| --- Fri Dec 2 2011 | 00:00 | |
| reportingsjr | azonenberg: what scope do you have? | 05:50 |
|---|---|---|
| azonenberg | Scope, singular | 05:50 |
| azonenberg | that implies i only have one | 05:50 |
| reportingsjr | heh | 05:50 |
| azonenberg | I have three | 05:50 |
| reportingsjr | DSO and analog? | 05:50 |
| azonenberg | Oh, i thought you meant microscope :p | 05:50 |
| reportingsjr | what are they all? | 05:50 |
| reportingsjr | oh, sorry | 05:51 |
| reportingsjr | oscilloscope, haha | 05:51 |
| azonenberg | My oscilloscope is a 100mhz Rigol mixed signal | 05:51 |
| reportingsjr | DS1025E? | 05:51 |
| azonenberg | Might be, not in the lab atm | 05:53 |
| azonenberg | drawing up vacuum system schematics | 05:53 |
| reportingsjr | interesting.. | 05:53 |
| reportingsjr | for what? :P | 05:53 |
| azonenberg | Eventually? Sputtering and evapo ;) | 05:53 |
| reportingsjr | cool, cool | 05:54 |
| horizontally | sputtering, very cool | 07:45 |
| horizontally | evaporation... why is that useful? | 07:45 |
| horizontally | like if you have sputtering, what's the advantage of evaporating something | 07:45 |
| horizontally | less substrate damage? | 07:46 |
| bart416 | azonenberg, I found the flaw in designspark | 13:23 |
| bart416 | It's autorouter sucks even more than eagle's :( | 13:23 |
| bart416 | why is it only cadence has managed to get autorouting down to a reliable point? | 13:24 |
| bart416 | And it can only route in rectangles :( | 13:26 |
| soul-d | i like how eagle has it so that you can't undo autoroute :) | 13:35 |
| reportingsjr | you're much better off routing everything by hand with eagle | 13:36 |
| reportingsjr | no point in even attempting to autoroute most of the times | 13:36 |
| bart416 | I mean honnestly there are only 3-4 programs that are worth using to design PCBs | 13:43 |
| bart416 | OrCAD/Allegro, Altium, ADS and some prehistoric predecessor of altium | 13:44 |
| bart416 | OrCAD is the best on average | 13:46 |
| bart416 | Altium has the nicest capture engine | 13:46 |
| bart416 | And ADS the best simulation engine | 13:46 |
| bart416 | You can sort of half assed combine allegro and ads | 13:46 |
| bart416 | But then you lose some of the functionality of ADS (like tuning filters and oscillators) | 13:46 |
| bart416 | But I swear the combination of those two has saved me days of work already | 13:47 |
| bart416 | and the opensource pcb software is a joke when it comes to routing | 13:48 |
| bart416 | Another side bonus of ADS is that it can interface with quite a lot of measurement equipment or at the very least simulate it | 13:53 |
| horizontally | wow bart416's rant ~5 hours ago was totally useful to me | 18:46 |
| horizontally | i don't know much about electrical CAD | 18:46 |
| bart416 | no no no, that was not a rant | 18:53 |
| bart416 | If I was to rant I'd spend a few pages describing how much eagle sucks :p | 18:54 |
| horizontally | what is it good for? | 18:54 |
| horizontally | i'd love to hear that rant too | 18:54 |
| bart416 | Eagle is good for anything? | 18:54 |
| bart416 | If it is, I haven't found a use for it yet. | 18:54 |
| bart416 | Except if you consider annoying hobbyists and EE students good that is. | 18:55 |
| bart416 | It's potentially the most destructive piece of software ever written. | 18:55 |
| bart416 | It has caused more people to quit hobby electronics than any other piece of software ever before it | 18:55 |
| bart416 | It's worthless for BGAs | 18:55 |
| bart416 | Not to mention it has loads of obscure bugs (causing files to become corrupt and useless as well). | 18:56 |
| bart416 | And possibly the worst interface one could imagine for CAD software | 18:56 |
| horizontally | i was recommended it and i didn't like it the first time i saw it | 18:56 |
| horizontally | i liked orcad for schematic capture and simulation, but that's the only one that seemed to work fluidly | 18:57 |
