| qi-commits | Xiangfu Liu: [usbboot] change the prefix to /usr by default http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/905a086 | 05:10 |
|---|---|---|
| qi-commits | Xiangfu Liu: [usbboot] change the sysconfdir to /etc by default http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/3b5b0b3 | 05:12 |
| vegyraupe | uwe_: saw this: http://sharism.cc/2010/05/02/along-comes-debian/ ? | 06:09 |
| uwe_ | vegyraupe: great, thanks! I'll have a more detailed look later. I only see images right now, is the (modified) source or patches available somewhere? (kernel + uboot if necessary)? | 09:54 |
| vegyraupe | uwe_: the kernel is the same as used for openwrt | 09:58 |
| vegyraupe | with 3 modifications | 09:59 |
| vegyraupe | which I described in a mail to the devel list | 09:59 |
| vegyraupe | uwe_: see under kernel: http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-April/002766.html | 10:00 |
| uwe_ | what's avt2 vs. lb60 btw? | 10:01 |
| vegyraupe | avt2 is our development board (64MB RAM, extra usb host connector etc) | 10:01 |
| vegyraupe | lb60 is the board in the black ben nanonotes | 10:02 |
| uwe_ | ok | 10:02 |
| vegyraupe | uwe_: the next openwrt image release will see these kernel flavours and i hope with the configs attached :) | 10:04 |
| uwe_ | ok, great. the .config variable names would also be sufficient for me, for now | 10:05 |
| uwe_ | I'll give it a try in the evening with a debian unstable rootfs on SD card, if I find the time | 10:06 |
| vegyraupe | sounds good :) | 10:06 |
| vegyraupe | a blogpost would sound even better ;) | 10:06 |
| uwe_ | will do, definately | 10:06 |
| vegyraupe | yay! | 10:06 |
| vegyraupe | thx | 10:06 |
| vegyraupe | tuxbrain_away: ping | 10:30 |
| tuxbrain_away | pong | 10:30 |
| jd823592 | Hello, are there already any ideas or plans for Ben NanoNote successor? | 11:20 |
| jd823592 | Any ethernet, wifi/ larger display | 11:21 |
| vegyraupe | jd823592: check http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ya_NanoNote_Specs for ideas | 11:21 |
| vegyraupe | nothing has been decided yet | 11:21 |
| vegyraupe | we are in the idea collecting phase :) | 11:22 |
| jd823592 | thanks, i will take a look | 11:22 |
| jd823592 | Are common people allowed to contribute to the idea list? | 11:22 |
| vegyraupe | absolutely | 11:23 |
| jd823592 | Is the original processor for Ben MIPS? | 11:23 |
| jd823592 | i think i've seen a note about it | 11:23 |
| jd823592 | i was curious why MIPS, why not ARM... or anything else.. not that i would disagree with the decision, i am just curious :) | 11:24 |
| urandom_ | is there any date set for when this ja nanonote should be produced? | 11:25 |
| larsc | probably fair dice roll | 11:25 |
| vegyraupe | larsc: :D | 11:25 |
| vegyraupe | urandom_: nope | 11:25 |
| vegyraupe | still a lot of possibilities around the Ben | 11:26 |
| urandom_ | but no usb host on the ben :( | 11:27 |
| vegyraupe | sad but true | 11:27 |
| urandom_ | i thinking on buying a ben but 100¬ are some money and it has no usb host and the pandora might come out this year | 11:29 |
| urandom_ | there are some router with usb connection for printer/extern media, wouldnt it be possible to use this Ethernet over USB support of the ben for connecting it with the router? | 11:34 |
| vegyraupe | urandom_: usb over ethernet is def doable with a PC, not sure about the router thing though. Lars? | 11:37 |
| urandom_ | i think there are some router there you can install linux on them, isnt openwrt for it? it should be doable | 11:42 |
| qi-commits | Carlos Camargo: Adding write funtions to blink driver sample http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/de9acb4 | 12:16 |
| jd823592 | is the Ya design final or ilustrative? | 12:46 |
| zear | a j2me interpreter for dingux: http://code.google.com/p/midpath4dingoo/source/browse/#svn/trunk/midpath | 13:38 |
| zear | someone interested to adapt it to owrt? | 13:38 |
| tuxbrain | zear:I'm interested in have it :) not material time to (try)port it until the end of the month | 14:06 |
| zear | tuxbrain, and i don't know java, so i can't port it myself | 14:06 |
| tuxbrain | ? but to port it java knowledge is needed? the jvm(java interpreter) is in C or C++ I guess | 14:08 |
| tuxbrain | vegyraupe: ping | 14:09 |
| zear | well, the makefile requires you to have a java interpreter installed | 14:09 |
| tuxbrain | ok | 14:10 |
| zear | i think so | 14:10 |
| tuxbrain | I understand, is a java library you have to had an jvm installed | 14:11 |
| mth | it probably need a Java compiler to compile the Java part of the class library | 14:12 |
| zear | mth, yeah, that's probably something like that | 14:12 |
| mth | assuming you are cross compiling, that should not be a problem though | 14:13 |
| kristianpaul | pyneo ! | 16:02 |
| Action: kristianpaul getting files | 16:03 | |
| kristianpaul | i have a trouble | 17:49 |
