#qi-hardware IRC log for Saturday, 2014-10-25

Amorahanyone alive?02:26
wpwraknaw, our self-destruct mechanisms are error-free :)02:57
arhuaco_Alive but going to sleep.05:33
eintopfthe yoda keyboard09:17
wpwrakthought of the day: among zombies, "anyone alive" is probably an insult10:02
wpwrak(yoda kbd) the hhkb is strong in that one :)10:03
wpwrakthe three mouse buttons seem a bit large, though10:04
eintopfI want a better keyboard, but for 229.99 $? I would better buy 5 of http://www.cherry.de/PDF/DE_G80-3000.pdf10:08
eintopfbut I need black edition in US layout10:08
eintopfand with euro symbol :)10:08
eintopfG80-3000LSCEU-2 10:10
wpwrakyou could get a HHKB Lite. that's only some USD 70. all of the HHKB are great and well worth the money, even if some of them seems very expensive.10:27
wpwrak(i have one of the original ones, with PS/2, a pro, and i had - and lost - a lite)10:28
DocScrutinizer05yoda kbd. UGH! USD229 for a crappy kbd with an annoying nipple that I usually immediately remove from all my thinkpads and "plug" it into the (otherwise useless) modem RJ11 receptacle10:33
wpwrakthe nipple - the most intuitive user interface ever ;-)10:37
eintopfthe nipple is better than a touchpad11:54
eintopfcorrect word is trackpoint11:55
eintopfnipples... oh yea sometimes you need to know how you can deal with real nipples.11:56
DocScrutinizer05I'd trade in a trackpoint for a trackball any time. And a touchpad is usually even more convenient than a trackball, when it's a good touchpad, not too small12:50
whitequarkI'm trying to switch to kicad12:52
whitequarkimmediately after creating a new project, it errors out12:52
whitequarkwhen attempting to save said project, it just segfaults12:52
whitequarkA+ engineering right here12:52
wpwrakwhitequark: with kicad, you need to work a bit on the workflow. the way kicad proposes to do things often doesn't work too well13:17
wpwrake.g., i have a makefile that invokes eeschema and pcbnew directly with the respective project13:17
wpwrakand then i don13:17
wpwrak't manage symbol and footprint libraries through the gui but by just adding them to the project file. much more convenient.13:18
wpwrakand of course i don't use the footprint editor at all but do them with fped13:19
wpwrakthe editor for schematics symbols is okay, though. nothing extraordinary but sufficient.13:19
wpwrakit's useful to "enhance" them for visualization, though. like in http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/kicad-libs-components.pdf13:21
wpwrakthere, i also add the pin type, so one can see what has been set there, without having to explore it interactively13:21
wpwrakthe script for it is in the kicad-libs project (and you may want to use that project for components anyway)13:22
wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: i think trackballs are died of the y2k bug :) and i hate those fumblepads. what i prefer is a trackpoint as emergency solution while on the go and a small mouse for use when i have a table13:24
whitequarkjust don't use shitty touchpads. make sure it's a new-ish (like post 2011) synaptics13:25
whitequarkmaybe post 200913:25
wpwrakbut i know there are people who love fumblepads and the industry is pretty much forcing them down our collective throats anyway ...13:26
eintopfnever heard "fumblepads"13:29
eintopfgoogle will correct me to "rumblepad" and that's normally the gamepad extension for vibration. I think the original word cames from N64 and the "rumblepack"13:30
eintopfah rumble - some vibration and pad for pad13:30
DocScrutinizer05no, fumble like... fumbling13:38
wpwrak(fumblepads) i just made it up ;-)13:41
wpwraknice ;-) and also the picture in the comments14:28

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