| bart416 | I swear the 1980s CAD software will outdo it in user friendlyness | 18:57 |
| bart416 | Well, altium and ads are far more complicated | 18:57 |
| bart416 | Cause they're loaded with features that are too complicated to describe in a single sentence :S | 18:57 |
| bart416 | Like ADS can actually succesfully model noise and crosstalk on your PCB due to components (based on their internal structure, pcb material, etc...) | 18:58 |
| bart416 | If you then make the actual board and hook it up to test equipment you'll get pretty much the same characteristics + the distinctive 50/60 Hz obviously | 18:59 |
| bart416 | It'll also calculate the characteristics of any antenna you throw at it given you model it correctly. | 18:59 |
| horizontally | wow | 18:59 |
| bart416 | Altium shines in embedded systems design | 19:00 |
| bart416 | And as such has a lot of features related to that, but many of them are hidden as well | 19:00 |
| bart416 | Both of those are not intended for unexperienced users | 19:01 |
| bart416 | They have too much features and options | 19:01 |
| bart416 | And their simulation engines are only as good as the people using them | 19:01 |
| bart416 | Cause they need to be configured correctly | 19:01 |
| bart416 | cadence's pspice on the other hand is far more forgiving | 19:02 |
| bart416 | But slower and harder to link to other things | 19:02 |
| bart416 | Like getting pspice and cray lc to work together is near impossible | 19:02 |
| horizontally | /lastlog -file bart416scomparisonofeCAD.log | 19:25 |
| bart416 | just use allegro :P | 19:27 |
| bart416 | It's generally the best tool, and it doesn't sound like a geekish program so people won't laugh at you if they see a link to it on your desktop | 19:28 |
| azonenberg | I most definitely do not like eagle, it is indeed worthless | 19:45 |
| azonenberg | I just cant afford the good ones | 19:45 |
| azonenberg | i'm currently using expresspcb and foolingg around with geda and kicad | 19:45 |
| azonenberg | but not ready to commit to either yet | 19:46 |
| horizontally | what do you think about torrents? | 19:47 |
| horizontally | because... i have the full orcad 16.3 | 19:47 |
| azonenberg | I need to keep my setup legal, i'm on enough watchlists already | 19:48 |
| azonenberg | last thing i need is to get slapped with a copyright complaint on top :p | 19:49 |
| horizontally | watchlists, why? | 19:49 |
| azonenberg | I'm half joking, but i know some interesting people and do some interesting things | 19:49 |
| horizontally | also, as long as you're at a university, you could probably get a student license | 19:49 |
| azonenberg | If i'm not on at least a couple, [A-Z]{3} aren't doing their job well :p | 19:50 |
| horizontally | lol understatement of the year | 19:50 |
| horizontally | the KKK is after you? | 19:50 |
| azonenberg | I was thinking more along the lines of 3-letter agencies | 19:50 |
| horizontally | sure | 19:51 |
| horizontally | NRA | 19:51 |
| azonenberg | More like NSA/FBI/CIA :p | 19:51 |
| horizontally | ABC, CBS, NBC, TBS | 19:51 |
| horizontally | oh | 19:51 |
| horizontally | KFC | 19:51 |
| horizontally | hahaha | 19:51 |
| azonenberg | If KFC is doing background checks on me, I wonder what my future employment prospects are :p | 19:52 |
| azonenberg | But seriously, the question is not if some of these places have files on me | 19:54 |
| azonenberg | it's how big those files are | 19:54 |
| azonenberg | and, more to the point, how much incorrect info is in them | 19:54 |
| bart416 | heh | 19:59 |
| bart416 | talking to me isn't going to improve how big those files are azonenberg :P | 20:00 |
| azonenberg | bart416: I know :p | 20:00 |
| azonenberg | But if they knew the whole truth i'd probably be getting job offers | 20:00 |
| bart416 | lol | 20:00 |
| azonenberg | Half-truths, on the other hand, might lead to knocks on the door at 0400 :p | 20:00 |