| kristianpaul | nano with no battery connected to usb dont power on | 17:50 |
| kristianpaul | last thing i did was http://pyneo.org/howto/debian/nano.html | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | Prepare the Nano-Note | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | help ! :/ | 17:51 |
| mth | is the current it can draw over unconfigured USB sufficient to run on? | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | i did run before | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | s/i/it | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 17:51 |
| mth | does the nano have a charger? | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | uncofigured | 17:51 |
| kristianpaul | charger? no | 17:52 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: usbboot mode? | 17:52 |
| kristianpaul | emdete: yes | 17:52 |
| mth | afaik USB starts in a low power mode and after exchanging some messages it can increase the power | 17:52 |
| kristianpaul | [edit] Hardware USB_BOOT | 17:52 |
| emdete | so how do you know? | 17:52 |
| kristianpaul | i dont | 17:52 |
| kristianpaul | i'm trying to get there | 17:52 |
| emdete | if its in usbboot mode and switches on, the screen stays black... | 17:52 |
| emdete | you have to watch syslog from the linux host where its connected to | 17:53 |
| emdete | or a lsusb | 17:53 |
| emdete | to see the dev | 17:53 |
| kristianpaul | it is black as power off and dmesg said nothing new about the usb | 17:53 |
| emdete | that happened to mee also from time to time. just unplug & replug usb | 17:53 |
| mth | "Product: JZ4740 USB Boot Device" | 17:53 |
| mth | that can be confusing the first time indeed | 17:53 |
| emdete | mth: exact | 17:53 |
| Action: kristianpaul trying again | 17:54 | |
| emdete | :) | 17:54 |
| mth | well, this is from the Dingoo, but I expect it to be similar (slightly different CPU model?) | 17:54 |
| kristianpaul | no luck | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | saids | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | i must on after press power button 2 seconds | 17:56 |
| zear | mth, actually, for my lsusb it is listed as a blank device | 17:56 |
| kristianpaul | dmesg? | 17:56 |
| mth | zear: this was from dmesg | 17:56 |
| zear | ah | 17:57 |
| mth | kristianpaul: on the Dingoo I always press the B button (USB boot mode trigger there) first and then reset | 17:57 |
| mth | it takes a very short time to get into USB boot mode, far less than a second | 17:58 |
| emdete | mth: yes, a Bus 003 Device 006: ID 601a:4740 | 17:58 |
| kristianpaul | what abouy if i deleted uboot? | 17:58 |
| zear | mth, the problem i had with booting the nanonote into usb boot mode was it needs about 2sec to do it | 17:58 |
| kristianpaul | emdete: yes in normal contitions | 17:58 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: no problem | 17:58 |
| kristianpaul | usb hardware boot | 17:59 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: the bootloader for usbboot is unbrickable | 17:59 |
| emdete | it is /not/ u-boot | 17:59 |
| emdete | you can wipe out the whole nand, np | 17:59 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 17:59 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: did you check to press power for some seconds (just watch syslog) | 17:59 |
| kristianpaul | i did | 18:01 |
| emdete | did you try another usb cable? | 18:02 |
| emdete | do u have a hub inbetween? | 18:02 |
| sid__ | hi, is JZ4740 mips or mipsel? | 18:03 |
| kristianpaul | no hub | 18:03 |
| mth | sid__: mipsel, little endian | 18:04 |
| kristianpaul | ii'll try other usb cable later (not have spare stuff here) | 18:04 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: sounds weird, never had such a problem so often. succeeded always the second time to boot | 18:04 |
| mth | zear: maybe power on vs reset makes a difference in timing? | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | emdete: i just deleted some stuff with xburst and then unplug | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | replug | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | and here i'm | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | i ran | 18:05 |
| zear | mth, could be, i did it with power on | 18:05 |
| emdete | could be you usb-boot "switch" is somehow... broken? | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | usbboot -c "boot" | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | sed -i 's/NAND_FORCEERASE = .*/NAND_FORCEERASE = 1/' /etc/xburst-tools/usbboot.cfg | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | usbboot -c "nerase 0 4096 0 0" | 18:05 |
| kristianpaul | then unplug | 18:06 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: yes, that wipes all. i had alot of problems after some flashing to flash without | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 18:06 |
