| Sync | pretty small I guess | 00:11 |
|---|---|---|
| B0101 | like how many MM or UM? | 00:50 |
| soul-d | note to self don't buy bulk "high" concetrated chems hard to pour out :P took just 3 spills | 01:57 |
| soul-d | mmmkay lets hope shed survives | 02:09 |
| azonenberg | Sync: Depends on how good your cleanroom is :P | 08:38 |
| Sync | azonenberg: rather, how good you want your yield | 08:42 |
| azonenberg | That too | 08:43 |
| Action: soul-d supposidly created nitric acid and survived | 13:48 | |
| Action: azonenberg has used HNO3 but never tried synthesizing it | 13:56 | |
| azonenberg | i dont trust my chem skills quite that far | 13:56 |
| soul-d | heh i just copied a youtube and ran | 14:00 |
| soul-d | http://www.webfilehost.com/?mode=viewupload&id=109056 | 14:00 |
| soul-d | http://www.webfilehost.com/?mode=viewupload&id=1630551 | 14:00 |
| soul-d | 2 small movies | 14:00 |
| soul-d | warning sound might be bugged | 14:00 |
| soul-d | first is experiment tring to dodge fumes | 14:01 |
| soul-d | second is the result on piece of copper | 14:01 |
| soul-d | http://i.imgur.com/Oy1yd.jpg | 14:04 |
| soul-d | clear picture of setup :) | 14:04 |
| soul-d | baloon suprisingly survived | 14:04 |
| azonenberg | "allows a huge 500MB file size" lol | 14:13 |
| soul-d | and split archives | 14:13 |
| soul-d | so for free host not to shabby i think | 14:14 |
| azonenberg | Yeah, not bad for free | 14:14 |
| soul-d | tried tinypic/ movie but it keeps nagging about codes not correct | 14:14 |
| soul-d | and i got catpcha rick rolled | 14:14 |
| soul-d | :( | 14:14 |
| soul-d | most scary part of this experiment was getting 100ml of hcl (30%) out of 5L can wich took me 3 spilss and realy should wear respirator | 14:16 |
| azonenberg | Lol 5L of HCl? | 14:17 |
| azonenberg | I would not open that bottle outside a fume hood | 14:17 |
| soul-d | heh its an open shed wich is my fume hood lol | 14:18 |
| azonenberg | lol | 14:18 |
| soul-d | wich means im not their when experiments run usaly in door opening or near the exit | 14:18 |
| azonenberg | lol | 14:18 |
| soul-d | but indeed still need to make that one so i can safley observe stuff | 14:21 |
| azonenberg | you saw the pics of my hood? | 14:21 |
| azonenberg | like $200 of plastic and duct/fittings, i could probably have gotten cheaper if i shopped around | 14:22 |
| soul-d | i think i did i can rember a pic of your lab | 14:22 |
| azonenberg | http://colossus.cs.rpi.edu/pictures/2011/December/12-22-2011%20-%20lab/S7302297_sm.jpg | 14:23 |
| soul-d | thast a lot nicer then dodging airflow | 14:23 |
| azonenberg | Yep | 14:24 |
| azonenberg | nice acrylic sash (hard to tell since its clear and doesnt have a frame) going down halfway | 14:24 |
| soul-d | tubing not chemical resistant | 14:24 |
| soul-d | ? | 14:24 |
| azonenberg | Just cheap dryer tubing | 14:24 |
| azonenberg | i'm watching for signs of corrosion but havent seen any yet | 14:24 |
| soul-d | yea still got some alluminum but donno about using that tbing | 14:25 |
| azonenberg | Well the hope is that vapors wouldnt attack it too readily if you have high airflow and keep concentration low | 14:25 |
| azonenberg | I have 0.2 ft^2 of duct cross section and am moving 240 CFM through it | 14:26 |
| azonenberg | so that's 20fps airflow velocity | 14:26 |
| soul-d | true and better it atacks tubings wich you can replace then one working in the room | 14:26 |
| azonenberg | Exactly, as long as you catch leaks | 14:26 |
| azonenberg | All of the chemicals i work with the PEL is above the odor threshold | 14:26 |
| azonenberg | meaning if you can't smell it, you're safe | 14:26 |
| soul-d | :) | 14:27 |
| azonenberg | And even a brief whiff of HCl vapor is a lot better than a faceful :p | 14:27 |
| soul-d | do have abek/organic respirator filter | 14:27 |
| azonenberg | i have respirators too but the hood is so much better | 14:27 |
| azonenberg | the only reason i keep them around is for spray painting | 14:27 |
| soul-d | that a vacume bell thing btw ? | 14:28 |
| soul-d | on your left | 14:28 |
| azonenberg | Yes, i dont have it anymore | 14:28 |
| azonenberg | was for a short-term consulting gig and the client took it back | 14:28 |
| soul-d | mmm ah sadly looked solid | 14:29 |
| azonenberg | yes, it was a nice rig | 14:29 |