| bart416 | but yeah, can't you use a license from your university's EE department? | 20:00 |
| azonenberg | I havent looked into it because i havent needed to make a really complex board yet | 20:00 |
| azonenberg | That will change in the near future | 20:01 |
| bart416 | We can checkout orcad licenses at home from the university's licensing server | 20:01 |
| bart416 | You just need to keep a vpn client up | 20:01 |
| Action: azonenberg runs his own VPN to campus | 20:01 | |
| azonenberg | And right now my really hardcore high-speed design is done on FPGAs | 20:01 |
| azonenberg | And i'm using a premade dev board | 20:01 |
| azonenberg | Once i get my SoC to the point that i'm ready to design a custom board for it, things will start getting fun | 20:01 |
| azonenberg | Because that will involve doing routing of a 16x16 full-grid BGA | 20:02 |
| azonenberg | several-hundred-Mbps LVDS pairs | 20:03 |
| azonenberg | and more | 20:03 |
| bart416 | orcad is about the only program that can handle that... | 20:03 |
| azonenberg | I know :p | 20:03 |
| bart416 | altium can as well heh | 20:03 |
| azonenberg | Yep | 20:04 |
| azonenberg | Those are the ones i was looking at | 20:04 |
| azonenberg | And i'm talking about being able to route a 16 bit wide DDR2 SDRAM bus | 20:04 |
| azonenberg | including all of the differential pairs going there etc | 20:04 |
| azonenberg | then LVDS out to a high speed IO connector | 20:04 |
| bart416 | yeah, you need orcad + ads :P | 20:04 |
| azonenberg | lol | 20:06 |
| azonenberg | Maybe this explains why more hobbyists dont do really cool stuff like this? | 20:06 |
| bart416 | yeah, it's hard | 20:07 |
| bart416 | I mean, we can afford it cause we have access to university/college labs | 20:07 |
| bart416 | But for a regular hobbyist it's near impossible to gather the resources to do any cool project | 20:08 |
| bart416 | Same if you buy parts | 20:09 |
| bart416 | You forget one part | 20:09 |
| bart416 | And you have to either pay insane shipping or wait weeks to get it | 20:10 |
| bart416 | don't know about you but I just throw it in the lab's orders then, they get delivered there daily so you have it the next day | 20:10 |
| azonenberg | I actually buy parts | 20:12 |
| azonenberg | But i have a... large... parts order ready to go out soon | 20:12 |
| azonenberg | like on the order of $500 from digikey | 20:13 |
| azonenberg | everything from LEDs and desoldering braid to FPGAs and flash | 20:13 |
| bart416 | order it through your university azonenberg | 20:13 |
| bart416 | You get discount + fast shipping | 20:13 |
| azonenberg | bart416: Not worth the trouble | 20:13 |
| bart416 | heh? | 20:13 |
| bart416 | farnell actually advises students to do that here :S | 20:14 |
| azonenberg | its harder here | 20:14 |
| azonenberg | they had trouble with some embezzling a few years ago and have tightened up the processes significantly | 20:14 |
| azonenberg | clubs cant even make purchases directly anymore | 20:14 |
| azonenberg | they have to jump through so many hoops | 20:14 |
| bart416 | We have to put the money up for it first | 20:15 |
| bart416 | They don't care what we use it for | 20:15 |
| azonenberg | Yeah, they dont like doing that here | 20:15 |
| azonenberg | they just say, buy it yourself | 20:15 |
| horizontally | damn | 20:16 |
| horizontally | azonenberg is so many kinds of awesome | 20:16 |
| azonenberg | lol | 20:17 |
| azonenberg | I suppose it's progress if you think that | 20:17 |
| azonenberg | Now i just have to convince my doctoral committee, future employer, and future gf :p | 20:17 |
| azonenberg | whoever those last two turn out to be | 20:17 |
| horizontally | how do you not have a girlfriend dude? | 20:26 |
| azonenberg | horizontally: Right now? Lack of time | 20:29 |
| azonenberg | I'd get pulled into a threesome with her and my work | 20:29 |
| azonenberg | And the work would win out | 20:29 |