| kristianpaul | i just want it to try pyneo :/ | 18:06 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: i assume you don't use usbboot at all - have you tried soft-usbboot? | 18:06 |
| emdete | kristianpaul: pyneo isn't very far, you will try debian on the nn :) | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | emdete: soft-usboot? (U + power) | 18:07 |
| emdete | yes. | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | i did | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | dmesg said nothing | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | also syslog | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | and hardware usboot | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | saids | 18:07 |
| kristianpaul | that the nano must turn on first | 18:08 |
| kristianpaul | then unoplug and replug | 18:08 |
| kristianpaul | and try hardware usb boot | 18:08 |
| kristianpaul | so the first thing dind work | 18:08 |
| kristianpaul | no power | 18:08 |
| kristianpaul | no black LCM screen | 18:09 |
| kristianpaul | any way | 18:09 |
| kristianpaul | i must travel back home | 18:09 |
| emdete | yes, it stays black in usbboot | 18:09 |
| kristianpaul | nos leemos luego | 18:09 |
| emdete | :D | 18:09 |
| kristianpaul | emdete: but usb dont show nothing | 18:09 |
| kristianpaul | chao ! | 18:09 |
| emdete | /thats/ strange | 18:09 |
| sid__ | mth: thx | 18:12 |
| kristianpaul | help ! | 20:43 |
| kristianpaul | emdete: nothing :( | 20:44 |
| kristianpaul | usb cable is okay | 20:44 |
| kristianpaul | i did usb hardware boot i think bot dmesg nothing shows | 20:58 |
| kristianpaul | if uboot is okay why it dint power up? | 20:59 |
| kristianpaul | or may uboot be damaged? what can i do? | 20:59 |
| mth | uboot is on the NAND, so erasing the NAND would erase it too | 21:00 |
| mth | but USB boot should always work, in theory | 21:00 |
| kristianpaul | mth: in theory | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | ? | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | :/ | 21:02 |
| kristianpaul | well in my case the nand was flashed | 21:02 |
| mth | I don't know why it won't work for you | 21:02 |
| sid_ | in usb boot (u+power) screen is not on; lsusb is 601a:4740 instead of 0525:a4a2 | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | lsusb is not changing | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | i know when it does as before i flashed nano | 21:03 |
| kristianpaul | wait | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | is there ! | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | uff | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | Booted successfully! | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | i really was scared | 21:04 |
| kristianpaul | hardware usbot worked finally :) | 21:05 |
| mth | :) | 21:05 |
| mth | any idea why it didn't work earlier? | 21:05 |
| kristianpaul | is gone | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | ah | 21:07 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: relax! :-) | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | okay back | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | mth: usb hardware boot is tricky | 21:12 |
| kristianpaul | relly ! | 21:12 |
| kristianpaul | really* | 21:12 |
| kristianpaul | hopes pyneo boots this time | 21:12 |
| kristianpaul | i want debian in every device i can find :) | 21:13 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: why tricky? shorting the USB boot pins doesn't work all the time? | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | the lowest level test you can run on the host side to see whether the Nano is in USB boot mode is 'lsusb' | 21:17 |
| kristianpaul | in my case dont | 21:17 |
| kristianpaul | yes i did | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | if lsusb shows 601a:4740, it's in USB boot mode. if it doesn't show those numbers, it's not. | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | i think my method is not good at all | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | but it worked | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | not i'm flashing pyneo again | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | with the carbonized rubber button included in the box, you should be able to short those pins in at least 99% of cases | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | i lost mine :/ | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | oh | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | we'll send you a few new ones | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | is somewhere in de desk | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | can you email me your postal address? | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | he | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | well maybe you look there first | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | if you cannot find