#qi-hardware IRC log for Monday, 2010-05-03

vegyraupemorning channel00:10
dmarschalhello!01:25
dmarschalI opkg'd binutils but it seems as doesn't generate mips32 executable01:25
dmarschalwhat did I miss01:25
dmarschalI also found that ttk 98 phone batteries, (model ka08)01:33
dmarschalfit NN fine. size is identical, 750mah, external charger is available01:34
dmarschalbye01:36
wolfspraulwow so fast01:36
wolfspraulI just wanted to ask him to update http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Compatible_batteries01:36
wolfspraul:-)01:36
wolfsprauloh well...01:36
qi-commitsXiangfu Liu: change the option --daemon to --upload http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/d99438303:43
tuxbraincan any one confirm my petition to debian devels has arrive on the qi list? I migrating from gmail to evolution and I have not see my mail there yet.05:34
wolfspraultuxbrain: don't think so05:39
tuxbrain:( , lets try again.05:47
dmarschalHi05:54
dmarschalI'll take a photo of the ttk 98 battery and update wiki later05:54
wolfsprauldmarschal: ah great05:55
wolfspraulyou were gone too quickly earlier05:55
wolfsprauljust got your Nano? any feedback?05:55
dmarschalI"ve orderd a month ago from tuxbrain05:56
dmarschalarrived in 24 hours from Spain to Hunary05:56
dmarschalNN is very a good machine I can tell05:56
wolfspraulit took one month or 24 hours? don't understand :-)05:56
wolfspraulhungary?05:57
dmarschalin 24 hours, and yes i'm in hungary, budapest05:57
tuxbrainit has if one month ago, and recieved in 24h from his order :)05:57
tuxbrains/if/it05:57
wolfspraulhungary, so cool!05:57
wolfspraulthe original home of the much beloved mplayer05:57
wolfspraulmplayer is actually one of those things we try to get to work well on the NanoNote next05:58
wolfspraulIngenic published some sources, also using the SIMD instructions of the CPU that can accelerate things, but right now it all doesn't work yet...05:58
zearwolfspraul, not only mplayer, but also openmortal ;)06:00
wolfspraulyeah, I've heard about many things from Szeged, so for sure there must be a large scene. never heard about openmortal before, checking...06:01
wolfsprauldmarschal: can you blog about the NanoNote in Hungarian?06:02
dmarschasorry my mbook went  down06:02
wolfsprauldmarscha: you may have missed some things (ping timeout) - just in general the IRC logs are at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs06:02
wolfspraulmbook = macbook?06:03
dmarschathank you!06:03
zearwolfspraul, oh that's pure evil06:03
zearwhy log irc chats?06:03
wolfspraulzear: because a lot of people like them, I'd say it's standard for a good irc channel06:03
zeardon't want google to know what i say ;)06:03
wolfspraulthe channel is public anyway06:04
wolfspraulso you would put people with local logging, who have their own servers running, or just a stable network, at an advantage over those that don't06:04
Action: tuxbrain like irc logs06:04
zearyes it is, but i don't like the idea of google monitoring every single message on this channel, and storing it for ever06:04
wolfspraulzear: but I agree the HTML formatted logs bring out the truth in a bit harder way than otherwise :-)06:04
tuxbrainthere is a lot of info flowing than without loggin will be lost forever06:04
wolfspraulmaybe we can disable the irclogs in robots.txt06:05
wolfspraulI think google will follow the settings there06:05
zearhttp irc logging is the reason i don't hang out on #openmoko06:05
wolfspraulhe06:05
wolfspraulI hope that doesn't mean we won't see you again here...06:05
zearwell, this actually might happen06:05
tuxbrain:( why?06:05
zeari don't want to leave this place, but i also don't want someone be able to google some dirty stuff about me in 5 years06:06
tuxbrainmmmm little paranoia is good but you are wrong in how to focus it06:06
zearno, i have experience from #openmoko06:07
zeargoogle have cached me saying what's my opinion on computer piracy ;)06:07
wolfspraulzear: there are very valuable discussions going on in IRC, and the html irc logs make those much more accessible06:07
zearwolfspraul, i know, i know06:07
tuxbrainyou must by definition don't publish/speack/write of dirty stuff or anything you would repent06:07
zearbut still, don't like when big brother is spying on me06:08
wolfspraulI share that sentiment.06:08
wolfspraulbut actually the highest todo item on my list to help with that is to stop using google analytics and move to piwik.org06:08
wolfspraulbut even that I won'd to anytime soon, too many higher priorities...06:08
wolfspraulzear: so yes bottom line, we have irclogs now and we are happy about it06:09
tuxbraindear... at least with google you know who is the brand is spying you. "Real" big brothers doesn't show their faces06:09
wolfspraulbut you are the first person to complain and I hear you06:09
wolfspraultrue :-)06:09
zeari hope robots.txt can reduce the privacy issues, but it's enough that one search engine ignores robots.txt and caches the logs, and then google goes on that search engine pages and caches it ;)06:09
tuxbrainTalking about privacy in a public channel doesn't make sense06:10
zeartuxbrain, of course it's just plaintext06:10
zearbut there's a big difference between personal logs from irc clients and public logs available on google06:10