| azonenberg | Or, worse yet, it wouldnt | 20:29 |
| azonenberg | and i'd lose my edge | 20:29 |
| horizontally | well when is it going to end dude? | 20:29 |
| azonenberg | I need to live my work to stay sharp | 20:29 |
| horizontally | like in a few years you're going to start looking like shit no matter what you look like now | 20:30 |
| horizontally | hair will start falling out. the gut will poke out | 20:30 |
| azonenberg | lol | 20:30 |
| horizontally | you can always study your ass off once you're butt ugly | 20:30 |
| azonenberg | I have a PhD to finish first :p | 20:30 |
| horizontally | dude... you may end up regretting that | 20:31 |
| horizontally | i know successful PhDs who have girlfriends | 20:31 |
| horizontally | it takes a lot of work to find what you want | 20:31 |
| horizontally | you don't want to lose your edge there either | 20:31 |
| azonenberg | i'm not saying i wont find someone eventually | 20:31 |
| azonenberg | Simply that its not worth the time just yet | 20:31 |
| horizontally | do you know what you're looking for? | 20:31 |
| azonenberg | I havent had the time to think about it whatsoever | 20:32 |
| horizontally | oh wow | 20:32 |
| azonenberg | heck, i'm weeks behind on exam grading despite working every waking hour | 20:32 |
| horizontally | what the hell | 20:32 |
| azonenberg | i have a grant proposal thats 3 pages long and needs to be 15 | 20:32 |
| azonenberg | It's all TDMA | 20:32 |
| horizontally | i don't know dude. no one else really cares about your life but you. your PIs are going to encourage you to work harder | 20:33 |
| azonenberg | now that assignmments arent piling up anymore the FIFOs are emptying | 20:33 |
| horizontally | jesus, i hope you don't talk like this in real life | 20:33 |
| azonenberg | Once the semester ends i'll have a whole month+ of winter break to relax | 20:33 |
| azonenberg | Meaning work on my CPU design, teach myself VHDL | 20:33 |
| horizontally | you know what's terrifying? i know friends getting married... at like 22/23 | 20:33 |
| azonenberg | and do some QFN stuff | 20:33 |
| azonenberg | Yeah, i know some of those types | 20:33 |
| horizontally | the availability pool starts dropping off | 20:34 |
| horizontally | most of them right now are "can't have sex before marriage" christians | 20:34 |
| horizontally | i'm super picky and i'm getting bored of my gf of 2 years. i want to move on while i can, but a part of me is worried that it'll be hard to find another one | 20:34 |
| azonenberg | Lol... Dont forget the psychopaths | 20:35 |
| azonenberg | Especially at engineering schools there are the cute ones who excel at manipulating guys and bending them to their will | 20:35 |
| azonenberg | "help me with this", "I dont understand that", "go buy me this" | 20:35 |
| azonenberg | i got on the radar of one of them freshman year and probably wont escape until she graduates this year | 20:36 |
| horizontally | wow dude, grow a pair | 20:36 |
| azonenberg | I never said i gave in ;p | 20:36 |
| horizontally | in fact, no don't. you probably have a laboratory setup for that | 20:36 |
| azonenberg | Just that she tries | 20:36 |
| azonenberg | She has a bf but still hits on other guys all the time if she thinks she'll be able to convince them to do something of use | 20:37 |
| horizontally | i hate those | 20:37 |
| azonenberg | I've been largely immune except for once, when the problem she posed was interesting enough from a technical perspective i forgot who was asking it | 20:37 |
| azonenberg | Big mistake :p | 20:37 |
| horizontally | hahaha | 20:37 |
| azonenberg | Nerd snpied | 20:37 |
| horizontally | mine is loyal and sweet, but i'm getting too used to her. it's boring now. | 20:37 |
| azonenberg | This one is not my gf and never will be, i have no interest in her and she knows it | 20:38 |
| horizontally | cool, you do have self-worth | 20:38 |
