| mortys | Hi zear, do you have any news of slaanesh ? | 07:38 |
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| zear | hey mortys | 07:40 |
| zear | nope, nothing new | 07:40 |
| mortys | So we just have to wait :), but I supposed it polishing his release... | 07:40 |
| mortys | Zear, Slaanesh released the Dosbox test version. | 08:09 |
| zear | yep, testing it right now :) | 08:20 |
| mortys | I'm gonna do it now | 08:21 |
| mortys | what do you use to mount the µsd card as C_Drive | 08:26 |
| mortys | in the config file | 08:26 |
| mortys | Zear ? | 08:32 |
| zear | first you need to mount in on linux | 08:32 |
| zear | then you do mount C /card | 08:32 |
| zear | in dosbox.conf | 08:33 |
| mortys | so you don't put the C drive stuff at the end... ok | 08:33 |
| zear | nope, check dosbox.conf | 08:33 |
| zear | there's an example at the bottom | 08:33 |
| mortys | I've done it but write C /card/ c_drive | 08:34 |
| mortys | not just C /card/ | 08:34 |
| mortys | syndicate is launching :) | 08:36 |
| mortys | pretty slow but launched | 08:37 |
| mortys | How do you get the mouse to work ? | 09:18 |
| mstevens | yay, microsd usb adapter arrived | 13:55 |
| Action: mstevens attempts my first openwrt build | 14:29 | |
| Action: mstevens cheers on the openwrt build process and hopes this doesn't really take 6 hours | 15:05 | |
| larsc | depends on your cpu and ram | 15:07 |
| mstevens | well I think this machine is fairly good, but there's only one way to find out | 15:08 |
| larsc | if it's a revent machine and your are not include qt in your build it should be less then an hour | 15:08 |
| mstevens | It's whatever the default build is | 15:09 |
| larsc | default build is less then half an hour | 15:10 |
| mstevens | ha, build failed | 15:13 |
| wolfspraul | I have setup irclogs of this channel at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs | 20:49 |
| wolfspraul | also, git pushes (commits) into any of the projects on projects.qi-hardware.com should now trigger 1 line into #qi-hardware as well | 20:49 |
| wolfspraul | let's see whether it all works, we may need to finetune a little here and there... | 20:49 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: hi there, still up? | 20:55 |
| mth | hi wolfspraul | 20:56 |
| mth | larsc: does the NanoNote have backlight control? I can't find any reference to it in board-qi_lb60.c (lb60 is the NN, right?) | 20:57 |
| mth | I am considering writing a backlight driver for Dingoo, but maybe I can make it a generic JZ backlight driver in one go | 20:58 |
| mth | then I can remove all backlight related code from the SLCD driver | 20:58 |
| wolfspraul | mth: hi :-) | 20:59 |
| wolfspraul | lb60 is ben nanonote, yes | 20:59 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: hola | 21:04 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: how is everything going with the NanoNote? | 21:05 |
| kristianpaul | so far, is good | 21:05 |
| wolfspraul | I will give a talk at the Campus Party in Bogota in late June/early July | 21:05 |
| wolfspraul | two talks actually | 21:05 |
| kristianpaul | ohh | 21:05 |
| kristianpaul | me too | 21:05 |
| wolfspraul | ah great | 21:05 |
| kristianpaul | indeed ! | 21:06 |
| wolfspraul | I was just asking how far it is from Bogota to your place :-) | 21:06 |
| kristianpaul | kind of | 21:06 |
| kristianpaul | if you open a OSM map of colombia | 21:06 |
| wolfspraul | so I need to prepare many many things on my end, but one thing I wanted to try is to get a simple Colombian disti setup | 21:06 |
| kristianpaul | Buga from Bogota is 500Km far | 21:06 |
| kristianpaul | disti = distribution? | 21:06 |
| wolfspraul | normally I like traveling, bus/train etc. but in Colombia the general advice in the west seems to be to not do that :-) | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | well plain is better, and faster | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | for the people can affor it | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | afford* | 21:07 |
| wolfspraul | k | 21:07 |
| wolfspraul | but anyway you are in Bogota | 21:07 |
| wolfspraul | disti = distributor, yes | 21:07 |
| kristianpaul | for campus party i will | 21:08 |
| wolfspraul | so I need to find someone who can help not so much on profit motives, but just to get a few Nanos at good prices to interested people in Colombia | 21:08 |
| kristianpaul | nice | 21:08 |
| wolfspraul | can you help me find someone? | 21:08 |
| wolfspraul | nice it would be if we would find someone :-) | 21:09 |