zearwolfspraul, what method do you use for caching the channel logs? Just an irc client running in the background, logging everything? If so, you could set it to ignore messages from my nick06:12
tuxbrainI consider the public chat as equal as public email-list, you should use other channels to maintain privacy, I strong encourage you to change your mind about this to avoid any (bad) surprise06:12
wolfspraulzear: yes definitely06:12
wolfspraulI use eggdrop, in fact the complete server config is 100% documented at http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup06:13
zeartuxbrain, yeah, but irc is instant messaging. I don't want to consider every word i say here06:13
zearoh, and i'm not sure if public irc logs are safe for people from china06:15
tuxbrainzear, free advice also for real live: In public ALWAYS consider every word you say or/and proudly face consequences06:15
wolfspraulIRC is public06:15
wolfspraul(this channel here)06:15
wolfspraulanyway, for now we have the irclogs, and many people seem to be happy about them. we can look into taking zear's posts out06:16
tuxbrainsurelly people from china is also logged  without their knowledge, that is the real threatening06:16
zeartuxbrain, of course i realize irc channels aren't encrypted, but I don't want to be a paranoic who considers everything he says everywhere. I just want to be free to chat with people i consider my friends. But public logging is a real threat to freedom of speech :)06:16
wolfspraulhmm. I would think threat to freedom of speech is if people are scared to speak freely?06:17
zearI guess i'll just have to stop saying anything that isn't related to nanonote developement here06:17
wolfspraulyou definitely can have multiple aliases, that should be fun.06:18
zearwolfspraul, that's exactly what i feel now :D06:18
zearwolfspraul, yeah, tried that once, but that doesn't go very well06:18
wolfspraulzear: ok, so for now you know this channel is a) public b) has searchable HTML pages06:19
tuxbrainalso recomend to use /msg nick if you want to mantain anything "private" with some one06:19
zearwolfspraul, i guess another solution would be to remove nicks from public logs. Just leave the colors to distinguish messages from different people06:19
tuxbrainouch this sounds oddly06:19
wolfspraulzear: the ability to quickly search who said what is quite valuable.06:19
zearwolfspraul, ok, i guess in that case i'll just lurk here and speak only when it's a technical thing ;P06:20
wolfspraulhttp://irc.openinkpot.org/%23openinkpot/search?q=wolfyg06:20
wolfspraul(for the #openinkpot channel)06:21
zearand i think it would be nice if you could put an info in the channel topic that this channel is monitored06:21
wolfspraulzear: any standard there?06:21
zearfor what?06:21
wolfspraulI agree a link to the logs would be nice06:22
wolfspraulI thought maybe there is a flag or so, but maybe we just put a link to the logs in the text06:22
zearah, i guess there's nothing like that06:22
zearor at least i never heard of it06:22
wolfspraulzear: speaking about technical things, have you tried mplayer again?06:23
zearwolfspraul, well, first i compiled it myself06:23
wolfspraulI think I read here you tried but it segfaulted06:23
zearall i was getting was a segfault06:23
zearthen i tried the binary from someone from this channel who compiled it himself and claimed it worked for him06:23
zearand again - was getting a segfault06:24
zearthe version i compiled myself was non-IPU with ingenics patches06:24
zearthe very same that's used on dingux06:25
wolfspraulok06:28
dmarschalI'm back. My umid mbook went down again. Sorry for that06:42
wolfspraulhe06:45
dmarschalback to my original question, has anyone got "as" or "gas" working on NN?06:45
wolfspraulno problem06:45
xiangfudmarschal, you mean as:  "the portable GNU assembler"06:50
dmarschalyes06:51
xiangfudmarschal, let me search.06:52
dmarschalxiangfu: thank you06:52
xiangfudmarschal,  there is "binutils" package in openwrt.06:54
dmarschalyes, i found it and installed it already.06:57
wolfsprauldmarschal: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/openwrt/xburst/latest/06:57
wolfspraulthat's our official repo06:57
vegyraupewolfspraul, tuxbrain: call in 3 ?06:57
wolfsprauloh06:58
dmarschalit compiles 'hello.s' a simple hello world source without error06:58
wolfspraulgood reminder! :-)06:58
dmarschalbut when i want to run 'a.out' i got an error of 'line 1: syntax error: unexpected word';07:00
dmarschalif it was made for another cpu07:00
xiangfudmarschal, I will check the binutils package later .07:03
dmarschalfile a.out : elf 32-bit lsb relocatable, mips, mips-i version 1 (sysv), not stripped"07:03
dmarschalxiangfu: thank you07:04
mortysHi all07:04
xiangfudmarschal, I need offline  for a while. will post in mailing list :-)07:05
dmarschalok thank you07:05
wolfspraulmortys: hi07:06
dmarschalbye07:09
vegyraupetuxbrain: ?07:09
tuxbrainvegyraupe: giveme 10 mins07:09
vegyraupetuxbrain: ack07:09
vegyraupe:)07:09
mortyshi wolf07:24
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Fix going a dir up in the filebrowser http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8c31cee07:46