| azonenberg | But she still tries because i have resources that are of use to her ;p | 20:38 |
| azonenberg | Not that she's interested in me, she just wants to pick my brain | 20:38 |
| azonenberg | Except for the time she jumped on me in the cafeteria line and gave me a bear hug last week (while standing next to a guy that she was, i think, dating at the time) i havent seen her in months | 20:39 |
| azonenberg | Which worries me | 20:39 |
| azonenberg | It means she's plotting something :p | 20:39 |
| azonenberg | Oh well, only one more semester of that lol | 20:39 |
| azonenberg | And lol, of course if have self worth | 20:40 |
| horizontally | i don't know dude. i know smart dudes who feel totally worthless near hot chicks | 20:41 |
| azonenberg | Worthless? No. Uninterested? Sometimes | 20:41 |
| azonenberg | I dont like boring people | 20:42 |
| horizontally | yeah i get that | 20:42 |
| horizontally | you know though, models are some of the most interesting chicks i've met | 20:42 |
| horizontally | they know they're hot | 20:42 |
| horizontally | so they focus on something interesting | 20:42 |
| horizontally | like being smart or having traveled the world or whatever | 20:42 |
| azonenberg | Show me even *one* who does VLSI design in her spare time | 20:43 |
| azonenberg | Good luck | 20:43 |
| horizontally | yeah maybe not, but i can show you a few who picked up at least 5 different languages fluently | 20:43 |
| bart416 | I know one that does asic design for a living | 20:43 |
| bart416 | does that count? | 20:43 |
| azonenberg | bart416: We're discussing people whos primary line of work is modeling | 20:44 |
| bart416 | ah ok :P | 20:44 |
| azonenberg | And my claim is, none of them have any really good tech skills or they'd be doing that instead | 20:44 |
| bart416 | well, she isn't bad looking though :P | 20:44 |
| horizontally | so you want someone who is like a clone of you but with boobs? | 20:44 |
| azonenberg | horizontally: Clone? No. But a cute lab assistant would be nice :p | 20:44 |
| azonenberg | At least to the point that i could bounce algorithm design ideas off | 20:45 |
| horizontally | what if she was into a different field of science than you? | 20:45 |
| horizontally | i know a lot of hot bio girls | 20:46 |
| azonenberg | I do too, and depending on interests that might work out... the big thing right now is lack of time | 20:46 |
| horizontally | they're socially well adjusted and know stuff. they've got that confident, calm tone of speaking that can be very attractive | 20:46 |
| azonenberg | Which is why i havent really looked much :p | 20:46 |
| horizontally | well that'll always be the limiting factor | 20:46 |
| bart416 | make time :P | 20:47 |
| horizontally | especially as you get into your mid to late 20s, then the pool of available women drops a lot more | 20:47 |
| azonenberg | bart416: I was considering it after the craziness of exams is over | 20:47 |
| azonenberg | But of course i fully expect to get caught up in multi-10-Gbps switch fabric design then :p | 20:48 |
| azonenberg | Because i enjoy it too much to stop | 20:48 |
| horizontally | can you imagine yourself getting bored with this all down the line? | 20:48 |
| horizontally | like 5 years from now? | 20:48 |
| horizontally | tech will always be cool no doubt | 20:48 |
| azonenberg | After almost 12 years? Fat chance | 20:48 |
| azonenberg | I've changed focuses slowly, following a roughly sinusoidal pattern from pure hardware to pure software | 20:49 |
| azonenberg | and now right on the edge | 20:49 |
| azonenberg | But that's just my constant desire for new knowledge, never being content to stand still | 20:49 |
| horizontally | sure that's understandable | 20:49 |
| bart416 | horizontally, azonenberg is like an over dampened oscillator :p | 20:49 |
| azonenberg | bart416: More like an LFO | 20:50 |
| azonenberg | With a period of ~10 years | 20:50 |