| kristianpaul | i dont know | 21:09 |
| kristianpaul | indeed | 21:09 |
| kristianpaul | may be i can ask | 21:09 |
| kristianpaul | hmm | 21:09 |
| kristianpaul | wait | 21:09 |
| wolfspraul | there was a company in Colombia asking about distributor once, but I think they would sell at huge markup etc. | 21:09 |
| wolfspraul | 1 USD = ca. 2000 colombian pesos, right? | 21:10 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:10 |
| wolfspraul | so the coolest thing would be if we could sell for 200,000 pesos, but that's probably impossible with shipping & import taxes | 21:10 |
| kristianpaul | :( | 21:10 |
| kristianpaul | indeed | 21:10 |
| kristianpaul | my nano was 260.000 | 21:10 |
| wolfspraul | I am willing to share the burden on my end, but the problem is more to find an equal partner on the other end who won't add 100% :-) | 21:11 |
| wolfspraul | that's a great price | 21:11 |
| wolfspraul | that's only the cost of shipping & import taxes added | 21:11 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:11 |
| wolfspraul | which at this stage is what it should be, we need to find people that help us spread the thing. If we don't find them, well then it spreads slower... | 21:11 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: basically we need this: | 21:11 |
| wolfspraul | We need someone who is willing to order 20 Nanos, say for a total of about 4 million pesos | 21:12 |
| wolfspraul | they need to risk that much money | 21:12 |
| wolfspraul | then we will work together with them to sell them in colombia | 21:12 |
| wolfspraul | since I give a talk, and you are also at campus party, I think we have a chance that we get them sold | 21:12 |
| wolfspraul | but in the end the distributor will most likely only make all his costs back, and have become a member of our community | 21:13 |
| kristianpaul | thats hard people to find here | 21:13 |
| wolfspraul | if he totally cannot sell, I am willing to take the nanos back, but even then the distributor will loose a little money for shipping, taxes, or what not (and his time) | 21:13 |
| Action: kristianpaul wish have 4 millones | 21:13 | |
| kristianpaul | wait a min, you mean sell in the campus party time? | 21:14 |
| wolfspraul | I am just trying to find a way to get them to people that are interested. Which I think after my campus party talk there will be some. | 21:14 |
| wolfspraul | And maybe there wish to buy one can be fulfilled, or not. At least I want to try. | 21:14 |
| wolfspraul | and I think we should work together to bring the price down, not up. I am looking for someone to help me on that. | 21:15 |
| wolfspraul | I don't know whether I am allowed to sell there, I think they don't like that. Which is fine. | 21:15 |
| wolfspraul | But there will be a talk about Ben NanoNote (and SAKC), so I would think a few people at least will say "yeah, I want to play with this too" | 21:15 |
| kristianpaul | yeah campus people is bad ;) | 21:15 |
| kristianpaul | what said carlos there? | 21:16 |
| kristianpaul | he is in bogota | 21:16 |
| kristianpaul | may be know more people than do i | 21:16 |
| wolfspraul | Carlos and his students are already doing so much to help. | 21:16 |
| wolfspraul | maybe there is a LUG in Colombia, or some other free software/content people? | 21:16 |
| kristianpaul | sure | 21:16 |
| kristianpaul | at slcolombia.org | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | Creative Commons Colombia? Local Wikimedia Foundation chapter? | 21:17 |
| kristianpaul | yes there is Creative Commons | 21:17 |
| kristianpaul | Carolina Botero is in charge | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | we just need 1 person who says "what the heck, why not, I just take the plunge and risk 4 million pesos to help these guys get started in Colombia" | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | plus I am 90% confident we make every penny back | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | I even take the Nanos back myself if they don't sell | 21:17 |
| wolfspraul | but the one thing that is not possible is that everybody makes a lot of money. That won't work at the beginning, the product is too cheap and volumes too low right now. | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: so if you can ask around a bit that would be cool | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: i'll try | 21:18 |
| wolfspraul | would be sad if I give a talk but the stuff I am talking about is inaccessible to people | 21:18 |