| azonenberg | i forget the pressure we hit but iirc it was under 100mtorr | 14:29 |
| azonenberg | we started to struggle with slow leaks at that point | 14:29 |
| azonenberg | this was using a 2-stage rotary vane pump, no diffusion etc | 14:29 |
| Action: azonenberg drools at the thought of one day owning a turbopump | 14:30 | |
| soul-d | :) yeah so much stuff to research still | 14:31 |
| soul-d | still busy doing pigments was looking intro generating a bit of cuprous oxide (i) (red) oxide | 14:33 |
| azonenberg | i see | 14:33 |
| soul-d | copper | 14:33 |
| soul-d | http://imgur.com/a/kFOFE | 14:33 |
| soul-d | bit of expirimentation with ferric spoon and paper below is extracted with hcl other electrolise | 14:34 |
| soul-d | paper on the picture below * | 14:34 |
| soul-d | http://i.imgur.com/OX2o4.jpg | 14:34 |
| soul-d | copper carbonate :) | 14:34 |
| azonenberg | ferric... chloride? | 14:39 |
| soul-d | yes what on spoon was desolved ferric cloride reacted with euhm i think it was sodium carbonate :P | 14:40 |
| soul-d | realy should keep a log :P | 14:40 |
| azonenberg | Lol you should | 14:40 |
| soul-d | t is obtained by reacting ferric chloride with sodium hydroxide: | 14:41 |
| soul-d | FeCl3 + 3NaOH ’ Fe(OH)3 + 3NaCl | 14:41 |
| soul-d | close :P | 14:41 |
| azonenberg | so iron hydroxide? | 14:41 |
| azonenberg | also, http://colossus.cs.rpi.edu/~azonenberg/downloads/datasheet.pdf :p | 14:42 |
| soul-d | yeah | 14:42 |
| soul-d | Yellow iron oxide (CAS [51274-00-1]) is used as a pigment, e.g. Pigment Yellow 42 or C.I. 77492. Pigment Yellow 42 | 14:42 |
| soul-d | was my goal :) | 14:42 |
| soul-d | instead i got mars brown i think | 14:43 |
| soul-d | :) | 14:45 |
| azonenberg | so what do you think of the datasheet? any additional measurements you think i should add? | 14:46 |
| azonenberg | "Several speed grades (IQ) available for highly differentiated low-cost applications" | 14:47 |
| azonenberg | "Available in two peripheral sets (-F and -M) to allow nerd deployments to be customized to customer needs" | 14:47 |
| soul-d | no was just lookign how to order a hot inteligent female :P | 14:48 |
| azonenberg | There's no "ordering info" section at the moment | 14:48 |
| soul-d | withc good unclothed ratings | 14:48 |
| azonenberg | oh, just got a hilarious idea | 14:48 |
| azonenberg | for "ordering information" suggest several resellers | 14:48 |
| azonenberg | aka dating sites :P | 14:48 |
| soul-d | :) they could be obviously fake though but yeah somthing along that lines | 14:50 |
| soul-d | and about male / female interaction problems | 14:50 |
| azonenberg | i might add something to that effect | 14:50 |
| azonenberg | I also want a lot more timing characteristics | 14:50 |
| soul-d | warnings it might not be compatible | 14:50 |
| azonenberg | for example "CLK_ALARM to CLK_BRAIN stable" | 14:51 |
| azonenberg | how does page 5 look? | 14:52 |
| azonenberg | (redownload) | 14:52 |
| soul-d | make it bit more obscure like * unfortunaly due to long manufacturing process direct ordering is unavailable at this point in time | 14:56 |
| soul-d | about the brain stable part you might want to include people that realy need a cup of coffie or somthing to stabalize ofcourse you would write the chemical forumla of coffee :P | 15:02 |
| soul-d | some people * | 15:02 |
| azonenberg | soul-d: how about just listing a 9-month lead time? :P | 15:03 |
| soul-d | well entire proccess is kinda vurnable | 15:03 |
| soul-d | so no guarantue's there | 15:04 |
| azonenberg | maybe mention "yield rates not guaranteed" or something | 15:04 |
| soul-d | but be sure to include that the F version can cause erroneous behavior in the M kind | 15:07 |
| azonenberg | lol | 15:09 |
| azonenberg | crosstalk? | 15:09 |
| soul-d | either far end crosstalk or alien crosstalk one would asume | 15:11 |
| soul-d | :P | 15:11 |
| azonenberg | Lol | 15:11 |
| soul-d | anyhow need to do some grocery shopping bbl | 15:13 |
| lekernel | azonenberg: there might be a MBE workshop at EHSM. still not coming? :) | 18:46 |
| lekernel | Sync: and you can add MBE workshops to things C3 doesn't do | 18:48 |
| Sync | I do MBE for a living :P | 20:05 |
| Sync | but it is bad timing, I just finalized everything for c3 last week | 20:05 |