| azonenberg | and an amplitude of... how do you measure difference between fields of engineering? :p | 20:50 |
| horizontally | i actually do know one model who accidentally made cadmium selenide photovoltaic nanowires in her spare time | 20:50 |
| bart416 | also according to adobe reader 125 is smaller than 101% | 20:50 |
| azonenberg | horizontally: accidentally? | 20:50 |
| horizontally | of course, she was in her boyfriend's lab | 20:50 |
| horizontally | but he didn't give her any instructions | 20:50 |
| horizontally | she just kind of played with stuff | 20:50 |
| azonenberg | meaning, pouring random stuff together not knowing what it was? | 20:50 |
| azonenberg | Or was that the goal of the experiment | 20:50 |
| horizontally | that was somewhat the goal of the experiment | 20:51 |
| azonenberg | Well my first requirement would definitely be somebody who is at least somewhat comfortable in a lab | 20:51 |
| azonenberg | I have a live-in lab and if you dont like it then better leave now ;p | 20:52 |
| azonenberg | That alone eliminates a lot of people | 20:52 |
| horizontally | she wants to go into international relations as a lawyer. she had thought out why she wanted to do what she wanted to do | 20:52 |
| azonenberg | So how does nanotech come out? | 20:52 |
| horizontally | she's in a cool program with penn state where she can basically travel the world while taking classes | 20:52 |
| horizontally | her boyfriend | 20:52 |
| horizontally | he did engineering physics | 20:53 |
| azonenberg | Oh, so its not at all her field | 20:53 |
| horizontally | well she was a model for 5 years | 20:53 |
| horizontally | but like would you prefer brains over beauty? like an ugly smart chick? | 20:53 |
| horizontally | you'd be cool with that? | 20:54 |
| azonenberg | Some of both but more on the brains | 20:54 |
| azonenberg | Finding both is not easy :p | 20:54 |
| horizontally | yeah i agree | 20:54 |
| azonenberg | And the conclusion is that its not worth the time | 20:54 |
| azonenberg | as of last time i re-evaluated priorities | 20:54 |
| horizontally | but think of the opportunity costs | 20:54 |
| horizontally | every day that goes by, the worth does go up | 20:54 |
| horizontally | until it precipitously drops and you're stuck with widows and DONOTWANTs | 20:55 |
| azonenberg | Maybe I'll end up just being married to my work | 20:55 |
| azonenberg | It's worked for 21 years | 20:55 |
| horizontally | the past isn't a good indicator of the next 10 years at least | 20:56 |
| azonenberg | I dont care about 10 years, i care about 2-5 | 20:57 |
| azonenberg | And especially the 6 month time frame, getting my phd work off the ground | 20:57 |
| horizontally | hmm, so you'll be (23 or 24) or (26 or 27) when you're out? | 20:57 |
| azonenberg | Probably more othe latter | 20:57 |
| azonenberg | But i'm mostly talking about the near field | 20:57 |
| azonenberg | For example i'll have more time to think about other things when not TAing | 20:58 |
| horizontally | i do agree that girls do change between 21 and 25 | 20:58 |
| azonenberg | Which is contingent on me getting external funding | 20:58 |
| horizontally | i can see that | 20:58 |
| azonenberg | I have my priorities, and while a mate is on there somewhere | 20:59 |
| horizontally | but especially near the end of your PhD most of the good ones are in serious, committed long term relationships | 20:59 |
| azonenberg | It's far from top right now | 20:59 |
| horizontally | you also want to have experience though | 20:59 |
| horizontally | otherwise, choosing a new one will be difficult | 20:59 |
| azonenberg | Yes, but its not something i can afford to spend time on now | 20:59 |
| horizontally | and maybe by then you might find one you like, but your inexperience might turn her off | 20:59 |
| azonenberg | Sure, domestication of H. Sapiens is a useful skill to have | 21:00 |