it, we'll just put a few in a regular letter and mail to you | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | they cost something like .6 US cents or so | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | thanks :) | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | i think i can get some from an old calcultor | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | too | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: please email me your postal address | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | well it's up to you | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | anytime, just email your address and we'll send a letter. no biggie. | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | normal letter though, not fedex or so, that would be a little disproportionate | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | yup :) | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | without the button, which method are you using? | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | the second best for me always was aluminum foil, but I have heard other preferences | 21:21 |
| kristianpaul | i'm using a resistor wire :p | 21:21 |
| kristianpaul | it was just in front of mine | 21:21 |
| wolfspraul | k | 21:21 |
| wolfspraul | are you planning to hook up the UART GPS chip you have? | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | yes i want | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | I would be super interested in that | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | you need to hook it up to TP4/TP5, then you should have no keyboard interference issue | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | just let me finish the reprap i'll have more time | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | unfortunately those TPs are not under the battery label | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | ohh | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | yep | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | so jump into your first Nano disassembly :-) | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | TP4/TP5 is the second serial port isnt? | 21:23 |
| kristianpaul | yeah seems i'll have too :) | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | not really, I think the CPU pins are somewhat configurable | 21:23 |
| kristianpaul | ah okay | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | somehow the bottom line is that our latest u-boot will configure TP4/5 to be UART0, but without keyboard interference? | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | I am not 100% sure myself actually | 21:24 |
| wolfspraul | but I believe it should work, I think David confirmed that | 21:24 |
| wolfspraul | your application with the GPS chip would be the next step | 21:24 |
| wolfspraul | see whether we can hookup a new peripheral to the Nano | 21:24 |
| wolfspraul | if I come to Colombia in late June, that's a good opportunity for me to bring spare parts or what not | 21:25 |
| wolfspraul | so if you dig out some success (or failures) before then we have an easy chance to react | 21:25 |
| wolfspraul | of course I can always just mail stuff too... | 21:26 |
| kristianpaul | my fears is that the nano will no be able to provide enought current | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | then something will reset | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | the wrt54gl used to do that :/ | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | ahh pyneo | 21:34 |
| Action: kristianpaul back to lovelly openwrt | 21:34 | |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: enough current for what? | 21:37 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: for the GPD | 21:37 |
| kristianpaul | GPS* | 21:37 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: ah OK, for current question email the developer list, I'm sure Adam can have a definitive answer | 21:37 |
| sid__ | how do i get a xterm with the actual image? | 21:39 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 21:40 |
| kristianpaul | xterm is X11 utility isnt? | 21:40 |
| sid__ | cannot work with gxmenu; does anyone currently trys to compile gentoo on it | 21:41 |
| sid__ | yes | 21:41 |
| kristianpaul | WARNING: skipping gpsd -- package not selected | 23:07 |
| kristianpaul | so it not just copy a package from openwrt and ya :) | 23:08 |
| kristianpaul | hey open nano is easy if you start the right way :) | 23:23 |
| Action: kristianpaul off bed | 23:25 | |
| wolfspraul | 'night | 23:26 |
| qi-commits | Xiangfu Liu: add-xbboot-to-xburst-tools-debian-package http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/30a9ef8 | 23:43 |
| qi-commits | Xiangfu Liu: merge xbboot and usbboot to one projects http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/65cc561 | 23:43 |
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