zearlarsc, i believe you need to fix it in a couple of places in the code08:10
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Fix rootdir check. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/1557c5a08:16
zearah, thanks :D08:16
larschm, should we use "/card" or "/" for the disksize?08:19
zearlarsc, that's a good question. The perfect solution would be to add two disksizes08:19
zearone for nand and the other for sd card08:19
zearthough i guess that needs the modification of the gui08:20
larschm, ok i'll change it to /card for now than08:20
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Use "/card" instead of "/card/gmenu2x" for disk stats http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/431e88e08:22
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Fix rootdir check. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/dd0c4eb08:22
wolfspraultuxbrain: how about the mailing lists now?09:28
tuxbrainwolfspraul: seem they work ok09:28
wolfspraulok09:29
tuxbrainat least I was able to receive and send some post :)09:29
wolfspraulstrange problem with spamassassin on the server, eating up all memory09:29
wolfsprauljust started by itself after months without problems09:29
tuxbrainsometimes 0 & 1 go crazy, I will be watching if it happens again and will report ASAP if it happens09:30
qi-commitsBas Wijnen: improve init; make destroy simpler http://qi-hw.com/p/iris/c8f7b1c10:55
qi-commitsBas Wijnen: make things work with unfinished new startup procedure http://qi-hw.com/p/iris/12bfb3210:55
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Unify filedialog and browsedialog code http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8b862b813:59
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Fix menusetting widgets. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6361dde13:59
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Add qi wallpaper http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c099e5013:59
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: chmod -x on data files http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/fe0c2fe13:59
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Fix typo http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/118bc0314:03
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: browserdialog: Better path handling. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/a37ed0214:30
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: handle mouse events for browser dialog buttons http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7b66eb314:30
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Add ButtonBox widget to simplify managing buttons in the bottombar. Also fixes some memleaks where buttons were left unfreed. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/3b2538c16:23
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: filelister.cpp: Small cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/2a6a1f016:23
zearlarsc, are most of the changes in gmenu2x cross-platform? So they could be backported to the dingoo?16:25
larscyes16:26
zearah, great16:27
larsci also plan to add a device abstraction which is a bit cleaner then all the #ifdefs16:27
zearyeah, that would clean up the code a bit16:27
larscso you can use the same codebase for both devices and only have to pass different arguments to configure16:28
zearalso, i don't like how it uses the virtual GP2X keys for all the actions16:28
zearso you have to map a key that does the "B button" action16:28
zeari would rather have a way to map a button that does "options menu" or "app launch" action16:28
zear*i'd rather like to have16:29
zearhaving virtual GP2X buttons is confusing, because on the screen it says "A button does that, B button does that" and actually you have them binded to z and x and it's really confusing16:30
larschm. sounds reasonable, but would require a bigger config file16:30
zearrafa is getting his nanonote soon, and he was interested in helping gmenu2x developement. So maybe he could lend you a hand with it16:31
larscgood :)16:32
zearmaybe someone from the dingux scene could help as well. As long as it benefits the dingoo platform16:32
zearas for a bigger config file - i don't mind. The question is - is it simple enough from a technical side to implement it without redesigning the whole program?16:37
larscit would probably require some work. but as the program is not to complex it should be doable.16:41
zearthat way we could switch from a limited button control to a full qwerty one16:41
larscyes16:41
larsci guess it would be good to start with adding qwerty support to the textinput fields.16:42
zearyep16:42
rafalarsc: the easy way to add qwerty support for gmenu2x would seem to be to do emulation. For example, when gmenu2x draws the keyboard to type some text : you press, for example, the 'H' on nanonote keyboard, and then the gmenu2x code could to do the proper movements on screeen keyboard to emulate the H key pressed.16:43
zearbtw, gmenu2x has support for mouse actions, so i think investing in developement of this app can benefit future generation of the nanonote, ex. ones with a touchscreen16:43
tuxbrainlarsc:+1 to the qwerty16:44
zearrafa, you'd have to store the current position, also remember about different keyboard layouts to choose from16:45
