
| emeb | just wondering why there was no SDL lib on NN already. | 23:46 |
| xdpirate | there is | 23:46 |
| emeb | hrm - I didn't see it... | 23:46 |
| urandom_ | there is, just no sdl-mixer | 23:47 |
| xdpirate | all sdl libs should be in /usr/lib, except sdl_mixer | 23:47 |
| emeb | urandom_: ur right. I'm getting confused | 23:47 |
| emeb | SDL lib wasn't in the openwrt host build dirs | 23:47 |
| emeb | for some reason the openwrt build process doesn't give you the same image/s that are under 'latest' | 23:48 |
| emeb | seems like there's a bit of extra tweakage going on behind the curtain... | 23:49 |
| urandom_ | wouldnt things going on behind the curtain be against the qi ideologie? | 23:50 |
| urandom_ | :P | 23:52 |
| Textmode | probably an oversight. | 23:54 |
| Textmode | easy enough to do. | 23:54 |
| urandom_ | yeah | 23:55 |
| xdpirate | As I mentioned, my SDL libs got fucked up | 23:55 |
| xdpirate | Could anyone cp /usr/lib/libSDL* /card/ and upload them in a zip or something? | 23:56 |
| xdpirate | Would behugely appreciated | 23:56 |
| xdpirate | be hugely* | 23:56 |
| urandom_ | cant you copy it from latest image? | 23:57 |
| xdpirate | How is it compressed? | 23:57 |
| Textmode | isnt' it just a tgz? | 23:59 |
| urandom_ | it is | 23:59 |
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