| horizontally | maybe you can if you choose to spend some time on it | 21:00 |
| horizontally | like you spend time on irc | 21:00 |
| horizontally | you could not do that | 21:00 |
| azonenberg | lol | 21:00 |
| horizontally | you're not 100% efficient | 21:00 |
| azonenberg | No, but pretty close | 21:00 |
| horizontally | i don't know why i'm telling you this. i stand to lose a lot from you not being around | 21:00 |
| azonenberg | I like to think of my brain as a barrel processor | 21:00 |
| azonenberg | Fine grained multithreading with no overhead | 21:00 |
| horizontally | so don't date any one ever please. just stay here and help people :) | 21:00 |
| azonenberg | Its how i maintain productivity despite a short attention span | 21:01 |
| azonenberg | context switching constantly | 21:01 |
| horizontally | i think you could definitely get a girl who likes sort of dorky nerdy sorts | 21:01 |
| azonenberg | Oh, they do exist | 21:01 |
| azonenberg | The last one i met was cute and interesting and i was actually starting to like her | 21:01 |
| horizontally | but where would you find them? where would you look? | 21:01 |
| azonenberg | Then she dropped out and moved halfway across the county :p | 21:02 |
| azonenberg | On zero notice | 21:02 |
| horizontally | that was a sign! | 21:02 |
| horizontally | like when they invite you to their place | 21:02 |
| azonenberg | To do more background checking in the future? :P | 21:02 |
| azonenberg | So I would have noticed she was getting ready to run away from her rather unpleasant parents? | 21:02 |
| horizontally | oh damn | 21:03 |
| horizontally | so you fall for the crazy ones | 21:03 |
| azonenberg | She was actually somewhat normal by comparison | 21:03 |
| horizontally | to whom? don't say you | 21:03 |
| azonenberg | Well ok, normal compared to me | 21:03 |
| horizontally | hahahaha | 21:03 |
| azonenberg | I suppose your average college girl doesnt ask you over her dorm to chat about black holes and quantum physics | 21:04 |
| azonenberg | But thats exactly what happened the last time i saw her :p | 21:04 |
| horizontally | oh that one | 21:04 |
| horizontally | yeah i remember you telling me about her | 21:04 |
| azonenberg | Yeah | 21:04 |
| azonenberg | But average people are boring | 21:04 |
| horizontally | she was hoping that you'd talk about superposition | 21:05 |
| azonenberg | And the more ``interesting" ones are hard to find | 21:05 |
| azonenberg | And lol | 21:05 |
| horizontally | but instead you kept talking about ground state to higher energy state transitions | 21:05 |
| horizontally | jesus i'm turning into you | 21:05 |
| azonenberg | There were some NSFW jokes about MOSFETs i think | 21:05 |
| azonenberg | But that was it | 21:05 |
| azonenberg | and lol, actually | 21:06 |
| horizontally | what about if you found one that was really curious, but just didn't know stuff | 21:06 |
| horizontally | like had potential? | 21:06 |
| azonenberg | we were talking about how to model the campus shuttle buses | 21:06 |
| azonenberg | as parallel buses | 21:06 |
| azonenberg | and discussing whether the school should hire differential drivers to reduce problem | 21:06 |
| azonenberg | But that they were probably too cheap to pay someone who has the skills to drive two vehicles making out-of-phase turns simultaneously | 21:06 |
| azonenberg | whenever one lane changes left the other goes right etc :p | 21:07 |
| azonenberg | And it'd be decided on a case-by-case basis | 21:07 |
| azonenberg | but finding someone who's interested in hardcore technical stuff who also likes to drop it all and go climb mountains on the weekend is not easy | 21:08 |
| Action: azonenberg remembers the gear locker is only open for another two hours and he needs to sign out an ice axe | 21:08 | |
| berndj | do you want to match the trace length for campus shuttles too? | 21:46 |
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