| kristianpaul | considering i'm dont know too much rich people ;) | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | only to the rich who order with fedex from Hong Kong | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | it still expensive here even 200mill | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | my ticket to Colombia costs more than 20 Nanos | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: the moment we have someone who takes an EQUAL RISK in this, I am willing to take a bigger risk too | 21:19 |
| kristianpaul | this is not a rich conuntry, technology still expensive for masess | 21:19 |
| wolfspraul | meaning that I could well imagine to lower prices further for Colombia | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | yes, i understand | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | but the problem is like I said: It doesn't make sense that I lower prices only so that others can markup more. | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | we get requests all the time | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | but those are companies that will sell it for 200USD and more | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | yes :( | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | 350 even (in one emerging country) | 21:20 |
| wolfspraul | crazy | 21:20 |
| kristianpaul | :( | 21:21 |
| wolfspraul | if we can make the nanos more accessible I have a plan to drive them down to 60 USD | 21:21 |
| wolfspraul | but needs higher volume. and higher volume needs better software and content, which gladly lots of people are working on right now. | 21:21 |
| wolfspraul | including you :-) | 21:21 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: ok, so back to the Colombia 'distributor' - can you ask around a bit? | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | yes i'll do | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | I'd say we should not look for the normal 'import' company, they are only motivated by large markup | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | so 4millons? | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | we need to look for a believer/supporter of the project | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 21:22 |
| kristianpaul | i'll look for a local foundation | 21:22 |
| wolfspraul | if we cannot find that person then that just means the device is only available via fedex from hk | 21:23 |
| kristianpaul | not promise, but i'll try | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | which it is already | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | that means until all import taxes have been paid 1 Ben NanoNote costs ca. 200 USD in Colombia | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | 400,000 pesos | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | so we have that already | 21:23 |
| kristianpaul | beleiveme, if i have that money, i'll put in nanos | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | but now we are trying to bring it down | 21:23 |
| wolfspraul | carlos brought it down by ordering 20, btw | 21:24 |
| wolfspraul | by ordering 10 or 20, the per unit shipping costs comes down a lot | 21:24 |
| kristianpaul | btw, Carlos is on business i mean, i know he own emqbit, and sell stuff and services | 21:24 |
| kristianpaul | not all is just teaching | 21:24 |
| wolfspraul | sure I know. But they already bend over backwards to help. | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | okay | 21:25 |
| wolfspraul | Only thanks to Carlos do we have some Nanos in Colombia now, for reasonable prices like you bought. | 21:25 |
| wolfspraul | Carlos is the only free software/content guy in Colombia? | 21:25 |
| wolfspraul | that's just impossible | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | not | 21:25 |
| kristianpaul | check this http://code.google.com/p/altaimpedancia/ | 21:26 |
| wolfspraul | so someone please put their money where their mouth is | 21:26 |
| kristianpaul | are other guys interested in hardware freedom | 21:26 |
| wolfspraul | we make it back anyway, the only thing we cannot create are real profits right now | 21:26 |
| kristianpaul | i know i know, i'll try talk with people i'm related (a few) but is a try | 21:26 |
| wolfspraul | great! :-) thanks... | 21:27 |
| wolfspraul | so how's the nano for you? starting to become useful? | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | really ! | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | ogg music all time so far | 21:27 |