zearthere's one for special characters, and one for cyryllic16:45
rafawell, the gmenu2x should know which keyboard layout is showing..16:45
zear*cyrillic16:45
rafaand the posittion should be easy to save16:45
zearrafa, well, that is only a workaround, not really solving a problem :)16:46
zeari don't know if i'm in the right position to say that (as i can't help with developing gmenu2x), but i think implementing a true qwerty support (which shouldn't be too hard) would be better16:46
rafaof course no, But it seems that nobody is going to clean that code properly, and I guess that nobody wants to keep that code (e.g. rewritten all the bad code there)16:46
zearrafa, i guess larsc is on his way of cleaning the code, fixing the memory leaks, etc16:47
rafazear: "of course no" is the answer to "that is only a workaround, not really solving a problem" :)16:47
zearthe question is - does he have enough time to fix it all? :D16:47
rafaanother question : is really a good idea to do all that? :)16:48
tuxbraingmenu2x is quick, simple, versatile and themeable, it also is touchsreeen/mouse compatible I bet it will continue with us for long time, but when "we"(larsc we are a team, isn't it? :P)  finish with the code maybe it has to be called lasrcmenuNN :P16:48
rafazear: My idea is just for qwerty.. .. if gmenu2x needs a lot of new features and fixes.. and all agree to implement all those features and fixes then the workaround idea is not a good one to do ;)16:49
zearrafa, but you could read the value of a key that's being pressed, and then pass it to a function that prints it's value on screen in the text field, ommiting the virtual keyboard key seleciton16:50
zeari think it should be easier to write than your idea of faking the virtual keyboard keypresses ;)16:50
zeartuxbrain, :D16:51
zeari don't really mind the name16:51
rafazear: well, if the code lets you to do that then yes .. that would be the proper modification to do :)16:51
rafado some of you have gmenu2x videos? I have not tested it.. but everyone love it.. I would like to check how great it is :)16:52
zearrafa, just compile it for x86 :)16:53
zeari use it for my "gamebox" pc16:53
zear(which is my standard pc, just plug a joypad to it, then launch gmenu2x with a nice collection of emulators, and can select the emus/games with it, without a need of using a mouse/keyboard16:54
zearreally handy :)16:54
rafazear: okey, I will. Being a newbie in gmenu2x.. which are the best features?16:55
zeardifferent tabs for emulators/games/apps/whatever16:55
zeareasy way to add new entries16:56
zeara file selector for emulators/apps that need to load external files16:56
zearability to launch apps with commandline parameters16:56
zearfully themeable16:56
zearsupport of different languages16:56
rafafully themeable sounds nice16:56
zearand there is a lot of themes already (as it is used in gp2x/wiz/dingoo)16:56
zearability to set custom volume/brightness/cpu values for each game separately16:57
zearbattery status, filesystem capacity information16:57
rafajeje.. lot of little nice things16:58
zearautoscanning the filesystem for new games/apps16:58
zearthough this feature needs the apps to have some sort of an extension16:58
zearfor gp2x/wiz it's .gpe, for dingoo it's .dge16:59
zeari think i left the .dge for the nanonote version, unless you guys changed it already16:59
zearof course you can add new apps yourself, then they don't need to have extensions16:59
zearoh yeah, and it can log standard output and error output of the apps that are launched with it17:01
rafawell, lot of nice features.. all of them are simple as well. Fully themeable is the hardest perhaps (if we would think to write a new menu)17:03
zeari agree17:03
zearrafa, and it's not only gfx themes, it's also size and position of the bars and icons17:03
zearwejp, check this out: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/gmenu2x/source/tree/master/pandora/skins/Default/icons/music.png17:29
zearit's from default gmenu2x skin17:29
zearcould something like this settle for gmu icon?17:29
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Initalize buffer. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/09999ed17:57
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Fix out of bounds read http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c9c915c17:57
qi-commitsLars-Peter Clausen: Initalise event http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/dc6538117:57
mthlooking at those commit comments, it's a miracle that gmenu2x runs at all :)18:00
zear:D18:01
qi-commitsJuan64Bits: Adding Vm and Vrms measure for Scope example with basic signals http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/07888ac19:18
sid_hi, at the moment i compile a toolchain with gentoo. did not found informations how to build a image file. do i have to rev-enginer http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image or where can i find them?19:33
sid_i am not familiar with wrt so it will take a lot of time :-)19:34
Steve4Hey guys, anyone here experienced with nvidia video cards?23:09
Steve6Hey guys, anyone here experienced with nvidia video cards?23:11
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