| azonenberg | lekernel: as in molecular beam epitaxy? | 21:28 |
| azonenberg | and yeah, i'm too busy :( :( :( | 21:28 |
| lekernel | yes, as in molecular beam epitaxy | 21:30 |
| lekernel | there will also be a DIY vacuum chamber + evaporator | 21:31 |
| lekernel | (from different people) | 21:31 |
| Sync | lekernel: you should do that as part of the c3 :P | 21:31 |
| Sync | the cch is huge | 21:31 |
| lekernel | Sync: the space would have cost 14k euro | 21:32 |
| lekernel | we're running the complete conference on half that sum | 21:32 |
| Sync | so what? 14k is not that much | 21:33 |
| lekernel | Sync: you pay it then? :) | 21:33 |
| Sync | I could, yes | 21:33 |
| lekernel | well, maybe you should offer azonenberg two turbopumps instead | 21:35 |
| azonenberg | lol | 21:35 |
| Sync | it should have been possible to integrate that event into c3, the new rooms certainly make that possible | 21:35 |
| lekernel | it's a better use of that money than fattening real estate managers | 21:35 |
| lekernel | if we paid 14kE, yes, it would have been possible | 21:36 |
| lekernel | we actually discussed this | 21:36 |
| lekernel | also I didn't like the terms "integrate" and "subconference" which kept popping up (and they just did) | 21:37 |
| Sync | what is the problem with them? | 21:37 |
| Sync | it seems to have gone by me, I actually read some of the orga lists and did not see anything like that | 21:40 |
| Sync | it's just that I find it sad that there is a segregation (worse now because of the different cities) | 21:44 |
| lekernel | there is a "segregation" anyway (hw talks at c3 are pretty much a half-hearted "oh, cool..." type of thing) so I only care that much about the physical one | 22:15 |
| lekernel | also if 3 hours of train are enough to demotivate you, well... | 22:16 |
| lekernel | finally - we announced it before, and c3 used to be in berlin, so tell them, not me | 22:16 |
| Sync | haha. you cannot pull the we announced it before card. | 22:18 |
| Sync | your event does not exist for over a decade at the same date | 22:19 |
| Sync | and no, the 3h ride does not demotivate me, but getting a place to sleep in two cities does | 22:21 |
| lekernel | at the same date...in berlin | 22:21 |
| lekernel | besides I tend to judge events by their content, not how long they have been around | 22:22 |
| Sync | it was pretty clear that it would not be in berlin the next year | 22:22 |
| Sync | I do not go to events because of their content, but because I want to meet people I only get to know over the interweb | 22:23 |
| lekernel | no it wasn't clear until a few days before the announcement, and I only care that much about running after c3 people for the latest rumors (see "segregation" argument) | 22:25 |
| Sync | then you have the wrong sources | 22:25 |
| Sync | it was pretty clear that it would not be in berlin in feburary | 22:26 |
| lekernel | source is cpunkt | 22:27 |
| Sync | idk, just scrolled through my mails again | 22:31 |
| Sync | it was decided in march that berlin was very unlikely | 22:31 |
| lekernel | either way we wouldn't have spent 14kE on a room in hamburg (or anywhere else) | 22:33 |
| lekernel | there is plenty of free space in unis at those dates | 22:33 |
| Sync | I don't know how many people attend, but with around 200 you would have broken even | 22:37 |
| lekernel | I'd rather spend it on things that C3 doesn't do, like quantum physics workshops and such | 22:37 |
| Sync | you could hold them there | 22:38 |
| Sync | I bet a lot would be interested | 22:39 |
| lekernel | my experience shows otherwise | 22:39 |
| lekernel | sorry | 22:39 |
| Sync | aha | 22:41 |
| lekernel | so I'd rather solve the problem at a conference level than at a workshop level | 22:42 |
| Sync | I'm not so sure if that is the right way to do it | 22:43 |
| Sync | from what I see there is a lot in common with both venues | 22:44 |
| lekernel | look closer :) most of those things aren't actually popular at c3 | 22:46 |
| lekernel | also EHSM is guaranteed free of BS like conspiracy theories. C3 provably isn't. | 22:49 |
| Sync | conspiracy is fun! | 22:49 |
| Sync | bah fuck, I'd like to discuss that with you in persona, maybe I can manage to hit on 29th | 22:57 |
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