| wolfspraul | so much software we could/should bring to it | 21:27 |
| kristianpaul | i just need make some time to add more sofware | 21:27 |
| wolfspraul | yeah | 21:28 |
| wolfspraul | do you have an accoung on projects.qi-hardware.com ? | 21:28 |
| kristianpaul | nope | 21:28 |
| wolfspraul | that way you could commit directly into qi-packages, and your stuff shows up in our images and package repos | 21:28 |
| kristianpaul | and ill try have some case prototype before campus party | 21:28 |
| wolfspraul | wow, cool | 21:28 |
| kristianpaul | wich my conference will be about reprap i hope :) | 21:28 |
| wolfspraul | I can show them on my talk. | 21:28 |
| wolfspraul | nice! | 21:28 |
| kristianpaul | i want :) | 21:29 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: create yourself an account on projects, then I'll add you to the qi-packages project | 21:29 |
| wolfspraul | so you can commit there | 21:29 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 21:29 |
| kristianpaul | i did i think | 21:29 |
| wolfspraul | it's very important that the porting work that is going on shows up in the images and package repos, so it becomes easily accessible for everybody | 21:29 |
| kristianpaul | kristianpaul = user | 21:29 |
| wolfspraul | oh one sec | 21:29 |
| wolfspraul | should I add you to openwrt-packages and openwrt-xburst? | 21:29 |
| Action: kristianpaul that remenber i really liked that project management | 21:30 | |
| kristianpaul | i'll ask for it as soon i have something usefull i think | 21:30 |
| wolfspraul | I'll just add you now | 21:30 |
| kristianpaul | ok | 21:30 |
| wolfspraul | no need to waste time later again | 21:30 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: I added you as member to openwrt-packages, openwrt-xburst and xburst-tools | 21:32 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: are yo coming for wich days of campus party? | 21:32 |
| kristianpaul | okay thanks for the trust | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | I forgot in detail how it works, I think you may have to upload your ssh public key, then you can push into the repo | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | nah, thanks for hanging around and sharing your passion! | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | all days | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | in fact I arrive 2 days early | 21:33 |
| kristianpaul | i do :) | 21:33 |
| wolfspraul | 25 or 26 | 21:33 |
| kristianpaul | i hope we can chat a bit | 21:33 |
| wolfspraul | of course | 21:33 |
| kristianpaul | ohh | 21:35 |
| kristianpaul | i'm there http://www.campus-party.com.co/Software_Libre.html | 21:35 |
| kristianpaul | :D | 21:35 |
| kristianpaul | Cristian Peñaranda | 21:35 |
| wolfspraul | nice | 21:36 |
| kristianpaul | so see you thre :) | 21:36 |
| wolfspraul | definitely | 21:42 |
| wolfspraul | we'll chat more about it anyway | 21:42 |
| wolfspraul | lots of things for me to prepare, even the whole trip is not finalized yet | 21:42 |
| kristianpaul | can you bring a mlkimist one if is avaliable fot that date? | 21:42 |
| kristianpaul | :D | 21:43 |
| mth | larsc: Dingoo backlight needs PWM on timer 7, since that sends pulses over GPIO PD31 | 21:48 |
| mth | the current timer.h does not contain functions yet to reserve a timer | 21:48 |
| mth | do you already have a design for that in mind, or should I improvise something and then let you review it? | 21:49 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: http://www.projectcaua.org/ maybe qi could fit in someway, (just passing the link) | 21:50 |
| wolfspraul | kristianpaul: what is this projectaua ? | 21:59 |
| wolfspraul | I know maddog is doing it but it looked very lofty to me last time I checked | 21:59 |
| kristianpaul | wolfspraul: do yuo know john mad dog? | 21:59 |
| kristianpaul | yes | 22:00 |
| kristianpaul | well is other project trying to use free technologies to third world countries | 22:00 |
| wolfspraul | yes but are they doing anything? | 22:01 |
| wolfspraul | any results yet? | 22:01 |
| kristianpaul | i heard from maddog there is a running pilot in brazil righ now, but not sure wich free tecnologies are using | 22:01 |
| kristianpaul | not public | 22:01 |
| wolfspraul | he, OK. Nothing then. | 22:01 |
| wolfspraul | :-) | 22:01 |
| DingooDigitalUSA | who wants an A330 | 22:43 |
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